John Henry Spooner declared guilty first degree murder of 13 year Darius Simmons

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    Jul 19, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    This case has been going on since May 2012 where 76 year old John Spooner shot his neighbor 13 year old Darius Simmons with a gunshot to his chest.

    The verdict was decided today not too long ago after the jury viewed footage that came from Spooner's surveliance camera of him approaching the young man outside and intentionally shooting him.



    Simmons mother Patricia testified in court that Spooner accused her son of burglarizing his home, stealing several weapons. She said Spooner told Simmons he'd teach him a lesson before firing the fatal shot.


    The jury is now trying to figure out if Spooner meant to kill Darius which i strongly believe that he did or if he was mentally unstable.

    This case is eerily similar to the Trayvon Martin case with Zimmerman being a free man only this time Spooner has been charged with a crime and declared guilty


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    Jul 19, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    brokebackpoundin saidshows you the "the right for states to govern themselves" works. what is acceptable in one state is entirely different in another. you have a better chance getting away with murder down in florida than you do in wisconsin. that can be a good or a bad thing depending on how you look @ it.


    I agree


  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 19, 2013 11:24 PM GMT
    Fortunately that was caught on video and the circumstances are entirely different. No where in this country are you allowed to walk outside home wave a gun around threating to shoot people. I understand what you are getting at, but you a beating a dead horse. The evidence in Florida shows that Z was defending himself. It is obvious in this video that the old man was not defending himself. Stop trying to undermine laws that everyone has to live by. What happened in Florida is truly unfortunate, but the laws are written to protect everyone. And unless you were there all you are doing is bringing up false accusations which is a sin.
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    Jul 20, 2013 1:20 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidFortunately that was caught on video and the circumstances are entirely different. No where in this country are you allowed to walk outside home wave a gun around threating to shoot people. I understand what you are getting at, but you a beating a dead horse. The evidence in Florida shows that Z was defending himself. It is obvious in this video that the old man was not defending himself. Stop trying to undermine laws that everyone has to live by. What happened in Florida is truly unfortunate, but the laws are written to protect everyone. And unless you were there all you are doing is bringing up false accusations which is a sin.

    I don't think that people are trying to undermine the laws. However I do believe that stand your ground laws are critically flawed. They lessen the power of law enforcement and empower people to shoot first and ask questions later. Many times, had guns not been involved, those situations might not even result in death. People are too proud and egotistical to simply flee from perceived danger. The result is that individuals rely on guns instead of traditional ways of diffusing the situation. In my opinion the law is so ambiguous as to what an eminent threat to your life is. Therefor people are given full autonomy in deciding when to take another person's life. Deaths have not gone down with stand your ground laws, so why keep such senseless, violent laws in place?
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 20, 2013 4:52 AM GMT
    I believe the facts from the case are that:

    a call from the home owner in front of where the incident occurred who was witnessing the incident was played in court and you could hear screaming then you heard a shot.

    Zimmerman had a cut on the back of his head which he claims he got when Martin pounded his head against the side walk (if they got there some other way, there is no proof).

    Zimmerman had a broken nose and two black from being punched in the face.

    There was no mention (that I know of) that Martin had any other wounds other than the gunshot wound he died from and broken skin on his knuckles.

    The girl/friend Martin was talking to on the phone said there was some "creepy ass-cracker" (or 'creepy-ass cracker', either way you look at it, it's bad, one is homophobic, the other is racist) following him.

    Trayvon was 5'11" and 158 pounds
    Zimmerman was 5'6", 185 pounds

    In my mind a 5'11" (my height in shoes) can easily overtake a 5'6" fat guy.

    Zimmerman said Trayvon saw the gun in his holster and said he was going to kill him.

    There is no proof of what Zimmerman claims was said or done other than the eye witness that call in and said that he for sure saw that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. So by this I can assume that Trayvon was pounding Zimmerman's head on the side walk.

    Even if Zimmerman had the gun in his hand the whole time he was being beaten, that would mean he held off from shooting it until he was tired of being beaten. And if he did not have the gun in his hand then it make sense to me that he reach behind himself and pulled it out and shot Trayvon to stop from being beaten.

    I know people said that Trayvon was the one screaming in the phone call, but others said Zimmerman was screaming (like a girl.) And to me, if Trayvon was on top pounding Zimmerman's head, it makes no sense that he would be screaming. Rather it makes more sense that Zimmerman was screaming because his head was being pounded against the side walk.


    So who exactly was standing his ground? The stand your ground law is a: "self-defense law that gives individuals the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves without any requirement to evade or retreat from a dangerous situation." To me it sounds like both of them were standing their ground.
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    Jul 20, 2013 7:03 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    I know people said that Trayvon was the one screaming in the phone call, but others said Zimmerman was screaming (like a girl.) And to me, if Trayvon was on top pounding Zimmerman's head, it makes no sense that he would be screaming. Rather it makes more sense that Zimmerman was screaming because his head was being pounded against the side walk.ke both of them were standing their ground.


    Bull fucking shit. I know for a fact Z-man started that whole thing, it was no self-defense.

    I grew up in Tampa, Florida and the surrounding neighborhoods. I can think of about 2 or 3 particular times where some crazy White guy stormed out of his house at me or my brothers, or the time i was visiting a friend in Miami and 1 of her neighbors yell out 'negro' (as in the spanish version) outside while I was visiting for no reason AT ALL but because it was SW Miami and you rarely ever see a Black person there. or 1 time I was riding home on my bike at night and a group of 5 or 6 dudes yelling the n word toward me like they were going to whip my ass or something. Never told ANYONE about it because I thought for the first time I was experiencing a hallucination. I just rode as fast as I fucking could and didn't look back.

    The truth will set you free...so don't believe that bullshit about self-defense. You don't know what it's like. I know what it's like because I lived it.You're just hearing shit on some fucking news channel. I don't even believe T.M. attacked that man first. You listen to his interrogation, he couldn't even tell the story straight. I bet when that mother fucker sleeps, TM terrorizes him like a Nightmare on Elm lol.

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    Jul 20, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    So who exactly was standing his ground? The stand your ground law is a: "self-defense law that gives individuals the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves without any requirement to evade or retreat from a dangerous situation." To me it sounds like both of them were standing their ground.


    Was this supposed to be a refute to what I said?
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    Jul 20, 2013 8:13 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    AMoonHawk said
    So who exactly was standing his ground? The stand your ground law is a: "self-defense law that gives individuals the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves without any requirement to evade or retreat from a dangerous situation." To me it sounds like both of them were standing their ground.


    Was this supposed to be a refute to what I said?

    I am stating nothing but the facts of the Zimmerman case, and so far I have not heard one single rebuttal that has been any statement of any facts of what happened that evening, only allegations of 'my past experience'. No one on here was there so we have to go by eye witness accounts and evidence that was presented at trial. We are not children or an ignorant public who base our judgements on ficticious, emotional claims. The laws were written and created to protect the innocent, as well as pass judgment on the guilty. If it is as a whole lot of people are baring false witness to, and George did intentionally kill Trayvon with malice in his heart, he will pay for his crime in time. And as for the rest, who were not there, they should stop baring false witness, or they too will pay for their sin in time. There is no one to say 'father forgive them for they know not what they do', because they know very well what they are doing.
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    Jul 20, 2013 11:00 AM GMT
    Defendant Spooner was found mentally competent by the jury in the second phase of his trial.

    "The same jury convicted 76-year-old John Henry Spooner on Wednesday of first-degree intentional homicide. That verdict led to a second phase of the trial in which jurors were asked to determine whether he was mentally ill at the time.They agreed Friday that he was sane when he killed 13-year-old Darius Simmons. It took just 15 minutes for the jury to come to a verdict after they began deliberations.

    Spooner now faces a mandatory life sentence."


    The trial judge doesn't have much option, except whether the life sentence will include the possibility of parole. It would seem unlikely that consideration for parole, if allowed, would come up before Spooner was already dead from natural causes, if not aggravated ones in prison.

    Sometimes it doesn't pay to be an angry old White man with a grudge and a gun. Hopefully some others like Spooner will get the message.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52522220/ns/local_news-milwaukee_wi/t/jury-finds-john-spooner-mentally-competent/#.UepsRBbwK1k
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    Jul 20, 2013 11:15 AM GMT
    Why use tax payers money to let this creep live out his final days in prison? He's 76 and closer to death (hopefully) just execute the bitch and be done w/ it.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 20, 2013 11:20 AM GMT
    I would guess the NRA would add their own spin to this crime by showing what "a loss" his weapons were and somehow how his 2nd amendment rights were infringed and thus he has every right as a gun owner to defend himself....

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    Jul 20, 2013 12:18 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI would guess the NRA would add their own spin to this crime by showing what "a loss" his weapons were and somehow how his 2nd amendment rights were infringed and thus he has every right as a gun owner to defend himself....

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    Spooner was his own worst enemy. His video surveillance tape is what really doomed him. Without it he might have created a Zimmerman defense, that the young Black he confronted became the aggressor and threatened him, a frail old man, forcing him to shoot an unarmed young man in self defense. It worked for Zimmerman, who is less than half Spooner's age and in good health, but who did present some injuries consistent with a struggle.

    Even the eye-witness testimony of the boy's mother might have been discounted by the jury as being biased, creating reasonable doubt. But the tape didn't lie. Plus Spooner's attitude on the witness stand was arrogant & defiant. And yet no stolen weapons were found in the boy's home or associated with him, no physical evidence whatsoever that the boy had done anything wrong, undermining Spooner's story.

    But I'm sure the NRA will twist this to their advantage somehow. Either to present this as a miscarriage of justice, an elderly man defending his property, or maybe assert that if the mother had been armed herself, or perhaps even the boy, the victim would have had a fighting chance in an old-fashioned Wild West shootout. Isn't that the NRA's goal, to arm everyone with almost no exceptions? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 20, 2013 3:49 PM GMT
    Hillie saidWhy use tax payers money to let this creep live out his final days in prison? He's 76 and closer to death (hopefully) just execute the bitch and be done w/ it.icon_rolleyes.gif

    I totally agree with execution of murders ... the person that was murdered, did not get to enjoy one more day of life, so why are murderers allowed to live another day, especially in a case like Spooner's where there is video evidence of the crime.