Pope says he will not judge on sexual orientation!

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    Jul 29, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
    The new Pope is actually making a lot of sense. It's almost like he's really been following the teachings of Jesus and not picking the parts he wants to hear. Even though I'm not religious at all, it's great to finally see things taking a step in the right direction!

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_VATICAN_POPE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-29-07-10-32
  • AMoonHawk

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    Jul 29, 2013 3:45 PM GMT
    I think the devil is in the details. "They must be integrated into society." In other words, pray the gay away. icon_mad.gif

    Acceptance would be a more Jesus like attitude ... we all know that priests must choose to be celibate, that is their choice if they choose to follow the priesthood. But Jesus accepted homosexuals .... "I have found no man in all of Israel that hath greater faith than this". He never said to homosexuals, "Go and sin no more".
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    Jul 29, 2013 3:50 PM GMT
    I don't care even if he judges us.
    If he's a true Christian he would have rejected any kind of authority and also would have resigned from his position long time ago.
    because authority is also a form of violence...and a true Christian is against any form of violence.
  • HottJoe

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    Jul 29, 2013 3:59 PM GMT
    He does seem like a huge contrast to his predecessor. However, the Catholics have a "hate the sin not the sinner" attitude toward gay people, which I can't abide, because it implies that being gay is a sin but that they have compassion in their bigotry.
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    Jul 29, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
    I think it's the Pope's evil master plan to make all the gay people
    come out in the open and then single handedly pick them off with a spray gun filled with gay-seeking holy water.
    Geez. You guys are so petty and ridiculous.
    This is tremendously good news.
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    Jul 29, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidI think it's the Pope's evil master plan to make all the gay people
    come out in the open and then single handedly pick them off with a spray gun filled with gay-seeking holy water.
    Geez. You guys are so petty and ridiculous.
    This is tremendously good news.

    I think women priests and announcing that God made me gay would be tremendous news. As someone who grew up Catholic, this is table scraps.... Though it is an improvement over a complete shutout... I guess.icon_neutral.gif
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    Jul 29, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidI think it's the Pope's evil master plan to make all the gay people
    come out in the open and then single handedly pick them off with a spray gun filled with gay-seeking holy water.
    Geez. You guys are so petty and ridiculous.
    This is tremendously good news.

    It is not tremendously good news. No where did he claim acceptance. He stated: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge? We shouldn't marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society."

    He is talking about gay men turning themselves over to God and Jesus and becoming celibate and refuting all sexual activity to become priests and in so doing are being integrated into a religious "Catholic" society. That has nothing to do with the acceptance, or even tolerance of homosexuality.
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    Jul 29, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    I suppose I could have missed it but where did he say all that?
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    Jul 29, 2013 4:37 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidI suppose I could have missed it but where did he say all that?

    It is the first line in the article: "he won't judge priests for their sexual orientation" ... does he really have any choice? About 50% of all the priests are homosexual. When was the last time you spoke to a priest?
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    Jul 29, 2013 4:49 PM GMT
    Well, there's many ways you can interpret that. It's obvious he's speaking ambiguously on purpose.

    The article also stated...

    "Stressing that Catholic social teaching calls for homosexuals to be treated with dignity and not marginalized, Francis said he would not condone anyone using private information for blackmail or to exert pressure."

    Maybe I am getting very excited over table scraps but the gay community has never been offered even that before. This is a big move, a little as it is.
    I'm hoping it'll be a slippery slope upward.
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    Jul 29, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    JohnSpotter saidI think it's the Pope's evil master plan to make all the gay people
    come out in the open and then single handedly pick them off with a spray gun filled with gay-seeking holy water.
    Geez. You guys are so petty and ridiculous.
    This is tremendously good news.

    It is not tremendously good news. No where did he claim acceptance. He stated: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge? We shouldn't marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society."

    He is talking about gay men turning themselves over to God and Jesus and becoming celibate and refuting all sexual activity to become priests and in so doing are being integrated into a religious "Catholic" society. That has nothing to do with the acceptance, or even tolerance of homosexuality.


    Exactly correct.

    Until this guy denounces homophobia (in Russian Orthodox), his words mean nothing.
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    Jul 29, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    Hmm. Maybe you're all right.
    I have the news on in the background at work and all morning they seemed to be applauding the Pope's acceptance of gays - probably just to be sensational.
    *sigh*
    I guess only time will tell.
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    Jul 29, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    JohnSpotter saidI think it's the Pope's evil master plan to make all the gay people
    come out in the open and then single handedly pick them off with a spray gun filled with gay-seeking holy water.
    Geez. You guys are so petty and ridiculous.
    This is tremendously good news.

    It is not tremendously good news. No where did he claim acceptance. He stated: "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge? We shouldn't marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society."

    He is talking about gay men turning themselves over to God and Jesus and becoming celibate and refuting all sexual activity to become priests and in so doing are being integrated into a religious "Catholic" society. That has nothing to do with the acceptance, or even tolerance of homosexuality.


    Maybe.

    We are being integrated into society, much faster than I anticipated. Not too slow for me though! Being a lapsed Catholic I thought it was great news, especially after that last twit of a Pope.

    I'm cautiously optimistic. "The Church" is a mean machine......if he is true to our way of thinking, he could be dead in a week!
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    Jul 29, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    The only sin in life is cruelty.

    Homosexual sex is not mean, sex with children is mean, laughing at someone is mean, being happy, while not being depressed with concern and care for those that are suffering is cruel as well.

    The catholic church is one of the most evil and sinful institutions ever invented by mankind, they should be worried about whether we give them consent in their sinful actions and CHOICES, not the other way around. icon_confused.gif
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    Jul 29, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
    Degrading someone's religion is mean.
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    Jul 29, 2013 8:51 PM GMT
    What does the Roman Catholic Pope have to do with the Russian Orthodox Church? Pope Francis has enough to worry about with his own flock's reaction to his statement.