Popes comments on gays.

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    Jul 30, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    Apologies for the link

    Im not a catholic but this should be great news to many of you that are.


    http://wgntv.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge-2/
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    Jul 30, 2013 5:54 AM GMT
    http://wgntv.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge-2/


  • LJay

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    Jul 30, 2013 6:04 AM GMT
    This guy may actually rattle a few cages yet. As was pointed out on the news this evening, you have to remember that popes always speak in the context of what went before them. Still, making such a statement is on the bold side considering the audience. I am willing to keep an eye out for what he does before his time is up.
  • camfer

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    Jul 30, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
    This is the same old tired Roman Catholic line, nothing new at all: "Gay orientation is okay, but gay sex is a sin." The Pope has not made any changes to dogma regarding homosexuality.
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    Jul 30, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    Any comments regarding the priests molesting boys?
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    Jul 30, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    So this Pope is slightly less homophobic than the previous one. Hardly much to cheer about.
  • Kazachok

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    Jul 30, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
    To be honest, it doesn't sound any different from what I heard in Catholic School
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    Jul 30, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    Kazachok saidTo be honest, it doesn't sound any different from what I heard in Catholic School


    Exactly.

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    Jul 30, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    I don't approve of most people's lifestyle choices, so I don't expect them to approve of mine. What's cool about the new Pontiff is that he's civil and good willed in his approach to difference. Previous popes could not talk about homosexuality without calling it intrinsic evil. So what we have in Francis is positive change that helps everyone.
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    Jul 30, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    Nivek saidI don't approve of most people's lifestyle choices, so I don't expect them to approve of mine.


    'Lifestyle choices'. WTF?
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    Jul 30, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
    Nivek saidI don't approve of most people's lifestyle choices, so I don't expect them to approve of mine. What's cool about the new Pontiff is that he's civil and good willed in his approach to difference. Previous popes could not talk about homosexuality without calling it intrinsic evil. So what we have in Francis is positive change that helps everyone.
    i get u brother, i do, better then nothing. Not that i care about the catholic view to homosexuality. But i get u
  • quirkyquirk

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    Jul 30, 2013 5:22 PM GMT
    The really big news here is that Francis seemed to use the word "gay" and "homosexual" in a way that denotes a recognition of those words as a definition of an orientation. In previous documents and pronouncements the words listed above are always referring to what the Church would define as a "disorientation." Mad props to Francis for bringing at least a recognition to us and the ones we love.
  • goodmagic

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    Jul 30, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    I'm Catholic but I don't need the pope's approval to feel good about myself. I don't think anyone is religious anymore especially gays. Why accept a religion that does accept you?
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    Jul 30, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    Nivek saidI don't approve of most people's lifestyle choices, so I don't expect them to approve of mine.


    'Lifestyle choices'. WTF?
    Oops, yeah "choices" was not the right word choice, but I think you get my drift. icon_smile.gif
  • sk8rdom

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    Jul 30, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
    The church needs to back peddle hard and fast. It's losing many followers, attendance at churches are an all time low.
    I think its called saving face.
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    Jul 30, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    QSHLTABABUFONTONFAGQAKHJK saidi will never ever ever expect or want any church to change what is written in the bible,i don't fuckin care what homosexual rights group think..or shut the freedom of speech by a fellow human.

    imagine if islam or other religions change their head religious book..hell/violence will be unleashed. lol
    The bible changes every time it is translated, and there have been many translations.

    More important than translation is interpretation. Contemporary interpretation is moving in the direction of tolerance, that the bible really does not come down hard on homosexuality, that the 6 passages that appear to deal with it are generally interpreted out of context, and that nowhere is a loving committed relationship of a same-sex couple condemned by scripture. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY
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    Jul 30, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
    Anocxu saidhttp://wgntv.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-on-gays-who-am-i-to-judge-2/




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  • Cutlass

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    Jul 30, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
    Well, at least he didn't make any negative comments about gays. It's a small step, but I wonder how sincere he is when he mentioned seeking social justice. Does that include gays?
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    Jul 30, 2013 9:03 PM GMT
    Great news to hear. Now those close-minded religious bible thumpers will either a.) adapt his nonchalant attitude towards homosexuals b.) change their religion

    And those who says it doesn't do anything for us. Yes it does, these words are coming from the head of the Catholic Church. The last two Popes condemned homosexuals without any regards.
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    Jul 30, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
    camfer saidThis is the same old tired Roman Catholic line, nothing new at all: "Gay orientation is okay, but gay sex is a sin." The Pope has not made any changes to dogma regarding homosexuality.


    One step at a time. This is definitely a big step in the right direction and many good things could follow for the religion oppressed LGBT. The Pope wont change religious dogma over night. His tone regarding homosexuality however can clear up the path to make that change in the near future.
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    Jul 30, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
    QSHLTABABUFONTONFAGQAKHJK saidoh..a gay 'christian' debating about the scriptures? i already know what im going to see,thanks though.

    It clearly condemned same-sex acts..you serious? icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_biggrin.gif
    Yes. I am serious. You are right, in a certain context it condemns same-sex acts, but it also, in certain contexts, promotes slavery, polygamy, and the submission of women. It clearly states that children who disobey their parents should be stoned. So yes, you can justify all kinds of aweful things, including the oppression of gays, if you read scripture in a way that promotes oppression.

    The bible was written at a time when a word for gay did not exist, so the writers were not able to have a genuine discussion of committed gay relationships. Heterosexual acts are widely condemned too when in the context of sexual excess, yet bible thumpers do not take that to mean that heterosexuality is bad. Gay acts in biblical context are seen as excessive sexual lust, which is always condemned whether homosexual or hetersexual.

    Out of over 30,000 bible passages, only 6 appear to deal with homosexual acts. So its not like this is a topic of great priority to the authors.
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    Jul 30, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
    QSHLTABABUFONTONFAGQAKHJK saidoh..a gay 'christian' debating about the scriptures? i already know what im going to see,thanks though.
    Your point being that gay people should not have a voice? Why is a gay Christian voice less legitimate than a straight Christian voice? If we are not entitled to a point of view, then why are you expressing yourself? Maybe you should keep your mouth shut and let those who would deny you your basic rights do the talking.