Talking eloquently. Who makes the effort

  • aguyinbrist

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    Aug 02, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
    I messaged that goodlooking straight bloke on facebook yesterday, clamouring that 'u r handsome, wish u wasn't str8 m8, arf!' He replied very disdainfully and with a speckle of contempt in the writing that 'I don't speak yoot'. I am guessing 'yoot' is some jargon and vernacular I have no knowledge of.

    Now, let me be clear, I am a frigging maths PhD from a top university. Even though I aced my english exam for uni entrance, and am extremely well read and versed in grammar (I am just as stupendously eloquent and verbose in french), I take a delectable pleasure in expressing myself in shortened text and internet speak. WHY? Because there is no need to be fanciful in writing. I always believe that ANYONE CAN write a book, but NOT ANYONE CAN do a maths PhD. And because I am conscious of the huge gap in skills required in mastering and harnessing both subjects, I take pride in being extremely slovenly and remiss when texting or on the net. There's just no need to be verbose in some situations.

    Needless to say that I put him back in his place, and impressed upon him the fact that I could very easily, if I wished so, be as complimentary of his appearance in proses but quite frankly, he was only worth the text speak anyways (well just to impugn his ego really, I mean he was gorgeous but boi when one realises that they do think they can get away wiv at least attempted murder).

    Anyone else hates the ignoramus grammar police? I need to reiterate this, being good at grammar does not require genius. Being good at fractal geometry and stochastic optimisation and parallel programming does require genius, and typically people that are knowledgeable of those disciplines won't even be fluent in english, and would fail to take notice of anyone fustigating their english. No point tergiversating about whether to be formal or not on the net, DONT BE! Hope you guys agree too!
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
    There's a time and a place for all types of language. When it comes to informal internet/app banter I see no harm in using abbreviations and slang.

    There's a certain level of internet chatter that I can't stand, such as replacing 'i's with 'y's in words like 'lyk'.

    This is what I'd consider "yoot" (youth) speak. It's impossible to read! lol

    I see no harm in your original messages. Equally, I don't want to read posts on internet forums such as this written as if it was a thesis.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:09 PM GMT
    ps - check it out, you're Bristolian too.

    Hey there fellow Brizzler! :-)
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:12 PM GMT
    Yeah, was being a bit facetious, sorry.. Decided to delete that post.
  • aguyinbrist

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    Aug 02, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidYeah, was being a bit facetious, sorry.. Decided to delete that post.


    And I have deleted the reply. Bristol is er... nothing to rave about really mate
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:18 PM GMT
    First off, I will respectfully disagree with the premise that anyone can write a book. Anyone can write something and CALL it a book, but whether it's actually a brilliant piece of work is something else altogether. There are not many people with the genius of the likes of George R. R. Martin, Edgar Allan Poe, Pablo Neruda (in Spanish), because their work is master class. There are clearly levels of language and mastery is based on one's ability to use language as appropriate.

    Second, I respect that you are clearly an intelligent individual. That said, I'm sorry, but typing stuff like 'u r handsome, wish u wasn't str8 m8, arf!' makes you look like an uneducated babbling fool. You're clearly not, but that's the impression that writing in such a way makes on a number of other people. Some balance, where you have simplified speech without coming across as an idiot and not so many advanced word choices, is ideal.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
    aguyinbrist said
    gayinterest saidYeah, was being a bit facetious, sorry.. Decided to delete that post.


    And I have deleted the reply. Bristol is er... nothing to rave about really mate


    Serious? I fucking love Bristol! Best place I've ever lived!
    <3

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    Aug 02, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
    juvenescences said
    Second, I respect that you are clearly an intelligent individual. That said, I'm sorry, but typing stuff like 'u r handsome, wish u wasn't str8 m8, arf!' makes you look like an uneducated babbling fool. You're clearly not, but that's the impression that writing in such a way makes on a number of other people. Some balance, where you have simplified speech without coming across as an idiot and not so many advanced word choices, is ideal.


    On this, the advice I'd give; be yourself. If that's how you talk in informal settings, then talk that way.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:42 PM GMT
    gayinterest said
    aguyinbrist said
    gayinterest saidYeah, was being a bit facetious, sorry.. Decided to delete that post.


    And I have deleted the reply. Bristol is er... nothing to rave about really mate


    Serious? I fucking love Bristol! Best place I've ever lived!
    <3

    Bristol. A charming city from 134Moises on Vimeo.



    Er I mean if u r gay. Where are the blokey well built handsome masculine gay men?
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
    haha, oh right.

    yeah, I don't touch the gay scene. I've got a husband, so not on the singles market.

    I get to enjoy Bristol without all that dating drama.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
    juvenescences saidFirst off, I will respectfully disagree with the premise that anyone can write a book. Anyone can write something and CALL it a book, but whether it's actually a brilliant piece of work is something else altogether. There are not many people with the genius of the likes of George R. R. Martin, Edgar Allan Poe, Pablo Neruda (in Spanish), because their work is master class. There are clearly levels of language and mastery is based on one's ability to use language as appropriate.

    Second, I respect that you are clearly an intelligent individual. That said, I'm sorry, but typing stuff like 'u r handsome, wish u wasn't str8 m8, arf!' makes you look like an uneducated babbling fool. You're clearly not, but that's the impression that writing in such a way makes on a number of other people. Some balance, where you have simplified speech without coming across as an idiot and not so many advanced word choices, is ideal.


    If u r going to judge someone based on how they speak on da net, then u best warn ur best authors (as listed by u) to steer clear from twitter m8. And that assertion does make u sound like a fool (I can play that game too). Point was anyone can indeed write a book, doesnt have to be a masterpiece cough jk rowling cough
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidhaha, oh right.

    yeah, I don't touch the gay scene. I've got a husband, so not on the singles market.

    I get to enjoy Bristol without all that dating drama.


    well even if u were on the market i'd still steer clear no offence meant, just not many blokes that pique my fancy around, im leaving next year anyways
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    Student?

    As I say, not into the gay scene at all. Bristol - and life, in general - has a lot more to offer. Perhaps you've just been missing out on what the city represents...
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidStudent?

    As I say, not into the gay scene at all. Bristol - and life, in general - has a lot more to offer. Perhaps you've just been missing out on what the city represents...


    Im not here for the city tbh, there r better cities out there If bristol was that eclectic, u'd not be parsing forums on the net eh
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    I'm in London right now. I live in both cities 'cos my partner can't relocate until next year.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    Anyway, meat market aside, what don't you love about Bristol? I've never lived anywhere friendlier, more welcoming, accepting, chilled and diverse.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:58 PM GMT
    I dumbed down my speech a long time ago because I was coming across as arrogant, but here on RJ I'm careful to use complete sentences and proper spelling. I only object to text speak when it becomes hard to read. However, I'm always tempted to say something when guys screw up on homonyms because it's funny, and I want to laugh about it.
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    Aug 02, 2013 8:59 PM GMT
    Yeah I no what your saying.
  • aguyinbrist

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    Aug 02, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidAnyway, meat market aside, what don't you love about Bristol? I've never lived anywhere friendlier, more welcoming, accepting, chilled and diverse.


    If I were in a homely situation 'married, kids, etc', I'd care about folks being diverse, chilled, etc. For now, I worry that all the guys I chat up in the street (those are the goodlooking blokey handsome masculine ones) who always then share their numbers with me are all str8. And the ones who I dont wanna get close to are abundant on the scene.
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    Aug 02, 2013 9:03 PM GMT
    Fair enough. More to life than hooking up. If you don't "get" the Bristol spirit, then I wish you well elsewhere. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 02, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
    here's an example of A STUNNER I MEAN WOW
    http://www.facebook.com/impact.raffi

    That's the sorta bloke whose numbers I get, and typically ALWAYS STR8. Yet I am gay and I look just as good. And I happen to have shagged some goodlooking blokes like that but they all had girlfriends and kids (I cud tell u stories). But u wont find blokes like that on the net trust me, nor gay blokes like that IN bristol (the ones I got off with just happened to be in the city that night), and yet I do know there are gay blokes that stunning and masculine out there tho, but not in this darn city.
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    Aug 02, 2013 9:07 PM GMT
    I talk like how teenagers talk like
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    Aug 02, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    aguyinbrist said
    juvenescences saidFirst off, I will respectfully disagree with the premise that anyone can write a book. Anyone can write something and CALL it a book, but whether it's actually a brilliant piece of work is something else altogether. There are not many people with the genius of the likes of George R. R. Martin, Edgar Allan Poe, Pablo Neruda (in Spanish), because their work is master class. There are clearly levels of language and mastery is based on one's ability to use language as appropriate.

    Second, I respect that you are clearly an intelligent individual. That said, I'm sorry, but typing stuff like 'u r handsome, wish u wasn't str8 m8, arf!' makes you look like an uneducated babbling fool. You're clearly not, but that's the impression that writing in such a way makes on a number of other people. Some balance, where you have simplified speech without coming across as an idiot and not so many advanced word choices, is ideal.


    If u r going to judge someone based on how they speak on da net, then u best warn ur best authors (as listed by u) to steer clear from twitter m8. And that assertion does make u sound like a fool (I can play that game too). Point was anyone can indeed write a book, doesnt have to be a masterpiece cough jk rowling cough

    It's not uniquely my assertion. Language has been used for years to separate people, whether by social class, intelligence, affiliation, or any number of other categorical variables.

    Personally, I don't think learning how to type 100+ wpm is hard either, but it's more rare than one would think. Because of my typing speed (roughly 110 wpm on average) I don't find it troublesome to write properly because it takes me basically the same amount of time to write properly as it would to use slang.

    Also, as you know in programming there are proper ways to write code, a variation of 'grammar' if you will. That's not even just a reference to syntax. Code is supposed to be commented, formatted and indented so that other people reading it can easily pick up where another programmer left off. Depending on the language, functions are supposed to be organized in a particular part of the script, separate from everything else. You COULD just write code using shorthand variable names, uncommented work, unorganized and unformatted code but you'd be out of a job pretty damn quick. Your employer will not be satisfied with claims of "oh but there's no need to be verbose".

    You don't have to like it, but one's chosen use of language will always send a message, intentional or not, and in a world where first impressions are often enduring, I'd rather send a good message. That's not being a fool, that's just accepting the reality of the world we live in. I use slang on occasion, sure. But if you're messaging someone out of the blue that you don't know, it's probably a bad idea. You do nothing to make yourself stand out in a good way. Among friends or people who understand the context behind your slanginess? Sure. I do it all the time too. I'd never use slang with people I don't know though.
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    Aug 02, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidYeah I no what your saying.

    Yeah, I had to correct one of my posts the other day because I typed "new" instead of "knew." icon_redface.gificon_lol.gif
  • aguyinbrist

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    Aug 02, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    juvenescences said
    aguyinbrist said
    juvenescences saidFirst off, I will respectfully disagree with the premise that anyone can write a book. Anyone can write something and CALL it a book, but whether it's actually a brilliant piece of work is something else altogether. There are not many people with the genius of the likes of George R. R. Martin, Edgar Allan Poe, Pablo Neruda (in Spanish), because their work is master class. There are clearly levels of language and mastery is based on one's ability to use language as appropriate.

    Second, I respect that you are clearly an intelligent individual. That said, I'm sorry, but typing stuff like 'u r handsome, wish u wasn't str8 m8, arf!' makes you look like an uneducated babbling fool. You're clearly not, but that's the impression that writing in such a way makes on a number of other people. Some balance, where you have simplified speech without coming across as an idiot and not so many advanced word choices, is ideal.


    If u r going to judge someone based on how they speak on da net, then u best warn ur best authors (as listed by u) to steer clear from twitter m8. And that assertion does make u sound like a fool (I can play that game too). Point was anyone can indeed write a book, doesnt have to be a masterpiece cough jk rowling cough

    It's not uniquely my assertion. Language has been used for years to separate people, whether by social class, intelligence, affiliation, or any number of other categorical variables.

    Personally, I don't think learning how to type 100+ wpm is hard either, but it's more rare than one would think. Because of my typing speed (roughly 110 wpm on average) I don't find it troublesome to write properly because it takes me basically the same amount of time to write properly as it would to use slang.

    Also, as you know in programming there are proper ways to write code, a variation of 'grammar' if you will. That's not even just a reference to syntax. Code is supposed to be commented, formatted and indented so that other people reading it can easily pick up where another programmer left off. Depending on the language, functions are supposed to be organized in a particular part of the script, separate from everything else. You COULD just write code using shorthand variable names, uncommented work, unorganized and unformatted code but you'd be out of a job pretty damn quick. Your employer will not be satisfied with claims of "oh but there's no need to be verbose".

    You don't have to like it, but one's chosen use of language will always send a message, intentional or not, and in a world where first impressions are often enduring, I'd rather send a good message. That's not being a fool, that's just accepting the reality of the world we live in. I use slang on occasion, sure. But if you're messaging someone out of the blue that you don't know, it's probably a bad idea. You do nothing to make yourself stand out in a good way. Among friends or people who understand the context behind your slanginess? Sure. I do it all the time too. I'd never use slang with people I don't know though.


    But my point was rather that he didnt have to be that disdainful, it was a lighthearted comment, no need to be uppity about it, it's the internet, everyone speaks text on the net, it's expected (same as on twitter).