He really was too skinny for that height before he gained some size. He does look a lot better. Pretty ballsy to be showing his face and talking so openly about it.
If you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.
Triggerman saidIf you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.
First, the guy in the video is trying to improve his life through improving his body, that's something we can all identify with on Realjock.
Second, the guy quite clearly has not made himself unwell. Testosterone does not kill you in moderation, there's no reason to assume he's going to juice his whole life.
Third, the guy is just trying to take control of his life. He does look far better and in the other videos, he tells us he has girlfriend, feels more confident etc
But I have NO respect for anyone that tries to build muscles through steriods. NONE. It is fake and it is cheap. I have NO respect for steriod users. If it does not help build cheap muscles fast, why use them?
I not only have no respect for roid users, I have contempt. They want what I have worked hard for. Instant muscles. How sad. When they go off their cycles, do they still have those muscles? When they cannot find their dealers, will they still have those muscles?
I will. I detest steriod users. I worked hard for my muscles. I did not take a shot in the ass to get them. They are functional. I am strong as hell. I earned them. I have nothing but contempt for roid users.
Take testosterone in moderation. Whatever. It is fake. It is bs. Unless you take it for a real medical reason, it is fake. It is BS. Some of us work for our muscles. The rest are all posers.
Triggerman saidIf you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.
We all know the only reason juice is a controlled substance is because some skinny, insecure gay guy who either couldn't afford to use it or pissed off anyone willing to show him how to use it or where to get it went to mommy and threw a fit.
So now it's illegal and all of a sudden football has become less interesting, pro wrestling's loaded with old fat guys, baseball is getting more boring than it ever could have been, and all the men in this country are suddenly anorexic.
Here's something to ponder, mentioned in Bigger, Stronger, Faster (the movie).
If we train at high altitude to raise our EPO that's not against the rules, but, nonetheless acheives a similiar effect.
If we train with certain junk chemicals we can raise our EPO. That, too, is not against the rules.
If we re-inject our own blood, that's against the rules.
If we take a hormone to raise our EPO, that's against the rules.
All four methods have about the same outcome, but, unless we all move to the high Rockies, most of us can't raise our EPO via that method, yet, those who would take meds to raise their EPO hormonally would catch flack.
If you watched the movie, you'll find out that some of the folks, like Carl Lewis, actually failed the test many more times than Ben Johnson, but, were given special exceptions (the results were blown off). Now, if that's not a farce, what is?
Technology, in its many forms (equipment, clothing, methods, bats, sticks, balls, coffee, etc.) has been used in sport performance since the very beginning of time. That application of technology is not cheating. To use technology to perform at a higher level is something that comes to humans very naturally. Coffee, EPO, stimulatants, hormones, all allow us to train longer, and harder, and to achiever higher recovery and performance.
An aspirin is not "natural", but, testosterone is. One can bleed to death with aspirin. One can have severe liver damage with Tylenol. Does that happen with tesosterone? Of course not. Nothing could be more natural. It's what makes men men.
When the 1991 Omnibus Drug bill was passed, and more specfically when the NCAA started testing, athletes quit using the safer hormones like test and its deratives, and moved to GH and harsher stuff in order to beat the test. Olympic athletes have been using an oral form of trenbolone ("the clear") now for years, because it would beat the test, even though orals are far often hepatoxic because of the way they have to made to pass through the GI system.
It's strange that the question isn't raised as much with women and their various hormones and comestic procedures but folks cling to a falsehood that their best athletes don't embrace technology to enhance their game. Many of them do.
Tiger Woods had LASIX, an unnatural process, to give him 20/15 vision for his golf. Is that cheating? What about the bikers that can't afford the team that Lance Armstrong has? Is that cheating?
The "haters" as the guy is here, really don't think through the big picture, prey on misinformation about reality, and the dangers of use, and lash out. Ironically, the haters often are among the folks that finally embrace the idea in middle age when they find they want to feel better, look better, perform better, and prevent diseases of aging. Go figure.
Like the "moonshine" days of alcohol probhition, forcing stuff underground has made it more dangerous to the user, ruined countless lives, and limited research. Clearly, not clear thinking.
Lets call a stone a stone. Taking steroids is cheating. Although I'm not into body builders, I could admire a guy the works to get the body he has, but I could not and don't admire those that cheat with steroids to get the body they have.
chuckystud3 saidHere's something to ponder, mentioned in Bigger, Stronger, Faster (the movie).
If we train at high altitude to raise our EPO that's not against the rules, but, nonetheless acheives a similiar effect.
If we train with certain junk chemicals we can raise our EPO. That, too, is not against the rules.
If we re-inject our own blood, that's against the rules.
If we take a hormone to raise our EPO, that's against the rules.
All four methods have about the same outcome, but, unless we all move to the high Rockies, most of us can't raise our EPO via that method, yet, those who would take meds to raise their EPO hormonally would catch flack.
If you watched the movie, you'll find out that some of the folks, like Carl Lewis, actually failed the test many more times than Ben Johnson, but, were given special exceptions (the results were blown off). Now, if that's not a farce, what is?
Technology, in its many forms (equipment, clothing, methods, bats, sticks, balls, coffee, etc.) has been used in sport performance since the very beginning of time. That application of technology is not cheating. To use technology to perform at a higher level is something that comes to humans very naturally. Coffee, EPO, stimulatants, hormones, all allow us to train longer, and harder, and to achiever higher recovery and performance.
An aspirin is not "natural", but, testosterone is. One can bleed to death with aspirin. One can have severe liver damage with Tylenol. Does that happen with tesosterone? Of course not. Nothing could be more natural. It's what makes men men.
When the 1991 Omnibus Drug bill was passed, and more specfically when the NCAA started testing, athletes quit using the safer hormones like test and its deratives, and moved to GH and harsher stuff in order to beat the test. Olympic athletes have been using an oral form of trenbolone ("the clear") now for years, because it would beat the test, even though orals are far often hepatoxic because of the way they have to made to pass through the GI system.
It's strange that the question isn't raised as much with women and their various hormones and comestic procedures but folks cling to a falsehood that their best athletes don't embrace technology to enhance their game. Many of them do.
Tiger Woods had LASIX, an unnatural process, to give him 20/15 vision for his golf. Is that cheating? What about the bikers that can't afford the team that Lance Armstrong has? Is that cheating?
The "haters" as the guy is here, really don't think through the big picture, prey on misinformation about reality, and the dangers of use, and lash out. Ironically, the haters often are among the folks that finally embrace the idea in middle age when they find they want to feel better, look better, perform better, and prevent diseases of aging. Go figure.
Like the "moonshine" days of alcohol probhition, forcing stuff underground has made it more dangerous to the user, ruined countless lives, and limited research. Clearly, not clear thinking.
I've read that Aspirin if discovered today, wouldn't meet the current FDA standards for new drugs, the range between a therapeutic and lethal dosage is too narrow and there are too many side effects.
MikePhilPerez saidLets call a stone a stone. Taking steroids is cheating. Although I'm not into body builders, I could admire a guy the works to get the body he has, but I could not and don't admire those that cheat with steroids to get the body they have.
I don't admire cheaters.
I know where you are coming from; but I think it's only cheating if you lie about it.
You could possibly argue you are cheating yourself, or Darwin (!), but basically if people are straight up about it and know the risks, I don't see why they shouldn't take steroids.
I actually think the lad in the video is very brave.
I give that kid points for outing himself about using steroids. True, they are not for everyone. And one should educate oneself as much as possible before using them. Not everyone can get as far as he wants naturally. Body type and genetics play a big role in how far and how fast you progress. Steroids, gh & igf-1 will push you past your normal limitations - if that's what you want. This kid is a classic ectomorph, was obviously unhappy about his natural body, and any natural progress would take forever. So he took a shortcut, and he's happy he did. Yes, they are cheating if you want to get snippy about it. And if you care enough to be bothered by it, but it's only your opinion. My opinion in favor of them is as valid as someone's against them. It's a personal choice. If you don't like steroids - don't use them. Same thing I say about abortion.
But I have NO respect for anyone that tries to build muscles through steriods. NONE. It is fake and it is cheap. I have NO respect for steriod users. If it does not help build cheap muscles fast, why use them?
I not only have no respect for roid users, I have contempt. They want what I have worked hard for. Instant muscles. How sad. When they go off their cycles, do they still have those muscles? When they cannot find their dealers, will they still have those muscles?
I will. I detest steriod users. I worked hard for my muscles. I did not take a shot in the ass to get them. They are functional. I am strong as hell. I earned them. I have nothing but contempt for roid users.
Someone has way to high of an opinion of themselves.
Triggerman saidIf you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least of all you.
Says the guys with perfect muscle building genetics. Problem is, we are not all created equally.
Whatever people do is their own prerogative and their own life. They have their reasons.
It was a pretty funny video but the long term effects of what he's doing might not be so funny.
Props for being open about it. Maybe other guys will learn something from this but I doubt it. The video seemed to glorify steroid use. I felt myself several times durring the video tempted to go over to the dark side, however as many have replied here its cheap and fake and i'd feel better knowing I made my body better on my own hard work.
dont u all realize that every NPC competitor is on juice... and even when it is an "all Natural" competition, it only means you have to have been clean for the prior year!... u used to compete in the 90's and know for a fact that all mr olympia contestants were heavy juicers ........ Get Real... do you think those bodies were just from hard work......... LMAO!
*shrug* If you research the stuff, aren't a dumbass who abuses them, and are fully willing to accept and take responsibility for any side effects, then more power to you.
I saw Bigger, Faster, Stronger* recently as well. There was a slight bias, but I was rather impressed with how level it was, particularly since I've been anti-roids since I did a report on the stuff in high school, and it made me question whether they've been demonized much in the way pot has.
A lot of the points Chucky made are taken from the film and are really worth considering: at what point does technology cross over from being an adaptation (aerodynamic bikes, shark suits, weighted bats) or an improvement (i.e., Tiger's LASIK) to cheating? What makes it cheating? Just being illegal?
AMT87 said I've read that Aspirin if discovered today, wouldn't meet the current FDA standards for new drugs, the range between a therapeutic and lethal dosage is too narrow and there are too many side effects.
Yeah, Tylenol is the same way. I think it's the most (if not one of the most) hepatoxic chemicals one can take.
If you need to take steriods for personal reasons, I have no problem with that. Steriods are a good thing used for the right reasons. Nobody should fear them. They serve a good purpose for people that need them for medical reasons.
Triggerman said If you are going to JUICE, you are a loser. You cannot compete. You need help. You need something besides what you have. Sad. You cannot compete on your own merits and hard work. You need an artificial way to be "Better". How sad. I have no sympathy for roid users that suffer from all the side effects eventually. Die. Die young. How sad? Not really. Die young and pretty and with big fake muscles. But die already. Nobody cares, least
I say what I said before. I never said we are all created equally. What I said before is what I say now. We all build the best body that we can create. I am the best I can be. I will build the best body I can build. I am so suprised that so many of you guys are on steriods. To me, that is a cop out. But really, I am so suprised that so many of you are , that attacked me, are on steriods. I never would have thought that.
If you are a steroid guy, if you are a juicer, I have absolutely nothing to talk to you about. You cheat, and you fake, and you are not honest, and if you want to do that, I have no problem if you get sick, and if doing steriods causes you problems, and your balls shrink and whatever. And if you get AIDS, I do not care, because I assume you do steroids to get laid because without them you would not. And thus, I am never giving money to any AIDS causes.. Get AIDS and die, I do not care. Bye bye.
It is a personal decision. One we have all made. I chose not to and I have personal feeling about those that do. They cheat. They are fake. Have a problem with that?
No, I do not have a particularly high opinion of myself. Actually, lately, it has been pretty low. I have been struggling with many things. But the one thing I never struggle with is if I am built enough. Others will decide that. I just get so sick of guys that become "huge" through steriods when I fight hard to be what I am. Take the fast and cheap route when I actually work hard every day and when the kids that follow me take the hard route. It makes it hard to tell them to work hard route, when they see other kids doing roids and getting big fast with absolutely no work. That does bother me. These are junior high school kids, 10-15. Little kids, that see steriods as a means to an an end. Come to a high school with me, or a junior high, and give them your best arguments for using roids. Why it is not a problem. Come on. I would love to have you as a guest speaker.
XRuggerATX saidSteroids are to bodybuilding what Big Macs are to nutrition. Gratifying in the short-term, but it'll fuck ya up beyond that.
I was reading all these page-long posts and trying to figure out how I'd express myself in one or two sentences. You took the words outta my mouth.
My biggest fear - that other scrawny boys will see this video on the web as a testimonial to how successful steroids can be.
Please keep in mind, we're watching the EXTERNAL physical changes (which are positive) but cannot see the INTERNAL (negative) changes. Besides permanent damage to his metabolism, he could suffer from depression, hair loss, sexual dysfunction, rage disorders and some believe cancer -- all for his twenty gained pounds.
After this video percolated for a couple of days, the quote that kept coming back to me was "I'm doing this to get healthy." I think it bothers me because of the gross confusion between the terms fit and healthy. Many a fit athlete has had a heart attack or stroke during and off competition because their extraordinary fitness was not compensation for a healthy life style. I had virtually the same build as that kid when I was his age and managed to put on a decent amount of muscle through years of hard work. I've thought about steriods and could certainly get them - all it takes is a drive to Turkey and a visit to the pharmacy but I've simply never been able to justify what I know will be a short term gain. Maybe turning 50 in another 11 years will change my attitude but for now I'll simply be content with what I can achieve on my own.
Triggerman has both a small penis and is quick to accuse without backing himself up
I love watching little gay guys bitch lol.
Because the BBC pdf contains ZERO citations as to where the information was taken (both good and bad) it should be regarded as nothing more than garbage, if not propaganda.
Do some research on the effects of steroids, and do not read anything that doesn't have direct citations out of medical research documents. You will find a) there's not many research documents, and b) most of those research documents don't point to horrible side effects and death. You will also want to take the methods of interpreting statistics and data into consideration, as well as general practices in forming experiments and control groups. I've read some pretty funky studies and I can tell you everything that was wrong with both the test, the control group, and the interpretation of the data collected.
Post everything you find so we may all be enlightened.
Even if someone uses steroids they still have to lift and workout plus eat tons of protein. I can fully understand why some people do steriods. I have to fight for every once of muscle and have thought it would be nice to be bigger.
Triggerman saidIf you are a steroid guy, if you are a juicer, I have absolutely nothing to talk to you about. You cheat, and you fake, and you are not honest, and if you want to do that, I have no problem if you get sick, and if doing steriods causes you problems, and your balls shrink and whatever. And if you get AIDS, I do not care, because I assume you do steroids to get laid because without them you would not. And thus, I am never giving money to any AIDS causes.. Get AIDS and die, I do not care. Bye bye.
Your problem, not mine anymore.
I do not support drug users.
Pretty harsh, brother, that all-or-nothing attitude. And not entirely coherent. It must be very comfortable there in your little hermetic world where everyone thinks just like you. You remind me of all the bigots gay people struggle against in The Real World. I know why I use steriods and am honest about it. Are you honest with yourself about why you are so angry? And for the record, I got laid plenty before using steroids. And I use condoms.
Wow - to Triggerman, especially. You "don't care" if people die from AIDS because "they want to look good" and decide to use steroids. What does that say about you? You sound totally spiteful. I wonder if your wanting to look good and maybe even obsessing about how good you look by working so hard at it to maintain it as the one area in your life that you don't have to question your self-esteem, might be indicative of others' desire to want to "juice." What's the meaning of devoting so much time and energy to building your muscles? It seems like the meaning is so heavily invested with what you think about yourself that you would become spiteful and ok w/ your competition's supposedly connected death from AIDS from "faking it" with steroids. That's pretty fucked up. I have to wonder why other areas of your life are suffering.
What the fuck is so important about how our bodies look, anyway? Yes we want to feel good about ourselves and feel healthy and be seen as self-respectful and even considered ideally beautiful, and perpetually young, and admired. But can it get just a little obsessive? Isn't part of the gay stereotype to be so self-obsessed and superficial about how we look that we become vacant cookie cutter queens?
What is the rate of eating disorders in the gay male population? What kind of risks do we take based on the core belief that we're not good enough as we are and so are willing to put ourselves in harm's way via risky behavior? And how do we perpetuate these beliefs w/in the gay community?
The larger picture here, is the connection to wanting to look a certain way as driven mostly by feelings of low self-worth anyway. And then labeling people "hot" if they live up to fairly unattainable, unrealistic, and arguably unhealthy standards, thus perpetuating the pressures to make unhealthy decisions. And it's always interesting to me that gay men buy into this pressure to look hypermasculine... compensating, perhaps?
But Triggerman - dude - you better checkity check yourself before you wreck yourself. Your own self hatred seems to be coming out in ugly ways, bro.
Everyone who's thought about it for five minutes knows that most beefy guys do roids. It's lying about it that gets me. This guy was honest... and suffered for it.
Everyone who's thought about it for five minutes knows that most beefy guys do roids. It's lying about it that gets me. This guy was honest... and suffered for it.
It's a crazy messed up shook up world.
It's all about the almighty dollar. By being honest, he pretty much implied that the product he was helping to sell doesn't really do diddly-squat to get one to look like him, and when one of your spokes-hunks isn't supporting your product that comes back as loss of sales. People are happy with the lie, really, and it wouldn't surprise me if a not-insubstantial portion of their demographic is the college/teenage set who really do believe he got there on creatine supplements alone. I feel bad for him, but it makes sense why the company did it.
Of course, there'd be no issue of the supplements actually did anything in the first place....
Yeah, the fitness industry is a load of crap. Really, if you wanna get stacked, just eat more, take your vitamins, and do your cardio to stay lean.
You won't get as big and beefy as the guys in the magazines unless you chemically enhance yourself because it's just not possible otherwise, and the only way those guys look the way they do is because the steroids allow you to build muscle and perform beyond a normal person. It's still possible to over-train on steroids and the most common form of injury that comes with steroid use is tearing your attachments.
A guy who juices and doesn't work out will look, at best, like a mildly active guy, and at worst, like the fat guy sitting next to you eating a cheeseburger. A guy who juices, doesn't miss a meal, gets an abundance of clean calories, practices proper form in weight training, and does moderate cardio will look like a larger, slightly smoother version of an Abercrombie & Fitch model. To really look like the guys in the magazines requires more practices still.
Steroids give a foot up, but they're not the magic solution.
Triggerman saidIf you are a steroid guy, if you are a juicer, I have absolutely nothing to talk to you about. You cheat, and you fake, and you are not honest, and if you want to do that, I have no problem if you get sick, and if doing steriods causes you problems, and your balls shrink and whatever. And if you get AIDS, I do not care, because I assume you do steroids to get laid because without them you would not. And thus, I am never giving money to any AIDS causes.. Get AIDS and die, I do not care. Bye bye.
People are so worried about being healthy and looking fit that they actually do the opposite to mimic what they want to look like. Steroids is the pussy way out. Lets face it there's no longevity.
1. If a steroid was legal, and it was shown to have no long term bad side effects, would you take it? Or would you prefer to avoid it?
2. And as a follow up, if you were taking a steroid legally and without risks, would you take it to get as big as possible, or only as you age to maintain youthfulness (or somewhere in between)?
3. If you currently take a legal supplement, and feel that it helps, would you continue to take it, assuming you could get it safely, if it were declared illegal?
So, even though Triggerman's messages were a little caustic, I agree with him. Steroids use for cosmetic purposes is absurd and unhealthy, no matter how you try to justify it.
It is sad to think that guys feel they need to bulk themselves up over and above their natural limits to realize a sense of self-worth. It is even sadder to see them compromise their health for it. I particularly dislike the word "juicing" to describe steroid use because it puts a positive image spin on a potentially very dangerous substance.
I've been vegetarian for 15 years now. I only consume soy and hemp proteins by choice, even though I understand their disadvantages relative to bodybuilding. That said, I am not preaching or expecting others to follow my lead by becoming vegetarian. I'm just sharing some background info on myself.
In the end, I have realistic expectations of how far my body will go, and I'm comfortable with my natural limits. If certain guys don't find me attractive enough with the physique I have already, then I am fine with that. I'm 100% real, comfortable in my own skin and prefer others to be the same.
Triggerman saidIf you are a steroid guy, if you are a juicer, I have absolutely nothing to talk to you about. You cheat, and you fake, and you are not honest, and if you want to do that, I have no problem if you get sick, and if doing steriods causes you problems, and your balls shrink and whatever. And if you get AIDS, I do not care, because I assume you do steroids to get laid because without them you would not. And thus, I am never giving money to any AIDS causes.. Get AIDS and die, I do not care. Bye bye.
Your problem, not mine anymore.
I do not support drug users.
I've said it before and I will say it again, the word "steroids" is archaic, ill-informed and just dumb. The proper medical term would be "Hormone replacement" Do some research on the subject in all of the medical benefits of supervised "hormone replacement" (increased energy, libido etc...) One thing that puzzles me in the quote above...Where the heck does AIDS figure into this? and the medical term for that condition would be "HIV" again , ill-informed, and arcahic. I think this guy needs some pschotherapy to deal with all this anger . A library card might also be of some benefit. Use your computer for research, not to post hate-ridden opinions stemming from some obvious horrific past expericences.
According to George Bush and Dick Cheney...Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and constituted an immediate danger.
###################### From webmd, (the source quoted above) regarding Tylenol
Tell your doctor immediately if any of these rare but very serious side effects occur: easy bruising/bleeding, new signs of infection (e.g., fever, persistent sore throat).
If your doctor has directed you to use this medication, remember that he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects.
If you do not have liver problems, the maximum dose of acetaminophen for adults is 4 grams per day (4000 milligrams). The maximum dose of acetaminophen for children is based on age/weight (check product package for details). Taking more than the maximum daily amount may cause serious (possibly fatal) liver disease. Seek immediate medical attention if you have any of the following symptoms of liver damage: persistent nausea/vomiting, yellowing eyes/skin, dark urine, stomach/abdominal pain, extreme tiredness.
A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, seek immediate medical attention if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including: rash, itching, swelling, severe dizziness, trouble breathing.
This is not a complete list of possible side effects. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.
Contact your doctor for medical advice about side effects. The following numbers do not provide medical advice, but in the US you may report side effects to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) at 1-800-FDA-1088. In Canada, you may call Health Canada at 1-866-234-2345.
Before taking acetaminophen, tell your doctor or pharmacist if you are allergic to it; or if you have any other allergies.
If you have any of the following health problems, consult your doctor or pharmacist before using this product: liver disease, regular use/abuse of alcohol.
Acetaminophen may cause liver damage. Daily use of alcohol may increase your risk for liver damage, especially when combined with acetaminophen. Ask your doctor or pharmacist for more information.
Liquid forms of this product may contain sugar. Caution is advised if you have diabetes. Ask your doctor or pharmacist about using this product safely.
This children's form of this medicine may contain aspartame. If you have phenylketonuria (PKU) or any other condition that requires you to restrict your intake of aspartame (or phenylalanine), consult your doctor or pharmacist about using this drug safely.
Tell your doctor if you are pregnant before using this medication.
Acetaminophen passes into breast milk. Consult your doctor before breast-feeding. ######################
From the patient advisory on testosterone, and, again, from Webmd...
Note that none of the falsehoods are mentioned in the actual patient information; a curious thing, huh?
Nausea, vomiting, skin color changes, ankle swelling, increased sexual interest, increased frequency/duration of erections, oily skin, and acne may occur. Pain and redness at the injection site may also occur. Less common side effects may include trouble sleeping, increased sweating, and headaches. If any of these effects persist or worsen, tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.
Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects. Many people using this medication do not have serious side effects when it is used at normal doses.
Tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: body/facial swelling, decreased sexual interest, body tingling, a persistent/deep/painful lump at the injection site.
If you are an adult male tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: difficulty starting the flow of urine, mental/mood changes (e.g., anxiety, aggressiveness, increased anger), breast enlargement.
If you are an adult woman, tell your doctor immediately if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur: deepening of the voice, hoarseness, unusual facial hair growth, enlarged clitoris, irregular menstrual periods.
Tell your doctor immediately if any of these rare but very serious side effects occur: signs of heart failure (e.g., decreased exercise ability, ankle/leg swelling, easily tired, shortness of breath while lying down), signs of serious liver disease (e.g., persistent abdominal pain/nausea, vomiting, yellowish skin/eyes, white stools, brown urine).
A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, seek immediate medical attention if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including: rash, itching, swelling, severe dizziness, trouble breathing.
This is not a complete list of possible side effects. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.
Actually, there are ZERO studies attaching death to HRT, or excessive use of any AAS. Since the 1940's, the US military has tracked this, and, in all those years, only seven (that's 7) deaths have attributed possible AAS use as a possible SECONDARY cause, but, not a primary cause...EVER.
Using the poster's own source (WebMD) we were able to, within just a few minutes, discredit him.
Tylenol is a dangerous drug. It is baned here in Ireland.
I remember phoning my partner one night. I knew he was home, but he did not answer. I was phoning all evening. When I did eventually get him, I asked why he did not answer. He said he had a headache and took some pain killers and lay on the bed. He said he could hear the phone, but he could not move. He said it was like he was paralized. It really scared him. I asked him what the name of the pain killers were. When he told me Tylenol, I said "WHAT?" I told him to dump them and never take them again.
chuckystud3 said Remember that your doctor has prescribed this medication because he or she has judged that the benefit to you is greater than the risk of side effects.
This is assuming he or she knows the risk of side effects, and assuming they have been told the risks by the drug companies.
I was on a drug for years that my doctor did not know all the risks because the drug company hide the research.
Amazingly this company is still allowed to make drugs today.
In my 33 years of going to the gym, I never have seen it mess up male voices (plenty of chicks, though) but, you have us giggling here.
We went to Vitamin Shoppe the other day, and some butch female says to me, in the deepest of voices, and bulging biceps, "Rhonda left. I'm Melissa and this is my store now.). LMAO. She's still running the store, deep voice, and all.
A couple of years back, I was training at Sagi's gym (Uptown Energy Fitness)(Sagi Kalev was my first trainer and is a good friend.) and this guy, was just stacked like crazy...comes over...and...he opened his mouth, and a purse fell out. OMFG. So built, and so very femme. It was sickening. I asked him what if he was training for show and he said no; that he was getting buffed up so he and his partner could take pictures for bigmuscle.com. I about fell out of my tank top. Go figure. I guess the pictures turned out fine.
Another time, my hairdresser friend (all gays have been hairdressers at some time, right? SIC) calls me about four weeks before Halloween. It seems he had some bottomless leather pants and wanted his ass to be extra tight for "The Eagle" (A Dallas bar of known reputation) and its Halloween celebration. I about giggled out of my Under Armour that day. My bud is a great guy, nonetheless, but, I give him shit about his bare bottom, now, every Halloween. Gary had his tight ass, and made the rounds at The Eagle, and got laid too. Gay culture....:-)
Looks like the placebo effect to me. It would be interesting to test the expensive "steroids" he is taking to see if there is actually anything in them. Anyone can gain 10 lbs in one month working out 3 times a week.
Where are the telltale zits? Is that is what the tanning is for ?
I don't think the zits thing is real... You just don't see enough guys getting any LOL
As for the weight gain, that may or may not be related to the steroids. If I eat hard, I can gain 10 lbs in a month (I was 135lbs September last year). Common sense would dictate that you cannot gain weight without a surplus of calories, and I imagine steroids don't change the game there.
Chances are this kid didn't change his diet at all and simply gained a little water weight due to a rise in estrogen levels, as would be expected in increasing your testosterone. (For those who don't know, testosterone breaks down into estriadol and DHT via the enzyme aromatase, read here for more details.)
MikePhilPerez saidTylenol is a dangerous drug. It is baned here in Ireland.
I remember phoning my partner one night. I knew he was home, but he did not answer. I was phoning all evening. When I did eventually get him, I asked why he did not answer. He said he had a headache and took some pain killers and lay on the bed. He said he could hear the phone, but he could not move. He said it was like he was paralized. It really scared him. I asked him what the name of the pain killers were. When he told me Tylenol, I said "WHAT?" I told him to dump them and never take them again.
My advice is avoid them at all costs.
Your kidding right? please tell me this is just some kind of joke or misquote? Otherwise your "advice" of going against every doctor's advice and not taking any medication whatsoever is going to end up killing someone!
I didn't want to get sucked into another one of these arguments that are an affront to science but...
Tylenol is a brand of acetaminophen, this is in fact the most common over the counter sold medication in Ireland
You might know it as paracetamol. Or Capol, Panadol, Lemsip,
Tylenol is a North American brand of drugs for relieving pain, reducing fever, and relieving the symptoms of allergies, cold, cough, and flu. The active ingredient of its original, flagship product, acetaminophen (called "paracetamol" outside of North America)
Alpha13 saidLooks like the placebo effect to me. It would be interesting to test the expensive "steroids" he is taking to see if there is actually anything in them. Anyone can gain 10 lbs in one month working out 3 times a week.
Where are the telltale zits? Is that is what the tanning is for ?
A load of people have said he's too skinny to actually be on steroids on his youtube profile page... but I think that he has actually done very well in the time frame. He was incredibily skinny when he started out.
He's put on 20lbs over two months (more in the later videos). Although, with dedicated big mac eating, anyone can put on 20lbs of fat in that time frame, 20lbs of muscle is a different story. The guy's still lean.
Most people can't put on 10lbs lean muscle a month. If you can, it's because you've got great body building genetics and you are still well below your natural maximum. In order to do it, you need a 'rugby player' rather than a 'soccer player' genetic make up. The vast majority of people just aren't like that, including the canadian guy in the video!
I think he would never have been able to put on that much muscle without roids in any time frame.
Ruby Player Genetics - Broad, squat and short limbed, puts on muscle easier
Soccer Player Genetics - more often tall, long-limbed, slender, fast, far harder to put on muscle
Most people fall into the second camp and need roids if they want big muscle.
Obviously, there are genetically blessed exceptions to the 'long limbed = slender' rule. They can look forward to a career in politics.
Of course I don't know what peoples professions are. But I think it's funny how all the advocates for steroid use, sorry...hormone replacement use, sound like pharmacists (defensive mechanism? or just acquired knowledge through years of drug use)
as for "science" and "research", it's always easy to find something to back up your own opinion. I bet all the "steroids are good for you" research papers was paid for by pharmaceutical companies. Unfortunately a lot of research is made in that methodology... starting with the conclusion/result you want, and then just looking for data to back it up. My professors in college always said to especially beware of this methodology in american papers, no offense.
If used in moderation, you can argue that ANY substance is safe.
so in lots of cases, steroids are not bad for you and there's no proof of cigarettes causing cancer. It may be different in a court room but to me, the circumstancial evidence is enough to make me roll my eyes at you roid supporters
MikePhilPerez saidTylenol is a dangerous drug. It is baned here in Ireland.
I remember phoning my partner one night. I knew he was home, but he did not answer. I was phoning all evening. When I did eventually get him, I asked why he did not answer. He said he had a headache and took some pain killers and lay on the bed. He said he could hear the phone, but he could not move. He said it was like he was paralized. It really scared him. I asked him what the name of the pain killers were. When he told me Tylenol, I said "WHAT?" I told him to dump them and never take them again.
My advice is avoid them at all costs.
Your kidding right? please tell me this is just some kind of joke or misquote? Otherwise your "advice" of going against every doctor's advice and not taking any medication whatsoever is going to end up killing someone!
I didn't want to get sucked into another one of these arguments that are an affront to science but...
Tylenol is a brand of acetaminophen, this is in fact the most common over the counter sold medication in Ireland
You might know it as paracetamol. Or Capol, Panadol, Lemsip,
Tylenol is a North American brand of drugs for relieving pain, reducing fever, and relieving the symptoms of allergies, cold, cough, and flu. The active ingredient of its original, flagship product, acetaminophen (called "paracetamol" outside of North America)
Oh, here we go again.
First off, I never said anything about "not taking any medication whatsoever" Please show me where I said that?
I understand you don't like me, but please do not say I said thing I never said.
Now, as for Tylenol. You may be right. I didn't do any checking before I posted that. All I know is to the best of my knowledge Tylenol was available in Ireland under the name Tylenol, and then it disappeared and I heard there were issues with it. I understood it was withdrawing or banned.
Are all the ingredients in Tylenol that same as the other drugs you mention?
What happened my partner after taking it is true. But saying that he is on other medication and maybe it was a reaction because of this.
My advice on all meds is only take them when absolutely necessary. I don't think you will die from a simple headache.
You just picked the name of a random drug you knew nothing about declared it very dangerous, advised people avoid it at all costs, said it was banned in Ireland, when it's the most common over the counter drug and then claimed it could result in paralysis which is completely false.
For the record Panadol manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline and Tylenol manufactured by Johnson and Johnson have near identical composition save for a few dyes and such.
AMT87 saidYou just picked the name of a random drug you knew nothing about declared it very dangerous, advised people avoid it at all costs, said it was banned in Ireland, when it's the most common over the counter drug and then claimed it could result in paralysis which is completely false.
For the record Panadol manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline and Tylenol manufactured by Johnson and Johnson have near identical composition save for a few dyes and such.
Don't even start me on GlaxoSmithKline. That company should be put out of business.
I didn't just pick a random drug. I suggest you read my post again and stop reading into everything I say something you want me to say.
And if you do not think that all drugs are dangerous, then I worry about you. That's why it says "keep out of reach of children" on the bottle.
And the paralysis thing did happen. Are you saying I'm lying?
I'm not going going to start you because I don't even need you to say anything for me to be sure you know nothing of any accuracy about GSK.
I also have absolutely no doubt that there is no possible pharmacological reasoning or any reported cases of paralysis resulting from paracetamol/acetaminophen. Neither according to the PDR are there any counter indicated drugs, which could bring about paralysis.
Maybe, just maybe someone didn't want to take your call. Seems like infinitely more likely reasoning.
AMT87 saidI'm not going going to start you because I don't even need you to say anything for me to be sure you know nothing of any accuracy about GSK.
I also have absolutely no doubt that there is no possible pharmacological reasoning or any reported cases of paralysis resulting from paracetamol/acetaminophen. Neither according to the PDR are there any counter indicated drugs, which could bring about paralysis.
Maybe, just maybe someone didn't want to take your call. Seems like infinitely more likely reasoning.
Some how I knew you would start to make it personal. You always do that when the going gets rough.
And, I can promise you I know more about GSK than you know. I was taking one of their drugs for many years. You know, the one you advised me to up the dose on. And there has been many panorama programs on them, and a few court cases just for good measure.
This thread. Some of the guys on here are just pathetic in their attitudes about self-enhancement.
This country has zero business policing what anyone puts into their body. Adults don't need protection from themselves.
I think some of the posters on here are severely misinformed. Using 'roids doesn't mean you instantly get huge. It still requires intense, daily training and a very disciplined diet. The only thing you are cheating is time. You could still get the same results... it just would take a lot longer.
Chemical enhancement is no different than surgical enhancement. If a woman can get breast implants, why does my government forbid me from being chemically enhanced?
Additionally, multiple studies have proven that hormone therapy for men over 40 can slow, if not nearly stop the aging process itself. Women get hormone shots all the time. Why are we so concerned about men getting some test?
If our government is so concerned about chemicals that kill, tell me how come smoking is still legal, even encouraged with tobacco subsidies?
Most people can't put on 10lbs lean muscle a month. If you can, it's because you've got great body building genetics and you are still well below your natural maximum. In order to do it, you need a 'rugby player' rather than a 'soccer player' genetic make up. The vast majority of people just aren't like that, including the canadian guy in the video!
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I did some work for the Navy Seals.. a Training faciilty. I saw skinny 17 y.o. kid, after 17 y.o. skinny kid show up and and add 30 lbs or more in a couple of months (boot camp) doing super set squats to exhaustion and other heavy lifting routines. Guys that "can't gain weight" don't get big because they are exercising little muscles for tone and even do that badly. The guy in steroid vid....exhibits bad technique in everything he does..
You make a good point alpha13, young men can make HUGE gains, with, or without, AAS.
I've seen this many times.
When I lived in Lincoln, Nebraska, I saw young men on the football team (The Nebraska Cornhuskers) (red shirts, they're called, that sit own their first year) put on as much as 70 pounds eating a 6000kcal a day diet, and pounding beer, and pizza.!!!! LOL. These kids came in at 180 in the fall and weighed 250 in the spring.
As the son of a cattle rancher, I learned years ago that you have to eat, if you wanna' be big and strong. So many young guys now are so SCARED of being fat that they workout but don't "fuel the furnace". You gotta' eat!!!!
Recently, I took a young man from 135 to 210 in 5 months by getting him to eat and do high rep, fast workouts, and stuffing himself. While he was at it, he lowered his bodyfat level by 2% (the power of HIIT - High Intensity Interval Training)
To many times, the folks without a plan / the failures in training fail because they don't research, define and set, their goal, and execute poorly.
This is all science, with a touch of genetics, and time.
The guy in the video, well, he's not (honestly) the brightest lamp on the block.
BigSETXjock (Jim), you hit the nail on the proverbial head. I just don't understand how we can turn a blind eye to the nearly 7 million folks dieing prematurely annually due to obesity, yet, throw those juiceheads in jail, when all illicit drug use (that's ALL illicit drug use) only kills about 3000 annually. Maybe I'm dense, but, I just don't get it.
Study after study has shown that even juiceheads live longer than fat folks. That's fact / good journalism.
I think the Canadians, and Europeans, have a much better view on their approach to substance abuse (of any kind) than we Americans.
A few years back, despite my years of training, my bp was creeping up, and I was feeling "old". One doctor handed me a pile of meds: hctz, ACE inhibs, a beta blocker, a CCB, a statin drug. There was a list of side effects. I felt even worse. I fired the doctor. My next doctor put me on HRT, and we removed all the meds. PERIOD. Now, I take no meds for any of that. None, zero. My cholesterol was never high (130), but the first doc wanted my HDLs higher. My current doctor LITERALLY threw all that crap in the trash. Within a week, I was feeling better, my BP normalized, etc. That's my TRUE STORY.
As someone who has been in the weight room now for 33 years, I've seen many things. AAS / HRT killing folks is not one of them. Quite the opposite, in fact. It pains me, that folks of so little research, and so little experience, trumpet about stuff they know nothing about.
It wasn't by coincidence that no agency recommended the stuff be controlled. A BIG MAC is by far more dangerous.
I don't know much about bodybuilding or steroids except what the "establishment" has told me so I won't place any judgement but I'll warn some of you...a lot of the arguments on this thread are reminscent of arguments I made, railing against the establishment while I did dope and speed before it got outta hand. And it did take time before it got outta hand. So when the shit storm happened, I didn't know what hit me.
FUCK!
(defensive mechanism? or just acquired knowledge through years of drug use)