Italy's lower house is debating a bill that would criminalize homophobia

  • metta

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    Jul 23, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    Italy's lower house is debating a bill that would criminalize homophobia

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/italy-debates-gay-hate-crime-bill230713
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    Jul 23, 2013 4:14 PM GMT
    Thought police.

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    Is something lost in translation? I can understand a hate crime law but not a thought crime law.
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    Jul 23, 2013 7:42 PM GMT
    Is there a source that has a translation of the proposed law?
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    Jul 23, 2013 8:42 PM GMT
    Here's an idea, Italy: How about marriage equality instead?
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    Jul 24, 2013 2:44 AM GMT
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/23/italy-lower-house-of-the-italian-parliament-to-debate-anti-homophobia-bill/

    Most descriptive info I could find so far...

    "Several Catholic figures within his party are unhappy over proposals to criminalise homophobic discrimination.

    They have unsuccessfully called for a government moratorium on the issue.

    Italy currently has no protections against anti-gay discrimination in public, in the provision of goods and services or against hate speech."

    With this bill:
    Italians can think whatever, and say whatever they like to each other about gays, but not discriminate against them publicly etc. or promote hatred of them publicly. Go ahead, rant about the gays in churches, which are not public, but religious venues for followers.

    Kinda like Canada, eh?
  • Cutlass

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    Sep 08, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    We'll see how the r.c. church reacts to this. Remember, the new pope said the church will be focusing on social justice. True words, or just meaningless rhetoric.
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    Sep 08, 2013 4:30 AM GMT
    Stupid
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    Sep 08, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    The liberal PC police is taking over Italy. Take cover y'all
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    Sep 08, 2013 3:51 PM GMT

    To Future and Wicked...so you guys think gay people SHOULD be discriminated against publicly?

    Are you two good with gays being refused any kinds of goods and/or services because they are gay?

    My word...icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 08, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
    We have criminalized racial discrimination too. How's that working out?
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    Sep 08, 2013 3:55 PM GMT
    I definitely think it's a good think. Even if progress is slow, it should be commended.
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    Sep 08, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    ok I'll try to explain better
    1 - Chamber of Deputies and Senate have exactly the same prerogatives and powers. so there's no lower or upper Chamber. Yes, it's an expensive and useless duplicate (315 senators!)
    2- given the result of the latest elctions, there was no chance to create a clear centre-left or centre-right majority. The current government is therefore a big coalition including, left, centre and right parties, representing more than 70% of voters. Two of this parties, Berlusconi's PDL and former prime minister's Monti SC have a clear and direct connection with the Vatican, while half of the other one, PD, has deep catholic roots as well. Given this situation, even talking about equality, gay marriage or even a bill resembling the PACS that France had up until this summer, is impossible.
    3- the left wing of the more liberal party of the coalition, PD, therefore a minority of the whole party, is pushing to have this anti-homophobia bill passed through, as promised during the electoral campaign. But instead of having an extension of the current law punishing any kind of hate crime to the homophobic crimes as well, the catholics (2/3 of the current majority, plus the whole right-wing opposition) would prefer to have a very narrow definition of what "homophobic" means, therefore making it almost impossible to punish anything. It's classic move: make the definition as indefinite as possible, or as narrow as possible, so that in principle you do have a law, but in practice it's completely useless.
    4- Dario Franceschini is the former, not the current secretary of the Pd party. His place was taken by Mr Epifani.
    5- Italy is still a very homophobic, racist and narrow-minded country. Most voters don't live in the big cities, and those parties are trying to catch those votes.
  • creature

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    Sep 08, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    desertmuscl saidWe have criminalized racial discrimination too. How's that working out?


    Things are a lot better than the 60s. Thanks for asking.
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    Sep 08, 2013 10:35 PM GMT
    creature said
    desertmuscl saidWe have criminalized racial discrimination too. How's that working out?


    Things are a lot better than the 60s. Thanks for asking.


    I disagree. The vast majority of conservative Republicans want racial discrimination and general hatred to live forever.

    How dare someone look, act and be different from them!
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
    Here is the original text of the proposed bill:

    http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg17/lavori/stampati/pdf/17PDL0003090.pdf

    It is simply extending existing protections against discrimination. Until now, race, ethnicity, nationality, and religious affiliation were protected categories. If passed, this bill would add sexual orientation to the list.

    End of story. Nothing about thought crimes.

    The list of sponsors (at the beginning of the PDF) indicates that the bill has broad bipartisan support.
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
    Philibuster saidThought police.

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    Is something lost in translation? I can understand a hate crime law but not a thought crime law.

    Exactly. People hate, get over it.
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:39 PM GMT
    themachine saidHere is the original text of the proposed bill:

    http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg17/lavori/stampati/pdf/17PDL0003090.pdf

    It is simply extending existing protections against discrimination. Until now, race, ethnicity, nationality, and religious affiliation were protected categories. If passed, this bill would add sexual orientation to the list.

    End of story. Nothing about thought crimes.

    The list of sponsors (at the beginning of the PDF) indicates that the bill has broad bipartisan support.


    that's exactly the point. this is the original proposal, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Amendments coming from the centre-wing parties show that support towards an extension of the Mancino law against hate crimes is very little. Yet they make it look like a way to preserve freedom of speech. And of course there's nothing about thought crimes, that would be ridicolous, even here.
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:55 PM GMT
    Philibuster saidThought police.

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    Is something lost in translation? I can understand a hate crime law but not a thought crime law.


    I'm pretty sure Star Trek had an episode about a civilization of telepaths that had criminalized negative thoughts, and there was an underground black market for violent thoughts that people would share with each other like it was some kind of drug.