Prop 8/Mormon Center protest in Manahattan Wed. 11/12

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    Nov 09, 2008 11:43 AM GMT
    Tens of thousands of our brothers and sisters are in the streets in California and Salt Lake City and around the country protesting the votes banning same-sex marriage in California.

    Join them! Make your voices heard right here in New York City.

    We will tell the Mormon Church how we feel about its relentless campaign to condemn and control our lives. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
    was, by far, the biggest financer of California's heinous and hateful
    Proposition 8. The Mormon Church begged their members to donate money to Prop 8,
    pouring 20 million dollars into the campaign. And their attacks on us didn't start there and aren't
    about to end. They're plotting right now to bring their money and influence to bear against the LGBT community everywhere in this country, including trying to prevent marriage equality in New York.

    Join us in speaking out against Mormon hate! Stop them taking away your rights!

    Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008
    Time: 6:30pm - 8:00pm
    Location: New York Manhattan Mormon Temple
    Street: 125 Columbus Ave at 65th Street
    City/Town: New York, NY
  • GQjock

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    Nov 09, 2008 12:02 PM GMT
    Glad to see protests going on in other places
    We need to keep this injustice in the forefront of people's minds

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    Nov 09, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    Chat online with a mormon "missionary"

    Ask them why they're obsessed with homosexuality.
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    Nov 09, 2008 4:48 PM GMT
    Why do the Mormons have such a problem with gay marriage? Don't the Mormons believe in polygamy and yet they push for the "one man and one woman" form of marriage? Yes, having 3 wives sure proves the sanctity of marriage doesn't it!
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    Nov 09, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    gymguy2k saidWhy do the Mormons have such a problem with gay marriage? Don't the Mormons believe in polygamy and yet they push for the "one man and one woman" form of marriage? Yes, having 3 wives sure proves the sanctity of marriage doesn't it!


    as info, the mormons no longer officially believe in polygamy, or allow it in the LDS church. i think that ended early 20th century, but feel free to research for precise timing.

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    Nov 09, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
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    gymguy2k saidWhy do the Mormons have such a problem with gay marriage? Don't the Mormons believe in polygamy and yet they push for the "one man and one woman" form of marriage? Yes, having 3 wives sure proves the sanctity of marriage doesn't it!


    as info, the mormons no longer officially believe in polygamy, or allow it in the LDS church. i think that ended early 20th century, but feel free to research for precise timing.



    Thanks!
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    Nov 09, 2008 5:45 PM GMT
    The mormon's in Texas this past summer were polygamists. Not ex-communicated. Mormon.
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    Nov 09, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    bmchannel7 saidFolks, I think you have a bigger concern than the Mormons and you don't even know it. My guess is that most of you voted for Obama because you believe he will back or not get in the way of your desires or agenda. But Obama also happens to be African-American. And CNN - yes, your network and not FoxNews - happened to report Saturday night that Prop 8 passed in CA largely due to the fact that African-Americans voted overwhelmingly for it - something like 70% to 30%, if I recall correctly. So, if Obama backs gays in supporting gay marriage, he's likely going to alienate a larger faction of his supporters, the African-American voters in CA. My guess is he will stay out of it, but don't count on him to go to bat for you. Personally, maybe the stance should be that government is not involved in defining marriage at all - gay or straight - but only licensing civil unions (for tax purposes, etc.) Marriage, by many definitions, is a sacrament of religion, and government is supposed to stay out of religious matters (separation of church and state). So, then the irony is that the party that likes less government, and therefore helpful to this gay cause, is the Republican party. But, of course, it panders to the extreme right, so-called-Christian faction. Now, have any of you guys ever thought of getting behind the Libertarian movement? If you truly THINK about it, you might.


    marriage is by no definition a religious matter. religion needs to stay out of government not government out of religion.

    wish i could be there to kick some mormon ass, after they invite me to their sunday potluck dinner though.
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    Nov 09, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    But what about all your hate? You are no better than the Mormons, and you even attack other homosexuals who don't see things your way, or want what you want either. Sorry but I fail to see how you are any better!
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    Nov 09, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    McGay saidChat online with a mormon "missionary"

    Ask them why they're obsessed with homosexuality.


    They are not.....................You seem more obsessed with them. They are Americans too, who also have a vote.
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    Nov 09, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    McGay saidChat online with a mormon "missionary"

    Ask them why they're obsessed with homosexuality.


    They are not.....................You seem more obsessed with them. They are Americans too, who also have a vote.


    and tax exemption for some reason. they are one step away from scientologists.

    but christians are one step away from moronism (not a typo)


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    Nov 11, 2008 11:14 PM GMT
    Patticake, it's a question about Mormonism, not Moronism. When I ask about Moronism, feel free to chime in.

    Anyone else going to the NYC demo?
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    Nov 11, 2008 11:23 PM GMT
    Pattison saidBut what about all your hate? You are no better then the Mormons, and you even attack other homosexuals who don't see things your way, or want what you want either. Sorry but I fail to see how you are any better!


    Protesting is not hate. Unless the people protesting get violent, it's one of the more civilized ways we have of making our voice heard.

    Mormons may have a vote, but that doesn't mean they can to use that vote to take away the rights of others.
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    Nov 12, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
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    Nov 12, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    McGay saidChat online with a mormon "missionary"
    Ask them why they're obsessed with homosexuality.

    They are not.....................You seem more obsessed with them. They are Americans too, who also have a vote.
    Let me see if I've got this right Pattison: We win our right to marry. Mormons supply 40% of the funding to take away that right. We're angry with them.

    And you think the problem is our obsession with them?
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    Nov 12, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    Pattison saidBut what about all your hate? You are no better then the Mormons, and you even attack other homosexuals who don't see things your way, or want what you want either. Sorry but I fail to see how you are any better!

    We haven't amended the state constitution to take away their rights just because we disagree with how they use them. That's how we're better.
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    Nov 12, 2008 5:58 AM GMT
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    Nov 12, 2008 6:15 AM GMT
    McGay saidThe mormon's in Texas this past summer were polygamists. Not ex-communicated. Mormon.


    The Texas polygamist are FLDS, and not LDS. So the LDS are not able to excommunicate them, as they don't belong to LDS!! Nor are FLDS called Mormons.
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    Nov 12, 2008 6:25 AM GMT
    Squarejaw said
    Pattison said
    McGay saidChat online with a mormon "missionary"
    Ask them why they're obsessed with homosexuality.

    They are not.....................You seem more obsessed with them. They are Americans too, who also have a vote.
    Let me see if I've got this right Pattison: We win our right to marry. Mormons supply 40% of the funding to take away that right. We're angry with them.

    And you think the problem is our obsession with them?


    In fact One did not state it was OUR obsession. It was a statement to McGay. As I have been attacked by it a number of times, because I have the ability to see the other side view, or try to. Because I don't seem to see things it's way. because I was once a Mormon. The abuse first began in April of this year. Because I talked about first talking about something way back in may of 1999, that was to come to pass on September the 11th, 2001. But working for the gay community. I come across many nasty, hatful gay men., like Mcgay!

    But as I pure homosexual. I have every right to any view on gay issues I want, and political too. I don't go abusing people like Mcgay dose because they may not see things the way I do, or seem too.

    Just goes to show the USA is not as progressive as some think, not the best Country in the world too live. I almost feel PRIDE in being an Aussie.

    Oh the Mormons did not take away any rights voters did! Many of them catholics and other religions too..........

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    Nov 12, 2008 6:51 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]McGay said[/cite]Tens of thousands of our brothers and sisters are in the streets in California and Salt Lake City and around the country protesting the votes banning same-sex marriage in California.

    Join them! Make your voices heard right here in New York City.

    We will tell the Mormon Church how we feel about its relentless campaign to condemn and control our lives. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
    was, by far, the biggest financer of California's heinous and hateful
    Proposition 8. The Mormon Church begged their members to donate money to Prop 8,
    pouring 20 million dollars into the campaign. And their attacks on us didn't start there and aren't
    about to end. They're plotting right now to bring their money and influence to bear against the LGBT community everywhere in this country, including trying to prevent marriage equality in New York.

    SO WHAT?! Its their right to do what they did, and don't bother with the "tax exempt" bullshit, members of the LDS Church and other denominations donated as individuals, are you going to go after every religious group who's members donated? Oh wait, you can't because the Churches didnt donate money, its members did directly. Do you really think that an organization as large as the LDS Church would do something to contravene their status as a tax-exempt body?

    why dont you devote your effort and energy to challenge Prop 8 through proper channels? Funny how your response to a group that "hates" is to perpepuate hate towards them. You should be marching to the steps of every individual in California who voted YES. Oh the poor sheep of California who were duped by some TV ads, give me a break, 90% of campaign advertising is misleading and on the edge of factual. Should we focus next on overturning all of the election results because the gullible people of the US couldnt have made the proper choice because TV ads were misleading?

    This whole argument/movement is ridiculous.

    FYI - the polygamist group in TX is not LDS.
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    Nov 12, 2008 7:33 AM GMT
    bmchannel7 said ......

    And CNN - yes, your network and not FoxNews - happened to report Saturday night that Prop 8 passed in CA largely due to the fact that African-Americans voted overwhelmingly for it - something like 70% to 30%, if I recall correctly.

    ...


    This is such complete and utter bullshit. African Americans did collectively cast a decisive vote on Prop 8.

    Get your facts straight! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 12, 2008 9:53 AM GMT
    Useless. Or less than useless. Can we start fighting and stop protesting? Fight back? Fight not protest. Are we gay wimps?
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    Nov 12, 2008 10:02 AM GMT
    McGay saidThe mormon's in Texas this past summer were polygamists. Not ex-communicated. Mormon.


    You, sir, need to actually read before you speak... they were not members of the mormon church, they even have a different name (look for The (something) Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, there shouldn't be a (something)). As for polygamy/that very uncomfortable subject of black leaders in the church... both were conveniently overturned by divine inspiration at the time they looked the least possible... (polygamy was overturned in the late 1800s, it was the last thing that really kept Utah from becoming a state and institutional racism ended after the civil rights movement succeeded)

    If you know mormon history, they are really just pushovers that try to talk big and make lots of money... if the nation wants gay marriage, the mormons will too...
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    Nov 12, 2008 10:04 AM GMT
    Dear God, if we are gonna throw all this energy into protesting to "show" the Mormon Church that they were wrong, I will go to Cancun and sit on the beach and drink mohitos. When they change their minds, wake me up from my lounge chair and tell me the fight is over. Wow!!! A protest and the Mormon Church changed their minds. Wow!! If that all it takes.....Maybe they will see us protesting and change their minds. I doubt it, but wake me up in Cancun if it happens.
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    Nov 12, 2008 10:06 AM GMT
    Oh, and the reason they might have an issue with tax exempt status is the letter which was distributed from church officials to the congregation's bishops to be read during services urging them to vote yes on prop 8... that is against IRS tax codes going back to the days of McCarthy... even the red scare didnt stop us from saying religion needed to butt out...