Religious Progressives Predicted To Outnumber Conservatives, Survey Finds

  • metta

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    Jul 21, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    Religious Progressives Predicted To Outnumber Conservatives, Survey Finds

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/20/religious-progressives_n_3624967.html
  • mitshoo

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    Jul 22, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    Interesting! This probably raises more questions than it answers though. I myself am wondering if numbers of non-Christian religions will grow in generations to come. Polls like these always uses "religion/religious" as synonyms for "Christianity/Christian" which really irks me. Yeah, religions have some important structural-functional similarities, but there are some important differences too. I wonder if forms of Neopaganism will flourish due to our increasingly (progressive) value of nature, or Buddhism which does not have so much conflict with science as does Christianity.

    Atheists have never been a large portion of any society, in part because science is kind of new, but in part because people need stories and myths to give their lives form and meaning. So I doubt that non-religious people in these polls will ever be too great. Mostly, I predict people will move from one increasingly unpopular value set (conservative Christianity) to a new, less stigmatized value set that they will mix with new religious beliefs, possibly drawing off other foreign sources. Few really ever abandon myth completely.

    Anyone have any other predictions?
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    Jul 22, 2013 2:47 AM GMT
    metta8 saidReligious Progressives Predicted To Outnumber Conservatives, Survey Finds

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/20/religious-progressives_n_3624967.html


    I read this today on another site. Nonsense, hate, and vindictive deities, are fading in popularity. Atheism is at all time high. Shunning and pillories are out.

    Of course, this makes perfect sense, as science advances, culture matures / evolves.

    It's a very good thing that the right wing nuts are becoming less relevant. However, that doesn't mean that folks like the the two boys from Boston, their religion, and their friends, don't present a clear and present danger to us all. They very much do. For those nuts, we all give up personal privacy, and live a bit on edge (much to the love of the military industrial complex / police state).

    False belief systems are the root of much evil...in fact, most evil. It's important that we not forget...the Muslims (Boston / New York), The Jimmy Jones, or groups like The Third Reich.

    Religion will continue to present a danger well through our lifetimes.
  • mitshoo

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    Jul 22, 2013 5:36 AM GMT
    chuckystud said Nonsense, hate, and vindictive deities, are fading in popularity. Atheism is at all time high. Shunning and pillories are out.

    Of course, this makes perfect sense, as science advances, culture matures / evolves.


    Nothing about understanding valence electrons nor the origin of black holes will suddenly alter our psychological and sociological processes, a lot of which we inherit by being mammals and displaying mammal-typical behavior. Studying science only makes you materially enlightened - not socially. We are no different than the Romans and their bloodthirsty, conquering, slaving patterns. We just have better technology so we can feel all smug about some supposed "progress" of our species. Our brains are the same as theirs, with the exception of cultural particulars. That is all.

    To be less hateful, we just have to learn to love and teach our children to love. Indeed, we have to cultivate attitudes and personalities that are very much at odds with the type of analytical thinking that science requires.
  • nperson91

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    Aug 10, 2013 9:57 PM GMT
    It's very good! It's about time people stop trying to use ancient text to dictate today's life. There is no Christian who actually follows the entire Bible anyway (not wearing clothes of more than one fabric?). It won't be long before our right to freedom of religion ACTUALLY means freedom of religion.
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    Aug 13, 2013 2:57 PM GMT
    mitshoo said
    chuckystud said Nonsense, hate, and vindictive deities, are fading in popularity. Atheism is at all time high. Shunning and pillories are out.

    Of course, this makes perfect sense, as science advances, culture matures / evolves.


    Nothing about understanding valence electrons nor the origin of black holes will suddenly alter our psychological and sociological processes, a lot of which we inherit by being mammals and displaying mammal-typical behavior. Studying science only makes you materially enlightened - not socially. We are no different than the Romans and their bloodthirsty, conquering, slaving patterns. We just have better technology so we can feel all smug about some supposed "progress" of our species. Our brains are the same as theirs, with the exception of cultural particulars. That is all.

    To be less hateful, we just have to learn to love and teach our children to love. Indeed, we have to cultivate attitudes and personalities that are very much at odds with the type of analytical thinking that science requires.


    In his 1994 nonfiction book Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space, humanist/pacifist astronomer Carl Sagan (1934–1996) related a notable photo of Earth – the Pale Blue Dot – to the human condition.



    Carl SaganFrom this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of any particular interest, but for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of – every human being who ever was – lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering; thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines; every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

    The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance – the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe – are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

    The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit? Yes. Settle? Not yet. Like it or not, for the moment, the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.



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    metta8 saidReligious Progressives Predicted To Outnumber Conservatives, Survey Finds

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/20/religious-progressives_n_3624967.html


    I read this today on another site. Nonsense, hate, and vindictive deities, are fading in popularity. Atheism is at all time high. Shunning and pillories are out.

    Of course, this makes perfect sense, as science advances, culture matures / evolves.

    It's a very good thing that the right wing nuts are becoming less relevant. However, that doesn't mean that folks like the the two boys from Boston, their religion, and their friends, don't present a clear and present danger to us all. They very much do. For those nuts, we all give up personal privacy, and live a bit on edge (much to the love of the military industrial complex / police state).

    False belief systems are the root of much evil...in fact, most evil. It's important that we not forget...the Muslims (Boston / New York), The Jimmy Jones, or groups like The Third Reich.

    Religion will continue to present a danger well through our lifetimes.


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    http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/
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    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/06/27/canadas-changing-religious-landscape/
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  • The_Guruburu

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    Aug 15, 2013 6:33 AM GMT
    bewareofdogma said
    chuckystud said
    metta8 saidReligious Progressives Predicted To Outnumber Conservatives, Survey Finds

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/20/religious-progressives_n_3624967.html


    I read this today on another site. Nonsense, hate, and vindictive deities, are fading in popularity. Atheism is at all time high. Shunning and pillories are out.

    Of course, this makes perfect sense, as science advances, culture matures / evolves.

    It's a very good thing that the right wing nuts are becoming less relevant. However, that doesn't mean that folks like the the two boys from Boston, their religion, and their friends, don't present a clear and present danger to us all. They very much do. For those nuts, we all give up personal privacy, and live a bit on edge (much to the love of the military industrial complex / police state).

    False belief systems are the root of much evil...in fact, most evil. It's important that we not forget...the Muslims (Boston / New York), The Jimmy Jones, or groups like The Third Reich.

    Religion will continue to present a danger well through our lifetimes.


    PF_13.06.27_CanadaRelLandscape-02.png

    http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/
    nones-exec-6.png

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/06/27/canadas-changing-religious-landscape/
    PF_13.06.27_CanadaRelLandscape-01.png

    Huh, I wouldn't have guessed those numbers. I wouldnt hold my breath for the number of non-religious reaching 25%, but then again I'm cynical and stranger things have happened.
  • The_Guruburu

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    Aug 15, 2013 6:56 AM GMT
    mitshoo saidNothing about understanding valence electrons nor the origin of black holes will suddenly alter our psychological and sociological processes, a lot of which we inherit by being mammals and displaying mammal-typical behavior. Studying science only makes you materially enlightened - not socially. We are no different than the Romans and their bloodthirsty, conquering, slaving patterns. We just have better technology so we can feel all smug about some supposed "progress" of our species. Our brains are the same as theirs, with the exception of cultural particulars. That is all.

    To be less hateful, we just have to learn to love and teach our children to love. Indeed, we have to cultivate attitudes and personalities that are very much at odds with the type of analytical thinking that science requires.

    To be less hateful, we either have to breed out our propensity for hate, bigotry, and selfishness or genetically engineer ourselves into a better species. With all the road blocks put up in the realm of human related bioengineering, I think we'll probably have to do it the old fashioned way.
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    Aug 22, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    I am a conservative Christian who blogs against mainstream/conservative Christianity. Strange, huh?

    I preach this whenever I get the chance, so if you've seen it somewhere else, forgive me:

    God handed the Law of Moses (which Conservatives love so much) in order to cover mankind's shame

    When God said, "Don't steal" He was instantly accusing people of being thieves at heart. "Look at me, I can keep this rule." Ah, so admit that you need to be supervised by that rule.

    When God created the provision for polygamy, He was respectably dressing up that society saw its women as objects. For a man to make recourse to the provision is to wallow in the very shame that the provision was made for; for men to do it en masse is for society as a whole to unmask itself.

    In the bible, God sets men up as leaders, both socially and in their families. He then mocks their impotence even as men rush to embrace the pomp He's set before them.

    When God instituted the types of marriage that He did in the Mosaic Law, He wasn't blessing the marriage union: He was quarantining everything that was wrong with it. For society to insist on traditional marriages is for them to admit that the quarantine is necessary.

    When society argues for the "traditional family", they are showing that civilization is so fragile that it must only be very carefully built on traditional families. When traditionalists argue that every society that allowed any other model eventually demised in war, they are admitting that we need to cover up man's animosity towards fellow man behind the respectability of traditional families, rather than have the balls to ask what it is about the world that keeps purposely destroying non-conventional societies.

    When people quote the bible's prohibition against "lying with a man as with a woman," when they disparage men who "turned aside from the use of the woman," they inadvertently unmask their true beliefs about women.

    The bible, exactly as it is, is the best weapon against mainstream Christianity. http://suicidewritesnotestoo.wordpress.com