Not really true that good looking men lead better lives than average looking men

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    Aug 07, 2013 12:31 PM GMT
    Was reading another thread where people were saying that good looking men lead better lives than average looking men.

    I think as gays we're saturated with male beauty and maybesame-sex relationships don't really have the psychological balance that heterosexual relationships do.

    In society AT large, WOMEN are supposed to be the beautiful ones while men are supposed to have other qualities like intelligence, money, charisma, talent etcetera

    Don't argue, you know it's true.

    That's why it's so common to see a hot guy with an average looking chick and a gorgeous girl with an average looking guy.
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    Aug 07, 2013 12:43 PM GMT
    Define "better"
    Life is what you make it, beautiful or otherwise.
    A successful life is a happy life.
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    Aug 07, 2013 12:46 PM GMT
    gayinterest saidDefine "better"
    Life is what you make it, beautiful or otherwise.
    A successful life is a happy life.

    I was expecting your comment on this! and it is yours!
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    Aug 07, 2013 12:48 PM GMT
    drevy554 saidIn society AT large, WOMEN are supposed to be the beautiful ones while men are supposed to have other qualities like intelligence, money, charisma, talent etcetera

    Don't argue, you know it's true.

    And where did you conclude this this from? because I have many reasons to contradict it.
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    Aug 07, 2013 12:49 PM GMT

    Go ahead but this is rich coming from someone from India.

    India is one of the most sexist countries on the planet where the women are expected to be gorgeous 24/7 while the men can walk around however they want.

    Every society is like this but India takes it to a whole new extreme.
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    Aug 07, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
    To begin with...

    From evolutionary point of view, in every species Male is the most beautiful and attractive sex, because to get attention from female...the most attractive or powerful or both always wins the female's choice and can have progeny.

    From cultural point of view, boys were nurtured from the birth as the dominant member of the family and society, where as women were limited to home and household activities, and are raised from birth to please men, where as boys to dominate women.
    That's changing because more and more people are learning that both sexes are equal.

    And maybe your argument works if you speak in the past or some cultures who still stick to the old traditions.
    I think as we humans are monogamous, beauty was on both sides because both parties has to choose one.
    It's still more complicated than that.
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    Aug 07, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    Is tall beautiful?

    "A survey of Fortune 500 CEO height in 2005 revealed that they were on average 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) tall, which is approximately 2.5 inches (6.4 cm) taller than the average American man. 30% were 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) tall or more; in comparison only 3.9% of the overall United States population is of this height.[11] Similar surveys have uncovered that less than 3% of CEOs were below 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m) in height. Ninety percent of CEOs are of above average height"

    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_discrimination
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    Aug 07, 2013 2:02 PM GMT
    Harry7785 saidTo begin with...

    From evolutionary point of view, in every species Male is the most beautiful and attractive sex, because to get attention from female...the most attractive or powerful or both always wins the female's choice and can have progeny.


    Well said, Harry. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 07, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    I have to say that in my opinion, a very attractive man has an advantage in life from the start. We base everything on the initial preview of what we see. What else is there? So a handsome guy immediately has one up on the average or below looking guy.

    Based on this, theory only, I believe that a good looking guy has doors opened without as much effort. Not to say this is always true or that some don't work for what they get but I believe from opportunities to romance, they don't have to work to 'prove' themselves like the average guy does.

    The downside to much of this is that they also don't have opportunities to learn from mistakes, what works and what doesn't, and benefit from experiences that most of us have to go through. Working to 'be something' is a much better way of learning how to live than just being handed life. Working to impress someone shows others your true colors rather than just getting the prize because you're physically attracted. You learn to love and be loved, no free meals.

    I think this is also often a reason good looking guys struggle in relationships. Not needing to work to 'sell' yourself doesn't allow you to value the relationship. It's almost a throw away relationship when the next one is waiting in the wings. Now this isn't true for everyone but I think there is an advantage based on looks. Look at up and coming executives, how many fat ugly guys do you see racing to the top? None…why, not a good image. Give it to the good looking guy who will turn heads….regardless of their talents.
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    Aug 07, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
    This I agree with.

    eb925guy said
    The downside to much of this is that they also don't have opportunities to learn from mistakes, what works and what doesn't, and benefit from experiences that most of us have to go through.


    However - one point of interest - I only started receiving compliments about my looks once I became confident about my character. I did little, consciously, to change my outward physical appearance.
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    Aug 07, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
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    Harry7785 saidTo begin with...

    From evolutionary point of view, in every species Male is the most beautiful and attractive sex, because to get attention from female...the most attractive or powerful or both always wins the female's choice and can have progeny.


    Well said, Harry. icon_smile.gif
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    Relatedly, the reason most men have such HUGE penises (relative to primates including gorillas) is that human females were attracted to bigger penises which they considered more likely to impregnate.

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    Aug 07, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    Average looking doesn't necessarily meaning mediocre looking. Average looking means that you look as well as everyone else looks.

    Now, being 10/10 facial features sounds like everyone else would want to have but it does have it's faults. My friend had a squared jaw, high-check bones, and was tall and handsome. He was really hot and I would stare at him all the time. He has told me that people would constantly give him attention. Like he would have fat chicks and gay guys(no offense) telling him that he loves him. The attention was really off putting I'd imagine.
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    Aug 07, 2013 10:43 PM GMT
    drevy554 saidWas reading another thread where people were saying that good looking men lead better lives than average looking men.

    I think as gays we're saturated with male beauty and maybesame-sex relationships don't really have the psychological balance that heterosexual relationships do.

    In society AT large, WOMEN are supposed to be the beautiful ones while men are supposed to have other qualities like intelligence, money, charisma, talent etcetera

    Don't argue, you know it's true.

    That's why it's so common to see a hot guy with an average looking chick and a gorgeous girl with an average looking guy.


    this seems to be very true in my experience as well.
  • BloodFlame

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    Aug 07, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    Eh, I don't know entirely. Like another post said, good looking men have much more opportunities to get ahead in life be it relationships or career. But like another user said, it comes with a price or in this case, having a more difficult time when things don't go their way despite them being "God's gift to mankind."

    I agree, life is what you make of it. I'm sure there are happy good looking and average men. Speaking for the the average looking man who is happy, it's because even though he didn't have the looks, he didn't let that stop him to follow his dreams. Did it take longer to achieve? Probably. Was he not able to achieve it? Maybe but he still tried. What's wrong with trying? I wholeheartedly believe that you play the cards you're dealt with.

    I.e (gay world): The "unattractive" guy who keeps trying with good looking guys. He may have a hard time but he just keeps trying. I know it's not a good example but you know.


    The_Tango saidLike he would have fat chicks and gay guys(no offense) telling him that he loves him. The attention was really off putting I'd imagine.


    Because he was getting attention from fat women and gay guys?
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 07, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    I think it depends on how they were raised. I was raised by people who valued beauty in women but ignored it in men. In fact, being "pretty" put you at a disadvantage. It was seen as feminine. Athleticism on the other hand was held in high regard.
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    Aug 13, 2013 11:15 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidIs tall beautiful?

    "A survey of Fortune 500 CEO height in 2005 revealed that they were on average 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) tall, which is approximately 2.5 inches (6.4 cm) taller than the average American man. 30% were 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) tall or more; in comparison only 3.9% of the overall United States population is of this height.[11] Similar surveys have uncovered that less than 3% of CEOs were below 5 ft 7 in (1.70 m) in height. Ninety percent of CEOs are of above average height"

    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_discrimination


    Not a good source.

    1. Doesn't give a percentage of how many were 6'

    2. "Less than 3% of CEOs were below 5ft 7 in height" - this is because the vast majority of men in America are nin the 5'9"/5'10"/5'11" range

    3. Ninety percent of CEOs are of above average height" (above average is anything 5'8+ - most men fall into this group)

    4. When it comes to business, qualifications > height in all cases. No one is asked to put their height in a resume.
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    Aug 13, 2013 11:21 AM GMT
    eb925guy saidI have to say that in my opinion, a very attractive man has an advantage in life from the start. We base everything on the initial preview of what we see. What else is there? So a handsome guy immediately has one up on the average or below looking guy.

    Based on this, theory only, I believe that a good looking guy has doors opened without as much effort. Not to say this is always true or that some don't work for what they get but I believe from opportunities to romance, they don't have to work to 'prove' themselves like the average guy does.

    The downside to much of this is that they also don't have opportunities to learn from mistakes, what works and what doesn't, and benefit from experiences that most of us have to go through. Working to 'be something' is a much better way of learning how to live than just being handed life. Working to impress someone shows others your true colors rather than just getting the prize because you're physically attracted. You learn to love and be loved, no free meals.

    I think this is also often a reason good looking guys struggle in relationships. Not needing to work to 'sell' yourself doesn't allow you to value the relationship. It's almost a throw away relationship when the next one is waiting in the wings. Now this isn't true for everyone but I think there is an advantage based on looks. Look at up and coming executives, how many fat ugly guys do you see racing to the top? None…why, not a good image. Give it to the good looking guy who will turn heads….regardless of their talents.


    Yeah, no. SMART men have an advantage in life from the start.
    Even a lot of the top actors in Hollywood, like Jack Nicholson, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino and more, are average looking guys with a LOT of talent. As they say, actresses' careers end at 30 and actors' careers begin at 35.

    You pulled that argument of up-and-coming executives out of your ass. The majority of executives are average looking men.

    "Give it to the good looking guy who will turn heads….regardless of their talents" - LOL. This really shows how dumb you are. Do you think a top company will risk everything by giving a CEO position to a good looking guy with no talent? FAIL.
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    Aug 13, 2013 11:23 AM GMT
    Homosexual world =/= Heterosexual world

    Or are we gonna have the "So who's the girl in the relationship?"-talk again?

    The male homosexual community applies both masculine and feminine traits in different areas, it's difficult to just state how something is in the heterosexual community and expect to find its equivalent in the homosexual community.
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    Aug 13, 2013 11:28 AM GMT
    Attractiveness does influence the quality of your life. Of course it's not the single determinant of your success or happiness in life, but you would have to be a fool to think it irrelevant.
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    Aug 13, 2013 11:35 AM GMT
    nevz saidAttractiveness does influence the quality of your life. Of course it's not the single determinant of your success or happiness in life, but you would have to be a fool to think it irrelevant.


    In the heterosexual community, beauty is more important for the women than the men.
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    Aug 13, 2013 11:36 AM GMT
    Buddha saidHomosexual world =/= Heterosexual world

    Or are we gonna have the "So who's the girl in the relationship?"-talk again?

    The male homosexual community applies both masculine and feminine traits in different areas, it's difficult to just state how something is in the heterosexual community and expect to find its equivalent in the homosexual community.


    You're right about the gay community mixing masculine with feminine elements. Like in the front covers of gay mags, the model is often shown flaunting his ass the same way the female models do for Playboy.
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    Aug 13, 2013 3:06 PM GMT
    Money doesn't buy happiness but makes life more comfortable. Same with attractiveness.

    People innately respond more favorably to beauty; it's innate even in various studies with babies (here's but one): http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6355-babies-prefer-to-gaze-upon-beautiful-faces.html#.UgpydeBZ_dk

    Height (and attractiveness) is not a guarantee of business success; however, I've worked for several companies in my career and noticed a pattern - the second-in-command (i.e. President) is often tall, lean and attractive whereas the first (i.e. CEO/Chairman of the Board) is squat and average. In one privately held company I worked for worth nearly $1 Billion the CEO selected, out of various candidates with equally valuable industry connections, a telegenic president specifically for his height and attractiveness to serve as the media "face" of the company. (His CFO and General Counsel were as unattractive as he was.) This I know for certain.
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    Aug 13, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    The majority of rich people are far from good looking.
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    Aug 13, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    Being miserable is a bit more bearable when you're wearing a cashmere robe.
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    Aug 13, 2013 3:29 PM GMT
    charlitos saidThe majority of rich people are far from good looking.


    Relative to poor people?

    Modify the theory from "hot people lead better lives than average people" to "all else being equal, hot people lead better lives than average looking peers" and the OP's dilemma is solved.