Steroid experience, from start to finish

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    Nov 11, 2008 3:54 PM GMT
    This Canadian guy on has been hitting the roids for 10 weeks. He's made a reality TV show about it Youtube.

    In his (very funny) videos he gives all the pros and cons, plus you can see the difference.

    He's hardly a body builder, but he seems like I cool guy. I think I've got the hots for him.

    Funny vid....



    His channel

    http://www.youtube.com/user/steroidssavedmylife
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    Nov 11, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    ^ Yeah, on his channel forum there's rumours about the big guy 'Mr Fantastic' in the vids being arrested for it.

    It's not true though, they come back week after week.

    I like the line 'one of the side effects of steroids is that you get a tan.'

    Very funny.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Nov 11, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
    He wasn't remotely close to his natural maximum at the start of that video. If people are going to juice they should do it correctly.

    Eating more probably would have gotten him further.
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    Nov 12, 2008 11:13 AM GMT
    If you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.
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    Nov 12, 2008 11:29 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidIf you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.



    First, the guy in the video is trying to improve his life through improving his body, that's something we can all identify with on Realjock.

    Second, the guy quite clearly has not made himself unwell. Testosterone does not kill you in moderation, there's no reason to assume he's going to juice his whole life.

    Third, the guy is just trying to take control of his life. He does look far better and in the other videos, he tells us he has girlfriend, feels more confident etc

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    Nov 12, 2008 11:45 AM GMT
    I respect all of your opinions-

    But I have NO respect for anyone that tries to build muscles through steriods. NONE. It is fake and it is cheap. I have NO respect for steriod users. If it does not help build cheap muscles fast, why use them?

    I not only have no respect for roid users, I have contempt. They want what I have worked hard for. Instant muscles. How sad. When they go off their cycles, do they still have those muscles? When they cannot find their dealers, will they still have those muscles?

    I will. I detest steriod users. I worked hard for my muscles. I did not take a shot in the ass to get them. They are functional. I am strong as hell. I earned them. I have nothing but contempt for roid users.
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    Nov 12, 2008 11:49 AM GMT
    Take testosterone in moderation. Whatever. It is fake. It is bs. Unless you take it for a real medical reason, it is fake. It is BS. Some of us work for our muscles. The rest are all posers.
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    Nov 12, 2008 1:47 PM GMT
    The truth is that a lot of guys on roids work really hard and look after themselves. There's two ways to look huge...

    1) The most impressive way. Have good genetics, have strict diet and work hard at the gym.

    2) As with 1) but without the genetics and taking roids.

    This guy is too big to be natural. Do you really think he is lazy with diet and in the gym?

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    Obviously getting that big is unhealthy. It's not lazy though.

    Personally I've never done roids, although I've thought about it alot and I may do in the future. I have no moral problems with it.
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    Nov 12, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidIf you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.


    We all know the only reason juice is a controlled substance is because some skinny, insecure gay guy who either couldn't afford to use it or pissed off anyone willing to show him how to use it or where to get it went to mommy and threw a fit.

    So now it's illegal and all of a sudden football has become less interesting, pro wrestling's loaded with old fat guys, baseball is getting more boring than it ever could have been, and all the men in this country are suddenly anorexic.

    Thanks, queen.
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    Nov 14, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    Here's something to ponder, mentioned in Bigger, Stronger, Faster (the movie).

    If we train at high altitude to raise our EPO that's not against the rules, but, nonetheless acheives a similiar effect.

    If we train with certain junk chemicals we can raise our EPO. That, too, is not against the rules.

    If we re-inject our own blood, that's against the rules.

    If we take a hormone to raise our EPO, that's against the rules.

    All four methods have about the same outcome, but, unless we all move to the high Rockies, most of us can't raise our EPO via that method, yet, those who would take meds to raise their EPO hormonally would catch flack.

    If you watched the movie, you'll find out that some of the folks, like Carl Lewis, actually failed the test many more times than Ben Johnson, but, were given special exceptions (the results were blown off). Now, if that's not a farce, what is?

    Technology, in its many forms (equipment, clothing, methods, bats, sticks, balls, coffee, etc.) has been used in sport performance since the very beginning of time. That application of technology is not cheating. To use technology to perform at a higher level is something that comes to humans very naturally. Coffee, EPO, stimulatants, hormones, all allow us to train longer, and harder, and to achiever higher recovery and performance.

    An aspirin is not "natural", but, testosterone is. One can bleed to death with aspirin. One can have severe liver damage with Tylenol. Does that happen with tesosterone? Of course not. Nothing could be more natural. It's what makes men men.

    When the 1991 Omnibus Drug bill was passed, and more specfically when the NCAA started testing, athletes quit using the safer hormones like test and its deratives, and moved to GH and harsher stuff in order to beat the test. Olympic athletes have been using an oral form of trenbolone ("the clear") now for years, because it would beat the test, even though orals are far often hepatoxic because of the way they have to made to pass through the GI system.

    It's strange that the question isn't raised as much with women and their various hormones and comestic procedures but folks cling to a falsehood that their best athletes don't embrace technology to enhance their game. Many of them do.

    Tiger Woods had LASIX, an unnatural process, to give him 20/15 vision for his golf. Is that cheating? What about the bikers that can't afford the team that Lance Armstrong has? Is that cheating?

    The "haters" as the guy is here, really don't think through the big picture, prey on misinformation about reality, and the dangers of use, and lash out. Ironically, the haters often are among the folks that finally embrace the idea in middle age when they find they want to feel better, look better, perform better, and prevent diseases of aging. Go figure.

    Like the "moonshine" days of alcohol probhition, forcing stuff underground has made it more dangerous to the user, ruined countless lives, and limited research. Clearly, not clear thinking.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Nov 14, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    Lets call a stone a stone. Taking steroids is cheating. Although I'm not into body builders, I could admire a guy the works to get the body he has, but I could not and don't admire those that cheat with steroids to get the body they have.

    I don't admire cheaters.
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    Nov 14, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidHere's something to ponder, mentioned in Bigger, Stronger, Faster (the movie).

    If we train at high altitude to raise our EPO that's not against the rules, but, nonetheless acheives a similiar effect.

    If we train with certain junk chemicals we can raise our EPO. That, too, is not against the rules.

    If we re-inject our own blood, that's against the rules.

    If we take a hormone to raise our EPO, that's against the rules.

    All four methods have about the same outcome, but, unless we all move to the high Rockies, most of us can't raise our EPO via that method, yet, those who would take meds to raise their EPO hormonally would catch flack.

    If you watched the movie, you'll find out that some of the folks, like Carl Lewis, actually failed the test many more times than Ben Johnson, but, were given special exceptions (the results were blown off). Now, if that's not a farce, what is?

    Technology, in its many forms (equipment, clothing, methods, bats, sticks, balls, coffee, etc.) has been used in sport performance since the very beginning of time. That application of technology is not cheating. To use technology to perform at a higher level is something that comes to humans very naturally. Coffee, EPO, stimulatants, hormones, all allow us to train longer, and harder, and to achiever higher recovery and performance.

    An aspirin is not "natural", but, testosterone is. One can bleed to death with aspirin. One can have severe liver damage with Tylenol. Does that happen with tesosterone? Of course not. Nothing could be more natural. It's what makes men men.

    When the 1991 Omnibus Drug bill was passed, and more specfically when the NCAA started testing, athletes quit using the safer hormones like test and its deratives, and moved to GH and harsher stuff in order to beat the test. Olympic athletes have been using an oral form of trenbolone ("the clear") now for years, because it would beat the test, even though orals are far often hepatoxic because of the way they have to made to pass through the GI system.

    It's strange that the question isn't raised as much with women and their various hormones and comestic procedures but folks cling to a falsehood that their best athletes don't embrace technology to enhance their game. Many of them do.

    Tiger Woods had LASIX, an unnatural process, to give him 20/15 vision for his golf. Is that cheating? What about the bikers that can't afford the team that Lance Armstrong has? Is that cheating?

    The "haters" as the guy is here, really don't think through the big picture, prey on misinformation about reality, and the dangers of use, and lash out. Ironically, the haters often are among the folks that finally embrace the idea in middle age when they find they want to feel better, look better, perform better, and prevent diseases of aging. Go figure.

    Like the "moonshine" days of alcohol probhition, forcing stuff underground has made it more dangerous to the user, ruined countless lives, and limited research. Clearly, not clear thinking.


    I've read that Aspirin if discovered today, wouldn't meet the current FDA standards for new drugs, the range between a therapeutic and lethal dosage is too narrow and there are too many side effects.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:51 AM GMT
    MikePhilPerez saidLets call a stone a stone. Taking steroids is cheating. Although I'm not into body builders, I could admire a guy the works to get the body he has, but I could not and don't admire those that cheat with steroids to get the body they have.

    I don't admire cheaters.


    I know where you are coming from; but I think it's only cheating if you lie about it.

    You could possibly argue you are cheating yourself, or Darwin (!), but basically if people are straight up about it and know the risks, I don't see why they shouldn't take steroids.

    I actually think the lad in the video is very brave.
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    Nov 14, 2008 11:12 AM GMT
    Heroine and cocaine is very natural too, it's made from plants so it should be OK to use them right! icon_rolleyes.gif

    But BEWARE of the very dangerous and unnatural ASPIRINE icon_eek.gif
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Nov 14, 2008 6:32 PM GMT
    I give that kid points for outing himself about using steroids. True, they are not for everyone. And one should educate oneself as much as possible before using them. Not everyone can get as far as he wants naturally. Body type and genetics play a big role in how far and how fast you progress. Steroids, gh & igf-1 will push you past your normal limitations - if that's what you want. This kid is a classic ectomorph, was obviously unhappy about his natural body, and any natural progress would take forever. So he took a shortcut, and he's happy he did. Yes, they are cheating if you want to get snippy about it. And if you care enough to be bothered by it, but it's only your opinion. My opinion in favor of them is as valid as someone's against them. It's a personal choice. If you don't like steroids - don't use them. Same thing I say about abortion.
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    Nov 14, 2008 6:45 PM GMT
    Steroids are to bodybuilding what Big Macs are to nutrition. Gratifying in the short-term, but it'll fuck ya up beyond that.
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    Nov 14, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidI respect all of your opinions-

    But I have NO respect for anyone that tries to build muscles through steriods. NONE. It is fake and it is cheap. I have NO respect for steriod users. If it does not help build cheap muscles fast, why use them?

    I not only have no respect for roid users, I have contempt. They want what I have worked hard for. Instant muscles. How sad. When they go off their cycles, do they still have those muscles? When they cannot find their dealers, will they still have those muscles?

    I will. I detest steriod users. I worked hard for my muscles. I did not take a shot in the ass to get them. They are functional. I am strong as hell. I earned them. I have nothing but contempt for roid users.


    Someone has way to high of an opinion of themselves.
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    Nov 14, 2008 7:28 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidIf you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.


    Says the guys with perfect muscle building genetics. Problem is, we are not all created equally.

    Whatever people do is their own prerogative and their own life. They have their reasons.
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    Nov 14, 2008 7:31 PM GMT
    It was a pretty funny video but the long term effects of what he's doing might not be so funny.

    Props for being open about it. Maybe other guys will learn something from this but I doubt it. The video seemed to glorify steroid use. I felt myself several times durring the video tempted to go over to the dark side, however as many have replied here its cheap and fake and i'd feel better knowing I made my body better on my own hard work.
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    Nov 14, 2008 7:57 PM GMT
    My brother once described all the potential long-term side effects of steroid use. I would rather be the 98-lb weakling thanks.
  • musclexxx

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    Nov 14, 2008 8:01 PM GMT
    dont u all realize that every NPC competitor is on juice... and even when it is an "all Natural" competition, it only means you have to have been clean for the prior year!... u used to compete in the 90's and know for a fact that all mr olympia contestants were heavy juicers ........ Get Real... do you think those bodies were just from hard work......... LMAO!
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    Nov 14, 2008 8:22 PM GMT
    *shrug* If you research the stuff, aren't a dumbass who abuses them, and are fully willing to accept and take responsibility for any side effects, then more power to you.

    I saw Bigger, Faster, Stronger* recently as well. There was a slight bias, but I was rather impressed with how level it was, particularly since I've been anti-roids since I did a report on the stuff in high school, and it made me question whether they've been demonized much in the way pot has.

    A lot of the points Chucky made are taken from the film and are really worth considering: at what point does technology cross over from being an adaptation (aerodynamic bikes, shark suits, weighted bats) or an improvement (i.e., Tiger's LASIK) to cheating? What makes it cheating? Just being illegal?

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    Nov 14, 2008 8:25 PM GMT
    AMT87 said
    I've read that Aspirin if discovered today, wouldn't meet the current FDA standards for new drugs, the range between a therapeutic and lethal dosage is too narrow and there are too many side effects.


    Yeah, Tylenol is the same way. I think it's the most (if not one of the most) hepatoxic chemicals one can take.
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    Nov 14, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
    Steroids = cheating? Last time I checked, cheating's a deliberate attempt to hinder your opponent.
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    Nov 15, 2008 10:29 AM GMT
    If you need to take steriods for personal reasons, I have no problem with that. Steriods are a good thing used for the right reasons. Nobody should fear them. They serve a good purpose for people that need them for medical reasons.