President Obama's speech

  • JuneauMike

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    Jul 23, 2013 8:36 PM GMT
    I believe that President Obama did a great job of explaining the context of why the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, over the death of Trayvon Martin, bothered so many people. While not criticizing the verdict itself, he put the issue of the trial and race relations in general in the context of those who have historically faced the most discrimination.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin_could_have_been_me_35_years_ago

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    Jul 23, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    And in the process he fanned the flames. Good move for a chief executive.
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    Jul 23, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidAnd in the process he fanned the flames. Good move for a chief executive.


    It's not like he is a constitutional monarch, who must be above politics.
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    Jul 23, 2013 11:28 PM GMT
    I thought the speech didn't do anything good for the country. However, it does help energize his base (what's left of it). He's now at 41% approval rating and sinking fast.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 23, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
    failscarf said
    Blakes7 saidAnd in the process he fanned the flames. Good move for a chief executive.


    Obama is under a microscope if you haven't noticed. I think he has tried the silent is golden tactic before, but now its like damned if you do......


    No it's not: it's only damned if you do among nutty right-wing conservatives.

    Everybody else got it. It's only Republicans who are mystified, but then again, that's why they can't convince anybody besides ignorant freaks to vote for them.
  • conservativej...

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    Jul 23, 2013 11:45 PM GMT
    I think President Obama did an admirably job of relating to Black America that he understood their concerns. He did not however address the cause of both black and white Americans locking car doors as young black teens approached along the street. Truth is sometimes an illusive thing.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Jul 24, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    RoseyEasy saidI thought the speech didn't do anything good for the country. However, it does help energize his base (what's left of it). He's now at 41% approval rating and sinking fast.

    In your dreams. But thanks for the right-wing talking point! They're always amusing.


    I guess they think Obama's approval rating is going to help them beat Hillary in 2016 *not*
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    Jul 24, 2013 2:15 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    RoseyEasy saidI thought the speech didn't do anything good for the country. However, it does help energize his base (what's left of it). He's now at 41% approval rating and sinking fast.

    In your dreams. But thanks for the right-wing talking point! They're always amusing.


    What are you questioning? That his approval rating is 41% or that his approval rating is sinking quickly? Or that his speech energized his base?

    Here is the link to the poll from Marist.

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/723-obama-approval-rating-lowest-in-almost-two-years/

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    Jul 24, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    RoseyEasy saidI thought the speech didn't do anything good for the country. However, it does help energize his base (what's left of it). He's now at 41% approval rating and sinking fast.

    In your dreams. But thanks for the right-wing talking point! They're always amusing.


    And, the schadenfreude from knowing that the Conservapussies® continue to whine, cry, and moan is just so delicious! jajaja!

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    Jul 24, 2013 7:09 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    Aristoshark said
    RoseyEasy saidI thought the speech didn't do anything good for the country. However, it does help energize his base (what's left of it). He's now at 41% approval rating and sinking fast.

    In your dreams. But thanks for the right-wing talking point! They're always amusing.


    And, the schadenfreude from knowing that the Conservapussies® continue to whine, cry, and moan is just so delicious! jajaja!

    @Conservapussies® - Cry us a fcuking river!
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    Heh - the fact you characterize the underlying point that Obama's ratings are circling the drain as "whining" is pretty tortured logic albeit amusing.

    It also underscores why he's had to resort to race baiting considering everything else that's happening.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 24, 2013 7:13 AM GMT
    ^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.
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    Jul 24, 2013 7:14 AM GMT
    HottJoe said^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.


    Except well for the underlying fact that the Zimmerman case had little if anything to do with race except for the parts that were manufactured by the Administration et al. But again, that's why they need the case to be about race. Look at everything else around him that's happening.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 24, 2013 7:23 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.


    Except well for the underlying fact that the Zimmerman case had little if anything to do with race except for the parts that were manufactured by the Administration et al. But again, that's why they need the case to be about race. Look at everything else around him that's happening.

    I think Martin was racially profiled. You don't. Regardless, Obama was talking about why the African American community reacts strongly to cases like these, in a general sense. He was speaking from personal experience, and to that end, Zimmerman is beside the point.
  • JuneauMike

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    Jul 24, 2013 7:31 AM GMT
    HottJoe said^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.


    Well said! I totally agree.
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    Jul 24, 2013 7:42 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    riddler78 said
    HottJoe said^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.


    Except well for the underlying fact that the Zimmerman case had little if anything to do with race except for the parts that were manufactured by the Administration et al. But again, that's why they need the case to be about race. Look at everything else around him that's happening.

    I think Martin was racially profiled. You don't. Regardless, Obama was talking about why the African American community reacts strongly to cases like these, in a general sense. He was speaking from personal experience, and to that end, Zimmerman is beside the point.


    Again, even the FBI noted that if there was profiling it likely had to do with the hoodie over the color of his skin. What doesn't seem to get reported:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/07/21/how_media_lies_have_distorted_a_tragedy_119311.html

    This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant’s son getting away with beating a homeless black man.

    This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that “Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.” Actually, only six calls—two of them about Trayvon Martin—had to do with African-American men. At least three involved complaints about whites; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog.

    In this narrative, even Zimmerman’s concern for a black child—a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, “compl[ainant] concerned for well-being”—has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as “an edgy basket case” who called 911 about “the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.” This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

    Accounts of the incident itself have also been wrapped in false narrative—including such egregious distortions as NBC’s edited audio of Zimmerman’s 911 call which made him appear to say that Martin was “up to no good” because “he looks black.” (In fact, Zimmerman explained that Martin was “walking around and looking about” in the rain, and mentioned his race—of which he initially seemed unsure—only in response to the dispatcher’s question.)


    The reason why the African American community - or at least a vocal few do, in cases like this is because of plain demagoguery of some to further a political objective. To suggest that this is a good time to have a conversation about race is sheer demagoguery (ie "Who cares about the facts? I'm glad you listened to my race baiting earlier since I could have been Trayvon, nevermind that I supported Stand Your Ground in Illinois, the fact that I've been able to whip you up into a frenzy is a fantastic opportunity to talk about the things I want to talk about".

    Again, little wonder that Obama would rather talk about this - a made up slight, than all the other scandals engulfing his administration.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 24, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    HottJoe said^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.



    I agree with ^^this^^. I actually thought it was a good speech. I've always thought some of Obama's best speeches are ones not read from a teleprompter, but rather spoken from the heart and his own life experiences. That being said, the race-baiting surrounding this case was already overwrought long before the case ever went to trial.
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    Jul 24, 2013 2:09 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HottJoe said^It wasn't race baiting! It was heartfelt and truthful.



    I agree with ^^this^^. I actually thought it was a good speech. I've always thought some of Obama's best speeches are ones not read from a teleprompter, but rather spoken from the heart and his own life experiences. That being said, the race-baiting surrounding this case was already overwrought long before the case ever went to trial.


    And that was in no small part due to the efforts of the Obama Administration. You can both believe it was a good speech and acknowledge it was race baiting.
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    Jul 24, 2013 3:56 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    GAMRican said
    Aristoshark said
    RoseyEasy saidI thought the speech didn't do anything good for the country. However, it does help energize his base (what's left of it). He's now at 41% approval rating and sinking fast.

    In your dreams. But thanks for the right-wing talking point! They're always amusing.


    And, the schadenfreude from knowing that the Conservapussies® continue to whine, cry, and moan is just so delicious! jajaja!

    @Conservapussies® - Cry us a fcuking river!
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    Heh - the fact you characterize the underlying point that Obama's ratings are circling the drain as "whining" is pretty tortured logic albeit amusing.

    It also underscores why he's had to resort to race baiting considering everything else that's happening.


    I still would like to know what AristShark meant with his remark.

    What are you questioning - that the presidents approval rating is 41% or that his approval rating is sinking quickly?

    Or that his speech energized his base?

    Here is the link to the poll from Marist.

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/723-obama-approval-rating-lowest-in-almost-two-years/
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    Jul 27, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidAnd in the process he fanned the flames. Good move for a chief executive.


    I agree, Obama has helped to make things much worse in regards to race, not better.