What are your thoughts. Do you believe we will win this fight on prop 8.

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    Nov 12, 2008 12:57 AM GMT
    I believe we will. I have been reading the Sacremento papers and they r saying we might hear something by the end of the week. If we over turn prop 8 what do you think we will have to face.
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    Nov 12, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    It would be wonderful if we did. But I know a lawyer who served on the board of several gay orgs down here and he doesn't believe the lawsuits filed this week will work. I would find it hard to believe the California Supreme Court would rule on something like this by the end of a week. That would be pretty unprecedented. I don't see why that would happen.

    So, in the short term I don't thin we will will this. But, Nate Silver, who did some great poll crunching on his site www.fivethirtyeight.com leading up to the election and was pretty accurate as things unfolded, says this of Prop 8:

    "At the end of the day, Prop 8's passage was more a generational matter than a racial one. If nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a point or two. It appears that the generational splits may be larger within minority communities than among whites, although the data on this is sketchy.

    "The good news for supporters of marriage equity is that -- and there's no polite way to put this -- the older voters aren't going to be around for all that much longer, and they'll gradually be cycled out and replaced by younger voters who grew up in a more tolerant era. Everyone knew going in that Prop 8 was going to be a photo finish -- California might be just progressive enough and 2008 might be just soon enough for the voters to affirm marriage equity. Or, it might fall just short, which is what happened. But two or four or six or eight years from now, it will get across the finish line."

    Prop 8 won with 52.3% of the vote. That isn't a big margin. It the community reaches out to minority communities, we can win this battle in just a few years.
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    Nov 12, 2008 5:58 AM GMT
    I've heard convincing arguments for why it won't be overturned and for why it will. I try not to dwell on it. The bottom line for me is why should my civil rights be up for a vote in 2, 4, 6 years? They've already been granted, then taken away. Do correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, no other minority that has been granted civil rights has ever had the granting of those rights put to a vote by the electorate. Why should ours? Am I really supposed to be ok with being told, "Work for it, then we'll see." That's a soft form of psychological sadism. It's having to face the mob all over again.

    In its May ruling the Court itself suggested that the social advancement of a minority should not have to meet the conditions of the majority. Likewise, social progress sometimes needs a jump start. Back in May, I'm pretty sure I didn't hear any gays responding to the justices: "Are you sure? Because maybe we should wait a bit and put it up for a vote. We don't want to be disliked."



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    Aug 12, 2010 7:42 PM GMT
    The stay is overturned as well. Licenses can start August 18, 2010!
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    Aug 12, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
    wi2sd saidThe stay is overturned as well. Licenses can start August 18, 2010!

    Yes, and I started a thread on it. But of course we gays will lose the battle in the long run. The conservative US Supreme Court will never allow this to be. And by deciding against us, the problem is that the Court will establish a precedent, that will take decades to reverse, if ever. We won a small skirmish, but will lose the war. icon_sad.gif