Louisiana Police Arrest Men For Agreeing To Consensual Gay Sex Under Unconstitutional Sodomy Laws

  • metta

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    Jul 28, 2013 3:26 PM GMT
    Louisiana Police Arrest Men For Agreeing To Consensual Gay Sex Under Unconstitutional Sodomy Laws

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/07/28/2366811/louisiana-sodomy-law-arrests/
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    Jul 28, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    wow
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    Jul 28, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
    I had no idea they could arrest for laws stricken down by the Supreme Court.

    If the Supreme Court says sex is not illegal but if a cop arrests someone for proposing sex, isn't that chaos? Why then would schools have to desegregate just because the Supreme Court says so?

    Could civil suit be brought to force law makers to remove bad laws from the books?

    Googling I just found this

    http://www.alternet.org/are-states-still-enforcing-unconstitutional-sodomy-laws
    In spite of the 2003 Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas that ruled sodomy laws were unconstitutional, many states still have them on the books and continue to selectively enforce them

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    Jul 28, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    What's it going to take to make them stop?
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    Jul 28, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
    How is this possible? What good is a Supreme Court ruling if states are allowed to disobey them?
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    Jul 28, 2013 4:55 PM GMT
    theantijock saidI had no idea they could arrest for laws stricken down by the Supreme Court.

    If the Supreme Court says sex is not illegal but if a cop arrests someone for proposing sex, isn't that chaos? Why then would schools have to desegregate just because the Supreme Court says so?

    Could civil suit be brought to force law makers to remove bad laws from the books?

    Googling I just found this

    http://www.alternet.org/are-states-still-enforcing-unconstitutional-sodomy-laws
    In spite of the 2003 Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas that ruled sodomy laws were unconstitutional, many states still have them on the books and continue to selectively enforce them


    If my history classes serve me, desegregation was enforced by the President JFK sending in the National Guard to make sure they were desegregated.

    The Supreme Court has no power other then to say what is and isn't Constitutional and have no means of enforcing it. Thus far, Presidents Bush nor Obama have enforced this decision. IF they disobey the Supreme Court then it would be disobeying the Constitution and have grounds for impeachment.
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    Jul 28, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    Sounds like another phony scandal due to global climate warming.
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    Jul 28, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
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    Jul 28, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    IceBuckets saidIf my history classes serve me, desegregation was enforced by the President JFK sending in the National Guard to make sure they were desegregated.

    The Supreme Court has no power other then to say what is and isn't Constitutional and have no means of enforcing it. Thus far, Presidents Bush nor Obama have enforced this decision. IF they disobey the Supreme Court then it would be disobeying the Constitution and have grounds for impeachment.


    Yet there are lots of dumb laws still on the books but not enforced and we wouldn't expect them to be. So maybe not at the constitutional level but functionally similar. What mechanism forces the federal hand to act?

    Apparently not just the ruling itself or the arrests wouldn't be occurring.
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    Jul 28, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Riders
    Freedom Riders were civil rights activists who rode interstate buses into the segregated southern United States in 1961 and following years to challenge the non-enforcement of the United States Supreme Court decisions Irene Morgan v. Commonwealth of Virginia (1946) and Boynton v. Virginia (1960),[1] which ruled that segregated public buses were unconstitutional.[2] The Southern states had ignored the rulings and the federal government did nothing to enforce them.

    We should form the Free To Cruise Cruisers. Or we can send in the Stonewall drag queens and call it the Free to Cruise Bruisers.
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    Jul 28, 2013 6:27 PM GMT
    I think the only way to get them to stop is to go after their money. First, sue the police department our of every cent they have for arresting and fining people under laws that they know have been stricken down. Second, petition to restrict federal and state funding of a police department that is knowingly breaking the US Constitution.
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    Jul 28, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
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  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 28, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
    They were doing the same here in CS in the Palmer Park area when I first moved here in . One guy, I knew, got arrested with another guy because they were holding hands and kissing. I think eventually it all went to court. I can't remember what all happened, but I believe they told the police they had to stop targeting homosexuals because they were not doing the same with straight couples.
  • hebrewman

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    Jul 28, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    AND THIS SURPRISES ANYONE BECAUSE.......? the right to an abortion is also sanctioned by the SCOUS. and yet, there are republican states after republican states that are ramming through laws to basically negate a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy. hell, they are even ramming through laws that REQUIRE an invasive ultrasound and have the abortion physicians out right lie to the patient about having one.

    if i'm not mistaken, louisiana is led by a republican governor?
  • conservativej...

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    Jul 28, 2013 7:15 PM GMT
    Why should it surprise anyone in America that Louisiana police are arrested gay men for soliciting consenual sex? All levels of government in America today routinely ignore SCOTUS rulings, laws passed by Congress and signed by a sitting President, and a whole host of other laws and rulings. Look no further than The Afforadable Care Act and the delay of exchanges for small businesses. The President's own party basically said, "Mr. President, do what you want to do."

    The sad part of this is the vast majority of Americans are very much unlike I who chose to move on and return to the ancestral home of my family. I live in a country that has a direct democracy. No bullshit from a congressman of either party. There is no choice for career politicians to pander and float themselves on a cloud of dollars while the average Joe foots the bill and suffers the consequences.

    There is no way out for America. You've voted against your own best inerests for decades. Every time you vote for someone you think is going to protect gay men, in reality you just vote for the same old stinking government that got you where you are today.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Jul 28, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    Oops. I guess no one told them about Lawrence v. Texas....
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    Jul 28, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    It is the same in left-wing states. Small governments and bureaucracies pass all kinds of illegal laws and rules. As long as they target people who don't have the time and money to fight it in the courts, they get away with it.

    For example, where I live, it is technically illegal to have "any gathering of three or more people" on private property without a government permit. The application fee is $1000. I'd just love to have them try to enforce that one on me.
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    Jul 28, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
    Philibuster saidWhat's it going to take to make them stop?


    Civil Rights lawsuits against the City of Baton Rouge.
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    Jul 28, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    Good reason to avoid the south. Them and y'alls crazy laws...
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    Jul 28, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
    Another test case, just as the Texas case was.
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    Jul 28, 2013 8:35 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidIt is the same in left-wing states. Small governments and bureaucracies pass all kinds of illegal laws and rules. As long as they target people who don't have the time and money to fight it in the courts, they get away with it.

    For example, where I live, it is technically illegal to have "any gathering of three or more people" on private property without a government permit. The application fee is $1000. I'd just love to have them try to enforce that one on me.


    But your odd law, if it truly exists, does not lead to headlines like:

    Louisiana Police Arrest Men For Agreeing To Consensual Gay Sex Under Unconstitutional Sodomy Laws

    And that is the difference between living in a left-wing state and a right-wing state.

  • metta

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    Jul 29, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    Sheriff Claims He Didn't Know Anti-Sodomy Laws Weren't Valid Anymore

    The U.S. Supreme Court invalidated anti-sodomy laws in 2003 but this sheriff says he didn't get the memo.

    http://www.advocate.com/crime/2013/07/29/sheriff-claims-he-didnt-know-anti-sodomy-laws-werent-valid-anymore
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    Jul 29, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    IceBuckets said
    If my history classes serve me, desegregation was enforced by the President JFK sending in the National Guard to make sure they were desegregated.

    The Supreme Court has no power other then to say what is and isn't Constitutional and have no means of enforcing it. Thus far, Presidents Bush nor Obama have enforced this decision. IF they disobey the Supreme Court then it would be disobeying the Constitution and have grounds for impeachment.


    This is correct. The decisions of the courts are meaningless without enforcement. None of the major networks like CNN have picked up on this from what I can see so I'm not sure the President will involve himself. Some of the internet news bits I've found say the Louisiana police claimed they didn't about the courts decision. Honestly that doesn't surprise me.
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    Jul 29, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    Just amazing that they are concerned about this taking place in a "park", yet they are spending taxpayer dollars on stings for this "crime". This "crime" that hurts absolutely no one. This "crime" that is between two consensual adults, in private.
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    Jul 29, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    ECnAZ saidJust amazing that they are concerned about this taking place in a "park", yet they are spending taxpayer dollars on stings for this "crime". This "crime" that hurts absolutely no one. This "crime" that is between two consensual adults, in private.


    If I steal naked pictures of underage kids then try to sell it in a park that is a crime despite the fact it isn't hurting anyone.