Obamacare: Mandatory HIV testing for EVERYONE in US aged 15-65.

  • USMCjock

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    Jul 21, 2013 6:23 AM GMT
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/15/us-usa-obama-aids-idUSBRE96E0YI20130715?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=574655

    Now that the Big Brother will have access to ALL your health care information (what? you thought you had an expectation of privacy, or that it was your own personal property?? hahahaha) Uncle Barry has quietly signed one of his slick "Executive Orders" (bypassing Congress, debate, public input...) and implemented mandatory HIV testing for all Americans aged 15-65...

    Doesn't really matter, I suppose. They tracked your license plates on the way to the clinic, read your texts and emails to friends and family, and now they will just eliminate the need to be sneaky. What a great day to be an American.
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:25 AM GMT
    I actually think this is a good thing. Early diagnosis is never a bad thing.
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:32 AM GMT
    Is that really so bad?
  • USMCjock

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    Jul 21, 2013 6:38 AM GMT
    Doggett saidI actually think this is a good thing. Early diagnosis is never a bad thing.


    I would never say people ought NOT to be screened.. The key things here are the GOVERNMENT doing it, and making it MANDATORY.

    I have 5 and 6 year old nephews. I really feel that their future in this country will be a super fucked up version of the country I grew up in.. I have lived Afrika for 2 years, Japan for over a year, Prague for 15 months, and traveled all over- there is no better place I have been to then the US and A, but this twisted notion that Govt will take care of you from the cradle to the grave is a crock of shit, and based on the
    premise that you are too stoopid to take care of yourself. Part of FREEDOM is giving individuals the right to make their own mistakes and weighing the risks of things they may choose to enjoy versus the enjoyment those things give them (smoking, drinking, sky-diving, SCUBA diving, etc)...
  • USMCjock

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    Jul 21, 2013 6:41 AM GMT
    Matiz saidIs that really so bad?


    So even the hyper-secret NSA has leaks... The names of every registered Concealed Carry gun owner was recently published publicly.
    Maybe you are right- Once the Govt knows 90% of Americans HIV status, a whistleblower will decide it ought to be public knowledge.. Aren't you curious if your next door neighbor has it?
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:41 AM GMT
    USMCjock said Part of FREEDOM is giving individuals the right to make their own mistakes and weighing the risks of things they may choose to enjoy versus the enjoyment those things give them (smoking, drinking, sky-diving, SCUBA diving, etc)...


    Your freedom ends where mine begins. Don't really care for your scuba or sky diving, but you can't drive drunk or smoke around me while I'm in a restaurant just because those things bring you joy.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 21, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    The meds they have now can bring people down to undetectable levels. Personally, I would like to see HIV cured in my life time. I watched many get sick and die in the past, so we have made great strides. Unless everyone is aware of their status how can the end of this disease ever happen? It is a disease that is completely 100% preventable. I don't believe that there is any sort plan to round up everyone and put them in concentration camps, but I do believe that if people who have been exposed receive early treatment we can prevent any further spread. The article goes on to say: "Nearly one in five of the estimated 1.1 million people with HIV in the United States are undiagnosed, and a third are still not receiving medical care, even though antiretroviral drugs can forestall long-term health risks of the disease and cut the risk of transmission by as much as 96 percent."
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    Jul 21, 2013 7:06 AM GMT
    USMCjock said
    Doggett saidI actually think this is a good thing. Early diagnosis is never a bad thing.


    I would never say people ought NOT to be screened.. The key things here are the GOVERNMENT doing it, and making it MANDATORY.

    I have 5 and 6 year old nephews. I really feel that their future in this country will be a super fucked up version of the country I grew up in.. I have lived Afrika for 2 years, Japan for over a year, Prague for 15 months, and traveled all over- there is no better place I have been to then the US and A, but this twisted notion that Govt will take care of you from the cradle to the grave is a crock of shit, and based on the
    premise that you are too stoopid to take care of yourself. Part of FREEDOM is giving individuals the right to make their own mistakes and weighing the risks of things they may choose to enjoy versus the enjoyment those things give them (smoking, drinking, sky-diving, SCUBA diving, etc)...


    Whatever the means I am sure there will be some goods out of this.
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    Jul 21, 2013 8:09 AM GMT
    Excellent! Maybe we can reduce or even eliminate the spread of HIV in the United States.
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    Jul 21, 2013 8:58 AM GMT
    Anyone that has a social security card should have zero expectation of privacy. We're all numbers in a jacket in a file cabinet. As a former Marine, OP should already understand this concept. Did you complain about your privacy and all the mandatory tests and vaccinations when you went through MEPS? Probably not. So why complain now?
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    Jul 21, 2013 11:53 AM GMT
    I think the OP probably doesn't have a problem with the overall premise but more so the word MANDATORY. I personally hate the thought of that word. When working and my employer would force mandatory overtime, I would get super pissed off. Now if the overtime was voluntary then I would more likely have no problem with it and work as much as I felt like I could handle. But to throw out orders and force people to do things they don't want to do, well it just makes people mad. It also makes me think our country is one step closer to becoming the next Peoples Republic of China or the new USSR.
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    Jul 21, 2013 12:12 PM GMT
    Perhaps I am reading this wrong, but I didn't see anywhere in the article where it said it would be mandatory.

    It says there is a recommendation that all 15 to 65 year olds be screened for HIV infection, and that would be covered under the Affordable Care Act.

    This is similar to saying mammograms are recommended starting at age 40, or prostate exams at age 40 for men to catch cancer early.

    In fact the article states that at this point he is waiting for recommendations from the Office of National AIDS Policy, before an actually policy is put in place.

    It doesn't mean it won't be mandatory, but it could also mean they will make an aggressive effort to educate people of the new recommendation and the availability of testing through the Affordable Care Act.
  • kuroshiro

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    Jul 21, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
    USMCjock said
    Doggett saidI actually think this is a good thing. Early diagnosis is never a bad thing.


    I would never say people ought NOT to be screened.. The key things here are the GOVERNMENT doing it, and making it MANDATORY.

    I have 5 and 6 year old nephews. I really feel that their future in this country will be a super fucked up version of the country I grew up in.. I have lived Afrika for 2 years, Japan for over a year, Prague for 15 months, and traveled all over- there is no better place I have been to then the US and A, but this twisted notion that Govt will take care of you from the cradle to the grave is a crock of shit, and based on the
    premise that you are too stoopid to take care of yourself. Part of FREEDOM is giving individuals the right to make their own mistakes and weighing the risks of things they may choose to enjoy versus the enjoyment those things give them (smoking, drinking, sky-diving, SCUBA diving, etc)...


    Clearly your version of the US is different from mine. Does it matter to me that there is a leak in the NSA? No. Does it matter if they know whether I have an HIV test or not? No. Most county health clinics are required by LAW anyways to report an HIV positive individual, so chances are they probably already know anyways.

    Sorry, but getting HIV and/or AIDS isn't something that should fall under the category of "making a mistake" when it can easily be prevented. Plus, there are many people out there who still purposefully infect others (which is a crime).
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    Jul 21, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
    I don't understand the whole protest about privacy invasion , if you have nothing to hide why worrying about it !!
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    Jul 21, 2013 3:05 PM GMT
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    USMCjock said
    Doggett saidI actually think this is a good thing. Early diagnosis is never a bad thing.


    I would never say people ought NOT to be screened.. The key things here are the GOVERNMENT doing it, and making it MANDATORY.

    I have 5 and 6 year old nephews. I really feel that their future in this country will be a super fucked up version of the country I grew up in.. I have lived Afrika for 2 years, Japan for over a year, Prague for 15 months, and traveled all over- there is no better place I have been to then the US and A, but this twisted notion that Govt will take care of you from the cradle to the grave is a crock of shit, and based on the
    premise that you are too stoopid to take care of yourself. Part of FREEDOM is giving individuals the right to make their own mistakes and weighing the risks of things they may choose to enjoy versus the enjoyment those things give them (smoking, drinking, sky-diving, SCUBA diving, etc)...


    Clearly your version of the US is different from mine. Does it matter to me that there is a leak in the NSA? No. Does it matter if they know whether I have an HIV test or not? No. Most county health clinics are required by LAW anyways to report an HIV positive individual, so chances are they probably already know anyways.

    Sorry, but getting HIV and/or AIDS isn't something that should fall under the category of "making a mistake" when it can easily be prevented. Plus, there are many people out there who still purposefully infect others (which is a crime).


    I definitely concur with you mate !
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    Jul 21, 2013 3:22 PM GMT
    neffa saidI don't understand the whole protest about privacy invasion , if you have nothing to hide why worrying about it !!
    This is the wrong way of thinking. This is how stupid laws like the Patriot Act got passed. Yes, 99% of us aren't terrorists and we have nothing to hide. But we certainly lost some of our freedom/privacy because of it.

    And as I said earlier, we have very little privacy in this day and age. We should try harder to maintain what very little of it we have left.

    But the purpose of the OP's thread was not about privacy; It was just a boring rant against Obama.
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    Jul 21, 2013 3:32 PM GMT
    Even if it were mandatory I don't see how this is a bad thing. So many people are untested. The government is trying to put an end to that.
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    Jul 21, 2013 3:48 PM GMT
    Here is why I do not like the government knowing what my HIV status is. Because at some point there won't be "our guys" running the government and it will be "the other guys" running the government and I can see them putting in laws in the name of "public health and safety and the general welfare" that gays need to be publicly labeled as gay as part of a "higher risk group" or some such nonsense.

    Do NOT underestimate what the other side will do to the gays. Having the federal government take this power and hold this information about us is not a good idea.
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    Jul 21, 2013 3:50 PM GMT
    OP clearly lacks some reading-comprehension skills. Nowhere does it say mandatory.
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    Jul 21, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
    bhp91126 saidOP clearly lacks some reading-comprehension skills. Nowhere does it say mandatory.


    Don't be so quick to label him as dumb. Did you bother to read the executive order? Here's part of it:

    The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force now recommends that clinicians screen all individuals ages 15 to 65 years for HIV.

    Here is the link to the order:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/07/15/executive-order-hiv-care-continuum-initiative

    In the hands of a president hostile to the gays having this information at his/her fingertips could be very very dangerous.
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    Jul 21, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
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    creyente saidPerhaps I am reading this wrong, but I didn't see anywhere in the article where it said it would be mandatory.

    It says there is a recommendation that all 15 to 65 year olds be screened for HIV infection, and that would be covered under the Affordable Care Act.

    The OP has been listening to right-wing loony talk, where they've been claiming this lie for days now. It's just another bash-Obama vehicle. The OP, like all the other Tea Partiers, doesn't care much about what's true or false as long as he can bash the president. ZzZzzZZzzz

    +1
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    Oh noes! Head for the hills! The government is evil!


    (Hey OP, the USMC is a private institution, right?)
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    Macaque saidOh noes! Head for the hills! The government is evil!


    (Hey OP, the USMC is a private institution, right?)



    I hope so. Don't want the gov't involved with anything as important as our defense.
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    Jul 21, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    RoseyEasy saidHere is why I do not like the government knowing what my HIV status is. Because at some point there won't be "our guys" running the government and it will be "the other guys" running the government and I can see them putting in laws in the name of "public health and safety and the general welfare" that gays need to be publicly labeled as gay as part of a "higher risk group" or some such nonsense.

    Do NOT underestimate what the other side will do to the gays. Having the federal government take this power and hold this information about us is not a good idea.


    So what exactly do you think they will be going from there? I thought that it was already a part of the law for the government to be informed of someone who tests positive for HIV or AIDS.
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    Jul 21, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    creyente saidPerhaps I am reading this wrong, but I didn't see anywhere in the article where it said it would be mandatory.

    It says there is a recommendation that all 15 to 65 year olds be screened for HIV infection, and that would be covered under the Affordable Care Act.

    This is similar to saying mammograms are recommended starting at age 40, or prostate exams at age 40 for men to catch cancer early.

    In fact the article states that at this point he is waiting for recommendations from the Office of National AIDS Policy, before an actually policy is put in place.

    It doesn't mean it won't be mandatory, but it could also mean they will make an aggressive effort to educate people of the new recommendation and the availability of testing through the Affordable Care Act.



    I checked the story on some other sites and this is what I gathered as well. OP is making is sound ominous, like Obama is lining people up, forcing them to take the tests and then whisking the pos people away to containment camps. "OMG... HIV testing... Obama is ruining America!" icon_lol.gif

    The truth is that making HIV testing more accessible and a part of normal physical screenings would likely save lives.