US: Letting trans children live according to their identity is ‘child abuse’, says attorney

  • metta

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    Jul 21, 2013 3:40 PM GMT
    US: Letting trans children live according to their identity is ‘child abuse’, says attorney

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/21/us-letting-trans-children-live-according-to-their-identity-is-child-abuse-says-attorney/
  • reptile18

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    Jul 21, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
    Well, of course Matt Barber's involved...
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    Jul 22, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    I think it it total insanity to let a minor decide they are the opposite sex and dress that way.It s a sign of society going insane.Sorry if that offends but that is how I see it.
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    Jul 22, 2013 4:15 AM GMT
    ^ i agree, 6 year old is way to young to comprehend/understand sexuality. i cant believe im partially agreeing with a pro-family attorney.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 4:17 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidI think it it total insanity to let a minor decide they are the opposite sex and dress that way.It s a sign of society going insane.Sorry if that offends but that is how I see it.

    So, you don't support the T in LGBT?

    I knew I was gay as a young child. Who are you to tell transgendered people that they can't be themselves?
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    Jul 22, 2013 4:24 AM GMT
    Children are not adults..I think children should be taken away from parents if they go along with this nonsense.What if a child says she was never meant to be born or thinks she is a cat.I mean really.Thank God I grew up in the 1980's!
  • CityofDreams

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    Jul 22, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    WickedRyan saidI think it it total insanity to let a minor decide they are the opposite sex and dress that way.It s a sign of society going insane.Sorry if that offends but that is how I see it.

    So, you don't support the T in LGBT?

    I knew I was gay as a young child. Who are you to tell transgendered people that they can't be themselves?


    I completely agree with Joe. I was 4 when I knew that I was "different" than other boys, this was during the early 1990's. With society in 2013, gay/transgender issues being talked about in everyday environments, why wouldn't a 6-10 year old know that he/she is transgender? They are being exposed to concepts much earlier than my generation and those before me.
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    Jul 22, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidChildren are not adults..I think children should be taken away from parents if they go along with this nonsense.What if a child says she was never meant to be born or thinks she is a cat.I mean really.Thank God I grew up in the 1980's!


    I know right? And what if the kid said they were into the same sex!? Just the thought of this has me clutching my pearls into diamonds!
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    Jul 22, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    what about all the things you thought you knew about yourself as a child but turned out to be wrong? or things that changed as you matured?

    6 years old is too young to comprehend sexuality, it requires a more mature mindset to fully understand, nor do they understand the repercussions. It would irresponsible of the parents to facilitate a permanent change at the request of its child.
    (the article mentions artificially introducing testosterone, not sure if that's the case or if the attorney is exaggerating, but surely you would agree that is irresponsible)

    I'm all for supporting the trans community, but lets not get carried away. when it involves children it changes the issue entirely.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 5:55 AM GMT
    ataraxia saidwhat about all the things you thought you knew about yourself as a child but turned out to be wrong? or things that changed as you matured?

    6 years old is too young to comprehend sexuality, it requires a more mature mindset to fully understand, nor do they understand the repercussions. It would irresponsible of the parents to facilitate a permanent change at the request of its child.
    (the article mentions artificially introducing testosterone, not sure if that's the case or if the attorney is exaggerating, but surely you would agree that is irresponsible)

    I'm all for supporting the trans community, but lets not get carried away. when it involves children it changes the issue entirely.


    All of the MTF transgender adults I know, particularly two good friends I've known for many years, had surgeries and took hormones as adults. But they struggled through painful childhoods, not being accepted by straight people, or gay people, and trying to be something they never wanted to be. All of them wished they could have been girls in junior high and high school. As adults, they became women, but anyone can tell they were once men. When a transgendered person changes before puberty, they get the life they want, and no one can ever tell, because they just blossom as females and it looks natural.

    Moreover, I do NOT think taking children away from their parents is morally right or socially responsible. Can you even imagine being taken away from your parents because you're gay? It's outrageous. For all of the abusive parents out there, there are infinitely more who are loving, and these days some are enlightened enough to do what's best for their kids.

    There's nothing wrong with being a daughter. Talk to transgendered people and you will understand that it's damaging to them to force them to repress themselves, especially as children. It can ruin their whole lives, and that's the real abuse.

    You may not have known you were gay at six, but many transgendered people know immediately, their whole lives. It's deeper than who you're attracted to. It's your whole identity as someone's son or daughter.
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    Jul 22, 2013 6:03 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    WickedRyan saidI think it it total insanity to let a minor decide they are the opposite sex and dress that way.It s a sign of society going insane.Sorry if that offends but that is how I see it.

    So, you don't support the T in LGBT?

    I knew I was gay as a young child. Who are you to tell transgendered people that they can't be themselves?

    6 is a little too young to decide something serious like gender. We're talking one of the basic traits of each person.

    I support the T...but it's proper to make sure that it isn't a phase before jumping to any conclusions.
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    Jul 22, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    I do not believe children have the mental capacity to understand whether if they are transgender or not. I believe around the age of 13-16 if when a a person can understand fully.

    Now I do not believe parents should limit what their children want. If a boy wants to play with girl toys allow him....and vice versa. However, I do believe they shouldn't be allowed to dress in womens clothing as well as use the opposite sex bathrooms. There are other people besides the child in question that people also need to think of.
  • metta

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    Jul 22, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    I think that some people need to learn more about what it is like to be transgender before making such judgments. Those judgments can end up hurting them and I don't think that is what people are trying to do.

    Many transgender people have a much more difficult time than people that are gay. They need support...not more people telling them to not be who they are comfortable being.

    If I had a child, I would want that child to be comfortable with who they are. I would not try to push them away from being who they felt they were either. Of course, I would also get a psychologist to help with this as well.

  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 7:01 AM GMT
    I found this video on YouTube of a 7 year old transgender MTF.... The comments from bigots broke my heart. Brave kid!

  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 7:15 AM GMT
    ^Looks like Oprah's got her back.icon_wink.gif

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    Jul 22, 2013 7:23 AM GMT
    metta8 saidI think that some people need to learn more about what it is like to be transgender before making such judgments. Those judgments can end up hurting them and I don't think that is what people are trying to do.

    Many transgender people have a much more difficult time than people that are gay. They need support...not more people telling them to not be who they are comfortable being.

    If I had a child, I would want that child to be comfortable with who they are. I would not try to push them away from being who they felt they were either. Of course, I would also get a psychologist to help with this as well.

    Gesh, I have a friend that has a friend that is MTF transgender and right now we are having trouble with figuring out how to help her. She is not a child (in her 20's), but her self esteem is so low that she almost never leaves her home. She is unable to work, go to school, etc. She feels like a freak because her body does not match who she is and she does not think she will ever have the money to change it. She is especially afraid that children will see her and freak out. She has no money so she can only get free counseling which is useless. She only gets these students training to be psychologists and once they fill their hours, she gets a new one....constantly changing. My friend feels like giving up on her but I asked her not to. I'm not sure what else can be done but I don't think we should give up.



    I don't believe it is sustainable or proper for a person to expect a personal
    " problem" to somehow be the responsibility of society at large.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 7:32 AM GMT
    Alpha13 I don't believe it is sustainable or proper for a person to expect a personal" problem" to somehow be the responsibility of society at large.


    This thread is about "society" calling parents abusive for embracing their children as they are. Anyone who watches the videos I posted should be able to see that it would be cruel to force that little girl to be a boy. She's living as a girl, and her parents accept and love her.
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    Jul 22, 2013 8:12 AM GMT
    i agree with Dahas and Hottjoe
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    Jul 22, 2013 8:15 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    WickedRyan saidI think it it total insanity to let a minor decide they are the opposite sex and dress that way.It s a sign of society going insane.Sorry if that offends but that is how I see it.

    So, you don't support the T in LGBT?

    I knew I was gay as a young child. Who are you to tell transgendered people that they can't be themselves?


    But you are confusing Trans with homosexuality. Did you need medical treatment, and procedures to be a homosexual; I know I never have. two totally different topics and issues mate.
  • Laurence

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    Jul 22, 2013 8:30 AM GMT
    Everyone should have the right to be who or what they want to be.

    As long as you're not harming anyone else, then just do it.

    If society has a problem with trans-gender children it's society's problem not the childrens.

    Lozx
  • great_scott

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    Jul 22, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    Granted, a guy from a Christian legal group that describes himself as "pro-family" probably isn't all that LGBT-friendly to begin with, but he still has valid points even with possible religious judgments aside. Kids are way too flighty to make any kind of life-altering decisions. These cases do seem like negligence that could cause emotional harm and may even put the child at risk for physical harm too. I had no idea they put these kids on hormones to delay puberty; that def seems like abuse.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
    The Christian right attacks LGBT people out of ignorance. Before you guys judge transgender children as being too young to know who they are and what they want, I urge to you please watch the videos I posted!!!

    The second video is done by OWN network.

    This isn't a joke, and it's not fair to let your ignorance ruin the lives of transgender youth. They are infinitely better off if they can treat themselves with hormones before puberty!!! Forcing sexual repression onto trans people is wrong, and it's reprehensible that gay people are doing it.
  • Ethrim

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    Jul 22, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    Let me define some terms for some of yall. (ataraxia)
    Transgender is not a sexuality. That's why you can be transgendered and gay, or straight, or asexual...
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 22, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    Unintended saidThursday, I was at a meeting of Transgendered organization to doing my the services of my fine art printing and reproduction company to their arts fundraiser.

    After reading the utter lack of understand shown here, I am going to donate even more services.


    Ty. I find the ignorance in the gay community about transgendered people to be on par with the Christian right, and it's terribly depressing. They refuse to talk to transgender people, or educate themselves, and instead they call their parents abusive. This is a perennial topic on RJ, and people just refuse to educate themselves. It makes me want to cry.
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    Jul 22, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    Let's be serious for one second... Hell No should a parent allow their child to dress transgender at the age of 6. Point. blank. period!

    we're talking about a 6 year old CHILD!