Thinking about living in SF?

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    Aug 02, 2013 3:35 AM GMT
    Take a look some nice graphs on the rent explosion out there.

    http://priceonomics.com/the-san-francisco-rent-explosion/
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    Aug 02, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    Well there are several reasons for the spike. Rent control encourages people from moving around because they know they'll never get back if they leave. Also, the tech companies are hiring young people who want to live in SF so to accommodate them they now have buses that transport them from SF to the Silicon Valley. This causes even more of a demand.

    Somewhere I recently read where the number of new dwelling last year in SF was about 280, this year it's something like 1300. There's a ton of building but the price of most of those start at something like $700K and that's going to be a condo with about 700-900 square feet. It won't bring down rents but it might free up more very expensive housing for someone.

    I was lucky to get in when I did. It's not cheap to live here!
  • AMoonHawk

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    Aug 02, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
    Oh I thought you mean Santa Fe icon_biggrin.gificon_wink.gif
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    Aug 02, 2013 4:59 AM GMT
    Wow. The real estate agent said Bernal Heights was " up and coming" but 42% rent increase? Sheesh.
  • Apparition

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    Aug 02, 2013 5:20 AM GMT
    why doesnt silicon valley buy detroit, and kick everyone out and start again?
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    Aug 02, 2013 5:24 AM GMT
    Apparition saidwhy doesnt silicon valley buy detroit, and kick everyone out and start again?


    That actually sounds like a good idea!!! icon_biggrin.gif
  • CityofDreams

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    Aug 02, 2013 5:58 AM GMT
    I thought Detroit was the Beverly Hills of the Midwest, no?
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    Aug 02, 2013 6:22 AM GMT
    eb925guy said
    I was lucky to get in when I did. It's not cheap to live here!


    On the flip side, the pay is generally no short of amazing. I have seen rooms as low as $700/month for a tiny-ass room, and even though that's a low end apartment in Minneapolis, personally speaking my internships pay far more in The Bay than they do in the Upper Midwest.
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    Aug 02, 2013 6:56 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidWow. The real estate agent said Bernal Heights was " up and coming" but 42% rent increase? Sheesh.



    I'm pretty sure Bernal Heights has been "Up and Coming" since I moved to the bay from Philly in 1989!

    Count on housing to be about 1/2 of your monthly budget. Find a place you love and plan on staying there for 20 years and enjoy the wonders of SF rent control....

    That being said, I LOVE living the bay area!
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    Aug 02, 2013 7:36 AM GMT
    San Francisco is not for everyone! It's a great place for vacation but living there long-term might be another story. Over-price rent, food, expenses, fight for parking....etc. Lots of people rent in SF, they don't leave bc of rent-control, once they moved out, urg, the landlord will just grouch up everything! I mean, it's a tech-jobs based city. It's really hard to get a great job here too! I read somewhere that SF is like the top 5 transient US city! Lots of people coming and going. 2 of my gay friends from SF are moving to the east coast for school starting this late August! **Sigh!!
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    Aug 02, 2013 7:45 AM GMT
    If you want to experience San Francisco, but enjoy occasionally seeing the sun and not encountering homeless people sleeping outside your $2,400/mo doorstep (or worse), just live elsewhere in the Bay Area. Easy. I never understood it. Visit SF on weekends with the money you save, if you feel like it. And some weekends my bet is you'll want to just keep away from the zoo.
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    Aug 02, 2013 1:13 PM GMT

    I personally think some people let that city get to them way too much for the ones living there. Then again I'm just going off my own experiences and what I've seen. From being born and sorta raised in east bay is of course much different.
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    Aug 02, 2013 2:59 PM GMT
    principal0 saidIf you want to experience San Francisco, but enjoy occasionally seeing the sun and not encountering homeless people sleeping outside your $2,400/mo doorstep (or worse), just live elsewhere in the Bay Area. Easy. I never understood it. Visit SF on weekends with the money you save, if you feel like it. And some weekends my bet is you'll want to just keep away from the zoo.

    You can't get the experience of SF by living in the suburbs. I did that for over 30 years and it's just not the same. There's something about the change in weather, the social conflicts, the cafe style neighborhoods. Sure parking sucks but it's a walking, public transportation city. It's nice to leave and get the heat from the east on occasion but there's plenty of sunshine in SF outside of the summer.

    Clearly there's something that attracts so many people that the demand continues to far out pace the supply. It has so much to offer in activities, arts, food, museums, etc.
  • MikeW

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    Aug 02, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidClearly there's something that attracts so many people that the demand continues to far out pace the supply. It has so much to offer in activities, arts, food, museums, etc.

    And don't forget the SFBA RJ meet-ups! ;)
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    Aug 02, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos said
    eb925guy said
    I was lucky to get in when I did. It's not cheap to live here!


    On the flip side, the pay is generally no short of amazing. I have seen rooms as low as $700/month for a tiny-ass room, and even though that's a low end apartment in Minneapolis, personally speaking my internships pay far more in The Bay than they do in the Upper Midwest.

    Pay does tend to be slightly higher, depending on the job. The traditional lower wage jobs such as retail still lag behind and remain a problem to staff but higher paying jobs often come with cost-of-living-adjustments (cola) to help offset the very high housing costs.

    Other incidental expenses such as food, clothing, eating out, etc are very competitive and deals can always be found if you look for them.
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    Aug 02, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    eb925guy saidClearly there's something that attracts so many people that the demand continues to far out pace the supply. It has so much to offer in activities, arts, food, museums, etc.

    And don't forget the SFBA RJ meet-ups! ;)

    Exactly!!! LOL
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    Aug 02, 2013 3:26 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    MikeW said
    eb925guy saidClearly there's something that attracts so many people that the demand continues to far out pace the supply. It has so much to offer in activities, arts, food, museums, etc.

    And don't forget the SFBA RJ meet-ups! ;)

    Exactly!!! LOL


    As a wise local told me my first night out in the Castro in July 1989 when I explained to him I was only going to be in SF for 2 years before I headed back 2 the east coast... "They come for a visit..they stay for the MEN!". Truer words have never been spoken....
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    Aug 02, 2013 3:29 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    principal0 saidIf you want to experience San Francisco, but enjoy occasionally seeing the sun and not encountering homeless people sleeping outside your $2,400/mo doorstep (or worse), just live elsewhere in the Bay Area. Easy. I never understood it. Visit SF on weekends with the money you save, if you feel like it. And some weekends my bet is you'll want to just keep away from the zoo.

    You can't get the experience of SF by living in the suburbs. I did that for over 30 years and it's just not the same. There's something about the change in weather, the social conflicts, the cafe style neighborhoods. Sure parking sucks but it's a walking, public transportation city. It's nice to leave and get the heat from the east on occasion but there's plenty of sunshine in SF outside of the summer.

    Clearly there's something that attracts so many people that the demand continues to far out pace the supply. It has so much to offer in activities, arts, food, museums, etc.


    Agreed. It is a completely different experience. Going into the city is great, but you are still "visiting" no matter what. Packing up the things you decide you're likely to need on that day, not really having a home base, needing to catch that last BART train at 12:30, and needing to have at least some destination in mind, rather than just stepping outside your apartment and letting the city surround you, or getting to know the people around you while doing something as mundane as running errands.

    My old joke is that the city is a great place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit there.

    But Berkeley has some really nice qualities, independent of its proximity to San Francisco, and I have a great deal, so I doubt I'll move anytime soon.
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    Aug 02, 2013 3:31 PM GMT
    eb925guy said
    principal0 saidIf you want to experience San Francisco, but enjoy occasionally seeing the sun and not encountering homeless people sleeping outside your $2,400/mo doorstep (or worse), just live elsewhere in the Bay Area. Easy. I never understood it. Visit SF on weekends with the money you save, if you feel like it. And some weekends my bet is you'll want to just keep away from the zoo.

    You can't get the experience of SF by living in the suburbs. I did that for over 30 years and it's just not the same. There's something about the change in weather, the social conflicts, the cafe style neighborhoods. Sure parking sucks but it's a walking, public transportation city. It's nice to leave and get the heat from the east on occasion but there's plenty of sunshine in SF outside of the summer.

    Clearly there's something that attracts so many people that the demand continues to far out pace the supply. It has so much to offer in activities, arts, food, museums, etc.


    +1, I agree with Eb925 - I live in East Bay Dublin and is always hard when your friends are in the city. I am hoping to make the move closer to the city by the end of the year. There are tons of activities that are in the city that I know that I am missing because of the suburbsicon_cry.gif-additionally, trying to have a social gay life in East Bay is like a death zone, additionally no one want to cross the damn bridge just to meet and have a date.
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    Aug 02, 2013 4:22 PM GMT
    I lived in SF for three years. The city is currently experiencing a population explosion with the gentrification and construction of new highrises in South Beach and Mission Bay. Also, because these developments are geared toward luxury tenants and businesses, it is driving real estate costs up across the city. Remember, SF is the second most expensive city to live in after New York.
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    Aug 02, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    principal0 saidIf you want to experience San Francisco, but enjoy occasionally seeing the sun and not encountering homeless people sleeping outside your $2,400/mo doorstep (or worse), just live elsewhere in the Bay Area. Easy. I never understood it. Visit SF on weekends with the money you save, if you feel like it. And some weekends my bet is you'll want to just keep away from the zoo.


    Suburbs! Palo alto and Marin are more expensive than SF. But Oakland across the bridge is always there , some places are really nicer than SF.
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    Aug 02, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    its too hot there
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    Aug 03, 2013 2:35 AM GMT
    CopperDevil saidits too hot there

    I hope you mean Oakland because SF is not considered hot! Come visit for the summer and freeze your arse off! LOL October and April are your best times to visit....great weather!
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    Aug 04, 2013 4:43 AM GMT
    Different strokes and all. I haven't spent enough time in SF to say for sure, but the areas I go to (mostly Mission and thereabouts) seem warm in the summer. SF weather is pretty amazing during the entire 9 months out of the year when it's not raining every day.

    I find Oakland too warm, but then I find most places too warm. If I can't ride my bike fast or walk quickly in the clothes I need to wear without getting sweaty, it's too warm.
  • Cutlass

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    Aug 04, 2013 5:53 AM GMT
    I don't know how the middle class can afford to live in San Francisco. I knew someone who paid $2,500 for a studio, and the size made me think it was overpriced; but that's the going rate for the city. The city has its amenities, but parking is expensive and at a premium, the restaurants are high-priced (at least the nice ones), clothing is no bargain, and thus you need lots of money to live there. The summer weather is like winter at times, but the views are terrific, the architecture is beautiful, and the lifestyle is hip, so I like to visit there, but I doubt if I could afford to live there.