Why did the Mormons spend millions on CA's Prop 8 Issue?

  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 11, 2008 1:52 AM GMT
    So why did the Mormons make this their issue?

    I was driving back home from my American Literature class and it profoundly occurred to me as to why would the Mormon Church spend millions of dollars on Prop 8.

    I think the answer lies in what happened earlier this year. Mitt Romney, one of the Republican presidential candidates, was questioned whether his Mormon religion was Christian enough for him to serve as President of the United States. Enough pressure was put on him, to convince the religious right that he was Christian enough, that he gave a speech about his Mormon religion and how he would serve as President and as a participant of that religion. It was as if he was on trial for being a Mormon. Actually, the Mormon Church was on trial and he was their "spokesperson." Eventually, Romney was not nominated as the Republican nominee.

    I think that the Mormon Church acted on Prop 8 in order to prove to the religious right that they were 1) Christian and 2) on board with the Conservative Movement that has engulfed the Republican Party at its own detriment.


    With this revelation, it is ever more clear that it is not Republicanism itself that is impeding gay rights, but the Conservative Movement from the religious right that is doing this. The Republican Party is the host and Fundamental Christianity is the parasite.
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    Nov 11, 2008 4:38 AM GMT
    You know this was common knowledge way before I had even heard of Romney.

    I think I first learned about it, when I was reading about a LDS who commited suiside on his chapels steps. When he found out his religion had this on it's agenda. Oh this young man was also a closeted homosexual too, and a tortured soul at that.

    The Mormons hold marriage in very high esteem. it's what so much of their Temple work is all about, but not all. So they feel, to let Adam and Steve too have this right will do nothing but demoralize the intrusion of marriage. They do have the right to feel that way, and too spend their money how ever they want.

    Since I myself have two long term relationships. Marriage can never be on my agenda, nor civil Unions, as they too only allow you to seal yourself to one person, and not two or more. So us guys who are blessed to be loved by more than one person, are even further behind the 8 ball than some person with only one person who loves em! But I'm sure they don't care about us, so long as they get what they want...........
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    Nov 11, 2008 5:37 AM GMT
    If you study Morman history you will see that they are not naive and have long term goals which puts them in a very different strata then young liberals with issues of the month and nebulous goals. They are fronting a massive long term PR campaign to appear mainstream. They could not spend a dime on "No on Prop 8" because they have 100,000 +members in polygamist relationships and the media would have a field day on that.

    Supporting "Yes on Prop 8* was just the nudge required to radicalize gay people to do their bidding for them. Considering their history they could never strike down traditional marriage. Now it will fall into place as a matter of course and they can focus on the next phase.
  • kinetic

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    Nov 11, 2008 8:53 AM GMT
    Anyone see Latter Days? lol
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    Nov 11, 2008 9:13 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidIf you study Morman history you will see that they are not naive and have long term goals which puts them in a very different strata then young liberals with issues of the month and nebulous goals. They are fronting a massive long term PR campaign to appear mainstream. They could not spend a dime on "No on Prop 8" because they have 100,000 +members in polygamist relationships and the media would have a field day on that.

    Supporting "Yes on Prop 8* was just the nudge required to radicalize gay people to do their bidding for them. Considering their history they could never strike down traditional marriage. Now it will fall into place as a matter of course and they can focus on the next phase.


    The polygamist are not apart of mainstream LDS. They are FLDS. The f stands for fundamentalist. When Joseph Smith was lynched, and murded with his brother. The church split. The FLDS never took on Brigham Young as their leader, as they believed the head of the Church should be passed on to father, and son.

    What is now known as Mainstream Mormons, the LDS. To have Utah as a State of the USA. They agreed to give up polygamy. it took time, but now the LDS only have one wife here on earth, but in heaven they can have more than one wife. So if your wife dies, and you wed again, and she then dies too, and you wed again. So long as you have been sealed to them in the Temple you have 3 wives in heaven.

    But if you die first, and you wife weds again. Now she either has to get a temple divorce from you, to be sealed to her new husband, as women can only have one husband.

    Ive been getting BIG LOVE out on DVD. it's all about the FLDS, and it's very clear how the LDS despise them, and just wish they would go away.

    The Mormons have been very successful in integrating into mainstream America, and the world. Considering the US government wanted too exterminate them.

    Mormons are the fastest growing religion. Some may say oh no, it's the born again. But they are a collective of a number of religions. The LDS are one.

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    Nov 11, 2008 10:25 AM GMT
    Mormons and religion = ignorance.
    The problem is that it is willful.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 11, 2008 10:54 AM GMT
    The Mormon Church has always been vehemently anti-Gay
    The other part of it is proximity
    Calif is much closer to Utah - the epicenter of the church's power
    Those two together are the likely reasons why the church went after this so strongly
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    Nov 11, 2008 11:06 AM GMT
    Oh my gosh.. why being christian is a requirement to become the president of the United States ? How bout other religions or maybe Atheists or Agnostics..
    Is someone's capability to lead a country determined by his/her religion ? I see another discrimination here..

    I think the president must be christian thing is just silly..
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    Nov 11, 2008 12:26 PM GMT
    nautilie7 said, "Oh my gosh.. why being christian is a requirement to become the president of the United States ? How bout other religions or maybe Atheists or Agnostics..
    Is someone's capability to lead a country determined by his/her religion ? I see another discrimination here..

    I think the president must be christian thing is just silly.."



    Silly or not, a poll was done earlier last year and most Americans would not vote an Atheist into the White House. http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/black_president_more_likely_than_mormon_or_atheist_/

    I've read somewhere else that 90% of Americans would not vote for an Atheist.
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    Nov 11, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
    Let's compare that 90% to literacy rates in the U.S.
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    Nov 12, 2008 4:45 AM GMT
    The final punch I found with the discussion on homosexuality with the Mormons was: Well it's against the law anyway. They don't pratic polygamy anymore because it's against the law.

    So to let gays wed, would take away that punch, as they look at any sex outside of Marriage wrong, even str8 sex. Sop for Adam and Steve to wed, their sex would be done in the realm of marriage, thus no wrong has been done.