Blacks benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ law at disproportionate rate

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    Jul 21, 2013 11:57 PM GMT
    Busting the narrative... then again the protsts aren't about stand your ground or even race. Politicians are cravenly using this event as an opportunity.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/
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    Jul 22, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    Fuck the narrative. And fuck the Daily Caller.

    The Daily Caller is a publication created and propagated by people who think there is no such thing as fact, but only spin.

    While we should be adding nuance to this debate, it MUST be centered around facts and the Daily Caller is not one of those organizations who practice civic journalism.

    Stand Your Ground is by degrees different from self-defence. Self-defence presupposes a person can get away from harm, or look for a reasonable out. Stand Your Ground is exactly that, and while thought up as helpful in protecting people, it transforms the roles.

    In self-defence, you are not seeking trouble, and if trouble should find you and you can't away, you are within your rights to even take a life.

    In Stand Your Ground, the role is changed such that you can engage in confrontation, deem the other a threat, and (especially without witnesses) kill the other person, invoking the Stand Your Ground law.

    This is why people say it "encourages" confrontation, because it allows people to get away with it.


    Oh, and the Daily Caller saying "Florida blacks benefit disproportionately" is a racist dog-whistle.

    Here are some other statistics:



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    Jul 22, 2013 4:03 AM GMT
    failscarf saidI'll star this thread for later as I find both the OP and the website in general untrustworthy in objectivity (i.e.possibly out of pocket).


    Examples? Like the time you thought that poor people are starving in the US when in fact, they're dying from obesity related diseases?

    Here's the quote from the original link:

    But approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times. Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

    African Americans used “Stand Your Ground” defenses at nearly twice the rate of their presence in the Florida population, which was listed at 16.6 percent in 2012.
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    Jul 22, 2013 2:08 PM GMT
    They were still dying from undernourishment...

    Because of processed foods, for the first time in history the underclass is fat.
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    Jul 22, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    makavelli saidThey were still dying from undernourishment...

    Because of processed foods, for the first time in history the underclass is fat.


    Undernourshment? Sure they are... Yes, it's processed foods but this isn't undernourishment.
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    Jul 22, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    Obama supported stand your ground legislation when he was in Illinois:
    http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2013/07/obama-strongly-supported-stand-your-ground-when-in-illinois-senate.html
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    Jul 22, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
    Irrespective of who may or may not have 'benefited' from SYG, it is bad law. There is nothing wrong with the long-established principle of self-defence, which many US states and most other jurisdictions seem content not to meddle with. SYG is nothing more than NRA-sponsored enabling legislation for the trigger happy.
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    makavelli saidThey were still dying from undernourishment...

    Because of processed foods, for the first time in history the underclass is fat.


    Undernourshment? Sure they are... Yes, it's processed foods but this isn't undernourishment.


    It is and please understand that this will be the last of your many ridiculous threads I will post to.
    I don't find my people getting shot humorous, entertaining or trollitical.

    I don't agree with many of the Lib members here and I even find some of what conservatives say to be true(as I was gunning for a Repub in 2012). But I now see when the other members say you are an idiot.

    There is nothing nutritious about over-sugary cereals, over-overproduced corn products, some iceberg lettuce, ketchup or soft drinks. It drains health and raises our healthcare costs.
    In which you suggested terrifically bad idea of third-party payments and subsidies from unknown sources.



    Like I said before, please understand that this will be the last of your many ridiculous threads I will post to.
    I don't find my people getting shot humorous, entertaining or trollitical.


    You don't seem to understand my or your own arguments. Did I ever suggest that this was humorous or entertaining.

    Did I say that the oversugary cereals were nutritious? Obesity is certainly not the cause of undernourishment as I pointed out. I've also pointed out that in the US you can blame at least some of it on the corn lobby and the USDA itself for its flawed food pyramid. This does not take away from the very fact that people are not dying from starvation in the US - quite the opposite. No, if there's anyone who's an idiot here, you might want to read your own post and think through it.

    In which I suggested terrifically bad idea of third party payments? No. Only for those who can't actually afford it - which isn't actually that many.

    Post however you like.
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    Jul 22, 2013 7:06 PM GMT
    failscarf said
    riddler78 said
    failscarf said
    riddler78 said
    makavelli saidThey were still dying from undernourishment...

    Because of processed foods, for the first time in history the underclass is fat.


    Undernourshment? Sure they are... Yes, it's processed foods but this isn't undernourishment.


    It is and please understand that this will be the last of your many ridiculous threads I will post to.
    I don't find my people getting shot humorous, entertaining or trollitical.

    I don't agree with many of the Lib members here and I even find some of what conservatives say to be true(as I was gunning for a Repub in 2012). But I now see when the other members say you are an idiot.

    There is nothing nutritious about over-sugary cereals, over-overproduced corn products, some iceberg lettuce, ketchup or soft drinks. It drains health and raises our healthcare costs.
    In which you suggested terrifically bad idea of third-party payments and subsidies from unknown sources.



    Like I said before, please understand that this will be the last of your many ridiculous threads I will post to.
    I don't find my people getting shot humorous, entertaining or trollitical.


    You don't seem to understand my or your own arguments. Did I ever suggest that this was humorous or entertaining.

    Did I say that the oversugary cereals were nutritious? Obesity is certainly not the cause of undernourishment as I pointed out. I've also pointed out that in the US you can blame at least some of it on the corn lobby and the USDA itself for its flawed food pyramid.

    In which I suggested terrifically bad idea of third party payments? No. Only for those who can't actually afford it - which isn't actually that many.

    Post however you like - I've never based my posting decisions on what you or others would like me to do.


    You don't seem to understand your own posts actually.
    You literally posted other threads with information that contradicted this one. On top of that, your threads in general lack objectivity and a tone of seriousness. Its like you feel you have to be the first one to jump on every story then feel you are informed enough to craft a serious theory in each thread. That seems humanly impossible when one takes in your thread counts.


    Did I say that the oversugary cereals were nutritious?
    Yes you did actually. Yes, it's processed foods but this isn't undernourishment.. Processed foods by definition are not nutritious and can even zap nutrients. I thought with your hate for the food pyramid you would notice this.

    I dont see how the USDA food pyramid is a cause for obesity when its obviously pointed out one must it multiple plates(at least 3) of this new pyramid instead of the previously used one. And speaking of corn lobby, they are pushing corn syrup, so that's the only thing you are right about.


    In which I suggested terrifically bad idea of third party payments? No. Only for those who can't actually afford it - which isn't actually that many.
    Wrong. If millions of Americans are having trouble with food bills, what makes health-care so different? Millions cannot afford it without some pubic plan or service. With all the responses I asked about health-care, you have yet to give out a solid idea better than the czar, zorry.


    Post however you like - I've never based my posting decisions on what you or others would like me to do.
    You never based it on logic either. Tell me, if there are so many "conservatives" on RJ, then why do they never post on your threads?


    Heh that's kind of rich coming from you. Where's the lack of logic? Considering that I'm one of the few that even bothers to respond to you and others and post actual counterpoints, this is actually kind of amusing.

    You don't seem to understand your own posts actually.
    You literally posted other threads with information that contradicted this one. On top of that, your threads in general lack objectivity and a tone of seriousness. Its like you feel you have to be the first one to jump on every story then feel you are informed enough to craft a serious theory in each thread. That seems humanly impossible when one takes in your thread counts.


    Right - considering your ridiculous responses, I'm supposed to take this seriously?

    Processed foods by definition are not nutritious and can even zap nutrients. I thought with your hate for the food pyramid you would notice this.

    I dont see how the USDA food pyramid is a cause for obesity when its obviously pointed out one must it multiple plates(at least 3) of this new pyramid instead of the previously used one. And speaking of corn lobby, they are pushing corn syrup, so that's the only thing you are right about.


    Simple question for you - are people dying of starvation in the US because of poverty as you previously supposed? If not, isn't obesity the opposite of starvation? I don't believe that candy is nutritious - however it can be nourishing. The USDA's food pyramid - was built in part by food lobbies - this was before their new plate system which is better and in the right direction. This however doesn't negate the damage the food pyramid has done - you seem woefully ignorant of some basic facts.

    As to your point about processed food - they do have nutrition in them - at least most do - or do you even bother reading their labels? I am not saying they are the best form of nutrition - far from it.

    Wrong. If millions of Americans are having trouble with food bills, what makes health-care so different? Millions cannot afford it without some pubic plan or service. With all the responses I asked about health-care, you have yet to give out a solid idea better than the czar, zorry.

    Millions of Americans are having trouble with food bills? Hardly. Is that before or after their cell phone and cable bills? With all the responses you wanted to hear on healthcare, you didn't get any because you're simply so closed minded as to not recognize that you don't need to solve the healthcare deficit for a minority by changing healthcare for the worse for everyone. Whether or not you choose to understand this reality isn't my responsibility.




  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 22, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    Riddler does no that nobody outside of the fringe right believes anything published by the Daily Caller, the publication who said Trayvon Martin committed a gay hate crime.

    Neither The Daily Caller nor riddler (nor the Republican party for that matter) have any credibility among people with brains.

    Also, what is the point of this? Black criminals who commit crimes need to go to jail -- Stand Your Ground doesn't change that. If black people get away with murder due to SYG, black people still think they need to go to jail and the law needs to go.

    Conservative Republicans do not get this because they operate on race, not on principle.
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    makavelli saidFuck the narrative. And fuck the Daily Caller.

    The Daily Caller is a publication created and propagated by people who think there is no such thing as fact, but only spin.

    While we should be adding nuance to this debate, it MUST be centered around facts and the Daily Caller is not one of those organizations who practice civic journalism.

    Stand Your Ground is by degrees different from self-defence. Self-defence presupposes a person can get away from harm, or look for a reasonable out. Stand Your Ground is exactly that, and while thought up as helpful in protecting people, it transforms the roles.

    In self-defence, you are not seeking trouble, and if trouble should find you and you can't away, you are within your rights to even take a life.

    In Stand Your Ground, the role is changed such that you can engage in confrontation, deem the other a threat, and (especially without witnesses) kill the other person, invoking the Stand Your Ground law.

    This is why people say it "encourages" confrontation, because it allows people to get away with it.


    Oh, and the Daily Caller saying "Florida blacks benefit disproportionately" is a racist dog-whistle.

    Here are some other statistics:





    I'll just quote myself since Riddler78 doesn't address my points.
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    Jul 23, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    Two points:

    1. Ad hominem arguments, aren't ones that need to be addressed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    2. Daily Caller has now surpassed that of the Politico online - which probably has something to do with the quality of their work - for the same reason the WSJ has consistently exceeded the readership of the New York Times:
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/14/daily-caller-tops-politico-in-web-traffic-leaves-other-establishment-liberal-sites-in-rearview-mirror/
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    failscarf said
    riddler78 said
    makavelli saidThey were still dying from undernourishment...

    Because of processed foods, for the first time in history the underclass is fat.


    Undernourshment? Sure they are... Yes, it's processed foods but this isn't undernourishment.


    It is and please understand that this will be the last of your many ridiculous threads I will post to.
    I don't find my people getting shot humorous, entertaining or trollitical.

    I don't agree with many of the Lib members here and I even find some of what conservatives say to be true(as I was gunning for a Repub in 2012). But I now see when the other members say you are an idiot.

    There is nothing nutritious about over-sugary cereals, over-overproduced corn products, some iceberg lettuce, ketchup or soft drinks. It drains health and raises our healthcare costs.
    In which you suggested terrifically bad idea of third-party payments and subsidies from unknown sources.



    Like I said before, please understand that this will be the last of your many ridiculous threads I will post to.
    I don't find my people getting shot humorous, entertaining or trollitical.



    "My people?" Last time I checked, we were all of the human race. Not totally shocked to see you use the term "my people", but it's still a little disturbing to see you type it in black and white (pardon the pun.) If you really cared about fairness for everyone, I don't think you would have used that term.
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    Jul 23, 2013 7:05 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidTwo points:

    1. Ad hominem arguments, aren't ones that need to be addressed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    2. Daily Caller has now surpassed that of the Politico online - which probably has something to do with the quality of their work - for the same reason the WSJ has consistently exceeded the readership of the New York Times:
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/14/daily-caller-tops-politico-in-web-traffic-leaves-other-establishment-liberal-sites-in-rearview-mirror/


    Obviously the "ad hominem" is worth addressing, because you just addressed it. Because, of course, it's not an ad hominem: it's a matter of fact that The Daily Caller is a right-wing rag that nobody outside of the Tea Party takes seriously. You just thought you could get away with posting nonsense from there without anybody recognizing the incredulity of the source. You were wrong.

    The quality of their work? First of all, both Politico and The Daily Caller are trash. So The Daily Caller passing Politico is like saying Stalin is better than Hitler. So what?

    Second of all, because the Spice Girls sold more records than James Brown does not make them "better quality" any more than FOX News -- universally recognized as trash among thinking people -- is "more quality" than NPR.

    It's not the least bit surprising that a right-winger does not know the difference between quality and quantity.
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    Just for the record, SYG was not a factor in the Zimmerman case. Some of the current outcry is politicians deflecting anger away from a legally sound verdict.

    SYG, as with all laws, should be periodically reviewed if assertions of unintended consequences are made. Laws can and should evolve. One of the reasons that SYG laws came into being was to protect citizens from prosecutorial over-reach. Prosecutors have been known to try everything to get convictions, and one tactic had been to often assert a person claiming self-defense could have retreated, even such retreat would have been difficult. SYG was intended to take away that line of attack from the prosecutors.


    For the record, SYG was explicitly mentioned in the jury instructions:

    "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

    SYG laws do not exist in some separate section of the Florida criminal code. They are integral to the meaning of 'self-defense' in that state.

    It is the natural instinct of most reasonable people to avoid potentially violent confrontation or, if they do unwittingly become involved in such a confrontation, to walk or run in the opposite direction. Those most likely to benefit from (or exploit) SYG are those who enjoy a fight and have the means to win one (i.e. someone with a gun and an attitude).
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    topathlete said
    Just for the record, SYG was not a factor in the Zimmerman case. Some of the current outcry is politicians deflecting anger away from a legally sound verdict.

    SYG, as with all laws, should be periodically reviewed if assertions of unintended consequences are made. Laws can and should evolve. One of the reasons that SYG laws came into being was to protect citizens from prosecutorial over-reach. Prosecutors have been known to try everything to get convictions, and one tactic had been to often assert a person claiming self-defense could have retreated, even such retreat would have been difficult. SYG was intended to take away that line of attack from the prosecutors.


    For the record, SYG was explicitly mentioned in the jury instructions:

    "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

    SYG laws do not exist in some separate section of the Florida criminal code. They are integral to the meaning of 'self-defense' in that state.

    It is the natural instinct of most reasonable people to avoid potentially violent confrontation or, if they do unwittingly become involved in such a confrontation, to walk or run in the opposite direction. Those most likely to benefit from (or exploit) SYG are those who enjoy a fight and have the means to win one (i.e. someone with a gun and an attitude).


    And yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.
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    Jul 23, 2013 11:20 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.
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    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.


    Which only shows how little you understand SYG in Florida which includes a duty to retreat (as per the changes made in 2005)
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    Jul 23, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.


    Which only shows how little you understand SYG in Florida which includes a duty to retreat (as per the changes made in 2005)


    Hardly matters when a stalker doesn't retreat then kills the only witness and lies about what actually happens.

    Either way, your assertion that SYG had nothing to do with the case was just wrong, like 99.99% of what you post.
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    TroyAthlete said

    It's not the least bit surprising that a right-winger does not know the difference between quality and quantity.




    Now THERE'S your ad-hominem attack.icon_biggrin.gif

    Questioning the intent and method of a source is historiography, not ad-hominem.

    And TroyAthlete is absolutely correct, the popularity of something is no indication of it being right.

    Now what about the points about SYG, are they valid? What about the point about video?
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    Jul 23, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.


    Which only shows how little you understand SYG in Florida which includes a duty to retreat (as per the changes made in 2005)


    Hardly matters when a stalker doesn't retreat then kills the only witness and lies about what actually happens.

    Either way, your assertion that SYG had nothing to do with the case was just wrong, like 99.99% of what you post.



    Making up shit AGAIN. It's exhausting pointing out all of your lies and fantasies. You weren't there RuPaul. Zimmerman said Martin attacked HIM. Not that I know what happened myself, but you're just making shit up with ZERO evidence to back up your claim.
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    Jul 23, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.


    Which only shows how little you understand SYG in Florida which includes a duty to retreat (as per the changes made in 2005)


    Hardly matters when a stalker doesn't retreat then kills the only witness and lies about what actually happens.

    Either way, your assertion that SYG had nothing to do with the case was just wrong, like 99.99% of what you post.



    Making up shit AGAIN. It's exhausting pointing out all of your lies and fantasies. You weren't there RuPaul. Zimmerman said Martin attacked HIM. Not that I know what happened myself, but you're just making shit up with ZERO evidence to back up your claim.


    Given the lies that you tell about me, Chubby Smeagol, and the lies you told about Trayvon Martin that (wonderful, epic) Trayvon Martin thread, I'm afraid I don't take you seriously here, although admittedly, I have about zero respect for anything you post with the rare exception.

    I do know that Zimmerman killed the only reliable witness and I do know also that Zimmerman is a proven liar with a documented history of violence. I also can put two and two together. I wasn't at the Holocaust either -- that doesn't mean I should accept wholesale the Holocaust denial of Nazi sympathizers.

    Yes, we know Zimmerman said the kid we know he followed who we know found him creepy and who we know was running away to escape his creepiness suddenly "attacked him" leaving him no choice but to kill. Yes, a likely story, makes complete sense. Casey Anthony also said her daughter drowned and she didn't report it because...well just because. OJ Simpson said he wouldn't rest until he found the real killers. Murderous thugs/liars say a whole lot of things. As we know, gullible people fall for the things these thugs say. The rest of us can recognize when a story does not pass the smell test.

    I don't think you are smart at all, Chubby Smeagol, and I have experienced firsthand your complete lack of integrity when it comes to truth tell ("he ONLY posts on race threads" big fat mealy mouthed liar), so your inability to add two and two is not going to stop me from counting properly. Ever.

    Thanks though.
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    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.


    Which only shows how little you understand SYG in Florida which includes a duty to retreat (as per the changes made in 2005)


    Hardly matters when a stalker doesn't retreat then kills the only witness and lies about what actually happens.

    Either way, your assertion that SYG had nothing to do with the case was just wrong, like 99.99% of what you post.


    Except for the fact that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman - but why would you let facts get in the way? So no, SYG still doesn't have any bearing on the Zimmerman case.
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    Jul 24, 2013 1:11 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    Scruffypup said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 said
    TroyAthlete said
    riddler78 saidAnd yet, the instruction was useless for the very fact that according to Zimmerman's own account, he had no chance to retreat once he was attacked by Trayvon Martin. So no, SYG had nothing to do with the case.


    Lies, SYG was cited by juror B37. So, yes, SYG had everything to do with the case from jury instructions to jury deliberations.

    Zimmerman had chance to not profile an unarmed kid in the first place. Trayvon Martin had every right to stand his ground after being stalked, followed, and attacked by the gun toting, wife beating thug Zimmerman.


    Which only shows how little you understand SYG in Florida which includes a duty to retreat (as per the changes made in 2005)


    Hardly matters when a stalker doesn't retreat then kills the only witness and lies about what actually happens.

    Either way, your assertion that SYG had nothing to do with the case was just wrong, like 99.99% of what you post.



    Making up shit AGAIN. It's exhausting pointing out all of your lies and fantasies. You weren't there RuPaul. Zimmerman said Martin attacked HIM. Not that I know what happened myself, but you're just making shit up with ZERO evidence to back up your claim.


    I also can put two and two together. I wasn't at the Holocaust either -- that doesn't mean I should accept wholesale the Holocaust denial of Nazi sympathizers.


    There is a teeny tiny fact you're overlooking. Now listen very carefully because this will be a difficult concept for you to grasp, but.....the Holocaust had THOUSANDS of witnesses. Don't feel bad; anyone could have overlooked that. Anyone with a single digit I.Q. that is.
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    Jul 24, 2013 1:53 AM GMT
    i had heard this statistic but not from the daily caller.

    Seems like simple math. How many stand your ground cases since its existence.

    And what proportion are black , white , other.

    If blacks have a higher proportion of Stand your ground successful cases than the population then they benefit.

    Those statistics have to be available from some Florida public entity.