Millionaire gay fathers to sue the Church of England for not allowing them to get married in the church

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    Aug 04, 2013 1:12 AM GMT





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    Aug 04, 2013 1:36 AM GMT
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383686/Millionaire-gay-fathers-sue-Church-England-allowing-married-church.html#ixzz2axTgkmxj
    That's ridiculous.
    No one can tell a religion to change its values.
    All you can do is leave a religion you don't believe in.
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    Aug 04, 2013 2:40 AM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383686/Millionaire-gay-fathers-sue-Church-England-allowing-married-church.html#ixzz2axTgkmxj
    That's ridiculous.
    No one can tell a religion to change its values.
    All you can do is leave a religion you don't believe in.


    There you go, an example of wealth and self imagined privilege. Idiots.

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    Aug 04, 2013 6:08 AM GMT
    That's stupid. They need to back off in my opinion. The church isn't a business serving the public. I don't believe in religion at all, but the reverse would be a church suing to hold their service in an LGBT community centre.

    I have 0 respect for the church but I think the line has to be drawn somewhere where someone's rights infringe on someone else's. A christian printing business should have to print anything a customer wants, but a church shouldn't have to since it's not providing a needed public service.
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    Aug 04, 2013 6:17 AM GMT
    it's just a waste of time and money, if you ask me.
    If they are millionaires, why not build a small church for themselves at their backyard?

    And, my personal view is, we don't need church or fathers or etc. to believe in god, all we need a bit of faith and love.
    They can marry at their home icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 04, 2013 9:48 AM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidThat's stupid. They need to back off in my opinion. The church isn't a business serving the public. I don't believe in religion at all, but the reverse would be a church suing to hold their service in an LGBT community centre.

    I have 0 respect for the church but I think the line has to be drawn somewhere where someone's rights infringe on someone else's. A christian printing business should have to print anything a customer wants, but a church shouldn't have to since it's not providing a needed public service.


    Agreed.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Aug 04, 2013 9:52 AM GMT
    If they were billionaires they could start their own church of England.icon_lol.gif Protestant religion came about because Henry the VIII couldn't get pope to grant him another annulment.
  • kew1

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    Aug 04, 2013 11:07 AM GMT
    The new law doesn't allow the CoE to perform gay weddings even if they want to. How can you be sued for not doing something that you're specifically banned from doing?

    Other churches can decide for themselves, sue one of them instead (without pockets so deep you'll be living in a shed before the result).
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    Aug 04, 2013 12:25 PM GMT
    Those of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.
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    Aug 04, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
    There just bullies, there are probably 100s of churches that will marry them. But in todays worlds its about me, and my wants. Really they are pathetic .
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    Aug 04, 2013 2:16 PM GMT
    That's just lame.
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    Aug 04, 2013 2:39 PM GMT


    They should rather adopt me... or purchase me.
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    Aug 04, 2013 2:54 PM GMT
    thatirishbastard saidThose of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.


    My thoughts are this: This is terrible. My partner and I are secular married after 20 years together, 4 years now. These two men have no right to demand a religious institution marry them. There are other Christian denominations they can seek out that will.

    Churches are not public gov't controlled institutions; they are private. The fight for equality is a civil one, not a religious one. The church was wrong to fight legal secular equality. The key word here is secular. These men are being just as bad as the churches in this error. This is appears to be about tit for tat, rather than being genuine.


    Here's a good one, suppose, because some people's mental illness make them compulsive liars, someone brings a lawsuit against a church whose doctrine is that lying is a sin? Ay yi yi.
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    Aug 04, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
    Har19 said

    They should rather adopt me... or purchase me.



    LOL , i like that .
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    Nov 30, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    So can the church sue them for not agreeing with their beliefs ? I mean were all equal. This is stupid, any church should be able to do what it wants. Just as couples should be able to what they want.
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    Nov 30, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    This is so moronic I dont know why I am commenting.The govt cannot force a Church to do anything.If the British Courts decide to force the Anglican Church to change their policies than all believing Christians in England(a small number no doubt) should stop paying taxes at once.Ryan.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 30, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
    I'd rather have seen a class action lawsuit. They don't just discriminate against millionaire gays.

    On another note, I'm surprised so many people accept discrimination as the church's prerogative. I'm all for a separation of church and state, insomuch as they can't make laws that infringe on freedom, and government can't forbid a church's right to exist peacefully. However, if a church is preaching hate or violence, then they are causing enough harm to society to have to step in. As an individual who is being discriminated against, I will fight back, and taking them for all they're worth is one way.

    What if the same church preached intolerance for race, ethnicity, gender or other religions? People would see them as terrorists then.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 30, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
    Another thing to think about is that while a lot of injustices in the world come down to economic greed, (colonization, slavery, finite natural recourses, women seen as property, etc.) homophobia is often traced back to religious doctrines, even in secular societies. Religions originally planted the seeds of homophobia, not for money, but out of superstition. They can't understand us, believe we're ungodly, and make it their duty to oppress us in order to get into heaven. I guess, maybe it is all about the money, if they see heaven as real estate.... At any rate, if there is anyone we should be standing up to it's homophobic religions.
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    Nov 30, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
    thatirishbastard saidThose of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.


    Now wait, does separating church and state suggest a person is anti-church? I think separating church and state preserves both, right? I fully support the separation, and even as an atheist I'm siding with the church on this one. These dickwads should start their own church. For godssakes, it's tax free.
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    Nov 30, 2013 7:39 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    thatirishbastard saidThose of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.


    Now wait, does separating church and state suggest a person is anti-church? I think separating church and state preserves both, right? I fully support the separation, and even as an atheist I'm siding with the church on this one. These dickwads should start their own church. For godssakes, it's tax free.

    Separate but equal?


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    Nov 30, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
    The cynic in me just thinks the main purpose of this is to get a reality TV show.
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    Nov 30, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    thatirishbastard saidThose of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.


    Now wait, does separating church and state suggest a person is anti-church? I think separating church and state preserves both, right? I fully support the separation, and even as an atheist I'm siding with the church on this one. These dickwads should start their own church. For godssakes, it's tax free.


    You're quite right. It's been going on for centuries which is why there are so many different Christian faiths. Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, Anglicans, METROPOLITAN COMMUNITY CHURCH which is gay.
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    Nov 30, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    mickeytopogigio said
    thatirishbastard saidThose of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.


    Now wait, does separating church and state suggest a person is anti-church? I think separating church and state preserves both, right? I fully support the separation, and even as an atheist I'm siding with the church on this one. These dickwads should start their own church. For godssakes, it's tax free.


    You're quite right. It's been going on for centuries which is why there are so many different Christian faiths. Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, Anglicans, METROPOLITAN COMMUNITY CHURCH which is gay.

    Funny how the gay one in all caps is the one nobody ever heard of....icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Muscles25

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    Nov 30, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    They will lose and we should be happy about that. For obvious reasons.
  • HottJoe

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    Nov 30, 2013 8:35 PM GMT
    thatirishbastard saidThose of us who fiercely advocate the separation of church and state find ourselves in the unusual position of siding with the church in this case. Wonders never cease.

    I agree, but neither should be given a pass to discriminate against gay people.