Protests Stop Mormons From Getting Married

  • metta

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    Nov 13, 2008 9:20 AM GMT


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    “A temple is the only place [Mormons] can get married if they want to get sealed to God,” Foster says. “Whenever protesters show up, they close the gates [at the temple] so no one can get in. It becomes a convent where no one can get married.”

    Foster leads the crowd back to the gates on Santa Monica and just before everyone starts the long walk back to West Hollywood, he gathers everyone around.

    “There are Mormons here tonight who have been kicked out their homes,” he tells the protesters, “so we need to show up tomorrow and let them what we think!”

    The crowd roars. When Thursday comes, thousands of “No on 8” protesters shut down the Los Angeles Mormon Temple. For the entire day and into the night, the iconic building is surrounded by LAPD officers, who seal off the temple’s perimeter so no one can enter or exit. Without fully realizing it, gay-marriage proponents have stumbled upon an effective protest tool — close down a temple, and Mormons, too, will not be able to marry each other. It’s one of those odd twists the leaders of the Mormon church probably never saw coming.


    http://www.laweekly.com/2008-11-13/columns/the-ex-mormon-factor/

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    Nov 13, 2008 9:28 AM GMT
    LOL so THAT's why they protested outside the Mormon temple in Santa Monica? LOL that's awesome.
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    Nov 13, 2008 10:41 AM GMT
    Love it !!

    We need to keep up the pressure
    and not let this fade
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    Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM GMT
    When people are beig kicked out of there homes for standing by their faith as wrong as it is how is that right.

    It's one thing to protest, but when it comes down to people losing their shelter and resulting to someone being hurt, how is that helping our cause it is not.

    What's next killing every Morman in sight!

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    Nov 13, 2008 3:40 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidWhen people are beig kicked out of there homes for standing by their faith as wrong as it is how is that right.

    It's one thing to protest, but when it comes down to people losing their shelter and resulting to someone being hurt, how is that helping our cause it is not.

    What's next killing every Morman in sight!



    killing mormons? that is so 70's

    since when was faith to be admired?
    as mark twain said "faith is believing in something you know ain't true"


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    Nov 13, 2008 3:41 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidWhen people are beig kicked out of there homes for standing by their faith as wrong as it is how is that right.

    It's one thing to protest, but when it comes down to people losing their shelter and resulting to someone being hurt, how is that helping our cause it is not.

    What's next killing every Morman in sight!

    I disagree....they should suffer, so they will see what it's like. We didnt do this to them first. They did it to us. Until it impinges on them, bigots wont get it. They need to feel the pain.
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    Nov 13, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    This whole Prop 8 fiasco has been full of ironies!!!
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    Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM GMT

    WOW! An eye for an eye, huh. Then have it boys. I will never stand by and watch other people suffer, no matter what no matter how much I may be in decent of their belief

    I had been at the protest rally where those two women were attacked by angry protesters, I would have come to there aid with a quickness. These were WOMEN for pity sakes. No way am I going to stand by and watch anyone be attacked. Morman or Gay person, that's just wrong.

    "We shall over come, we shall overcome, we shall over come someday”!


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    Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    I am confused. Were the Mormons that got kicked out of there home the ones who stood AGAINST prop 8? I know that young gay people can get kicked out and disowned for being gay as I have heard those stories before. Are those the people (Mormon youth) they are talking about?
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    Nov 13, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    That's how I read it. They're talking about mormon kids tossed out by their loving parents. Nobody's getting kicked out of the mormon temples during protests, though the protests seem to have prevented people from entering. That's their choice. If the dopes want to continue going in and out of their ornate pod, they're free to do so.
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    ActiveAndFit saidI am confused. Were the Mormons that got kicked out of there home the ones who stood AGAINST prop 8? I know that young gay people can get kicked out and disowned for being gay as I have heard those stories before. Are those the people (Mormon youth) they are talking about?

    OK. I just re-read the article. The Mormons that got kicked out were kicked out by other Mormons that supported 8. So it is the Mormons who are now oppressing "no on 8" and other gay mormons
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    Nov 13, 2008 4:37 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI am confused. Were the Mormons that got kicked out of there home the ones who stood AGAINST prop 8? I know that young gay people can get kicked out and disowned for being gay as I have heard those stories before. Are those the people (Mormon youth) they are talking about?


    From what i read and how i took it, as Foster is talking to the group on Wednesday night, he say, "There are Mormons here tonight who have been kicked out their homes,” he tells the protesters, “so we need to show up tomorrow and let them what we think!”.

    The mormons that he is referencing about being kicked out, are gay mormons in the crowd who were abandoned by the church and their families, and that everyone needs to show up tomorrow to show their support for them, and the No of 8 campaign.


    Edit: ohh looks like you beat me to it.
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    Nov 13, 2008 4:39 PM GMT
    metta8 said

    LA Weekly
    Without fully realizing it, gay-marriage proponents have stumbled upon an effective protest tool — close down a temple, and Mormons, too, will not be able to marry each other. It’s one of those odd twists the leaders of the Mormon church probably never saw coming.



    Maybe they DID fully realize it...

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    Nov 13, 2008 4:49 PM GMT
    Ducky44 said, "What's next killing every Morman in sight!"


    You're a Drama Queen. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM GMT
    theycallmeRED saidEdit: ohh looks like you beat me to it.
    Thats ok. I will never resent repetition from a cute guy with a dog on his shoulders. "He ain't heavy, he's my dog!" icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:05 PM GMT
    Cool,


    Dude you don't even know me. STICKS AND STONES! Is that all you got is that the best you can do. Ouch that hurt!:icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
    Ducky44 said, "Cool,


    Dude you don't even know me. STICKS AND STONES! Is that all you got is that the best you can do. Ouch that hurt!:icon_rolleyes.gif"



    My Bad! DRAMA DIVA QUEEN!!!
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:10 PM GMT
    Goody, Goody, Ducky!

    Look at what I found in your profile:

    "Guy who is normal and not too much drama.
    (Let's face it guys unless you are dead we all can be little DRAMA QUEENS...it's called "LIFE") It's how you handle the drama and if you allow it to consume you...now that's a "RED FLAG"!"



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    Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM GMT
    Cool,

    I see you got jokes! That's good. And I find your attack both refreshing and funny! Now I ask you would a Diva Drama queen respond like this.


    You get points for trying! ha,ha,ha,!


    You are one funny, funny, funny guy!

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    Nov 13, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    This is actually pretty cool. Since we have now settled that the protests are not actually causing anyone to lose their homes (that those losing there homes were tossed out by the mormons themselves), this seems like a very effective means of turning the tables

    I don't really see it as an eye-for-an-eye -- we're not permanently taking anything from them, just delaying their marriage. They can wait a bit or go to another temple not being protested (unlike gays, where there is no option). So this is, at best, inconveniencing them (i.e. no real harm done).

    However, it is a powerful demonstration of what they, in part, have done to us. This is actually both tamer than some of what ACT-UP did back in the 80s (disrupting church ceremonies) and more fairly balanced. I would hope that protesters would be careful to not do this for funerals though (not sure if the mormons have funerals in their churches).

    I'm going to look around my area to see if there are any similar groups.

    Yes, it will not convert the mormons to our view point -- that seems pretty much out of the question no matter what. But it will 1) show them a taste of what it is like to be denied marriage, albeit only temporarily and 2) hopefully help more moderate citizens hearing about this reconsider their point in the face of the irony of it all.
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    How's that Red Flag? icon_lol.gif

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    This is just way too much fun pressing your buttons, but I gotta get back to work. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:37 PM GMT
    Cool,

    you would not even know where to begin sweetie. Cutting and posting bits from my profile did not even make on my radar...like I said before good try but no cigar.


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    Nov 13, 2008 6:12 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidWhen people are beig kicked out of there homes for standing by their faith as wrong as it is how is that right.

    It's one thing to protest, but when it comes down to people losing their shelter and resulting to someone being hurt, how is that helping our cause it is not.



    The ones getting kicked out of their homes are, apparently, Mormons who opposed Prop8 being ejected by Mormons who supported it. It's Mormon-on-Mormon oppression. As for the poor pro-8 Mormons who aren't getting to the church on time because of angry homos at the gates, serves them right. Damn right it's an eye for an eye-- that's the kind of old religious code they want to live by-- as evidenced by their trying to impose religious dogma on state laws--, the same ideology that gives them a sense of entitlement to try to withhold equal marriage rights from same-sex couples. As long as they're getting their way (as with Prop8 passing) why shouldn't they reap what they sow? It's speaking to them in their own language, since they don't appear to understand the dialogue of modern human rights or equality.

    Passivity didn't work. Conversation didn't work. Reason didn't work. The pro8 religious nuts don't care about gays' rights or happiness, it's time to stop making excuses and apologies and to respond in kind. If the world they want to live in is one where a gay person's happiness has no value to them, it's fair to show them a world where their happiness has no value to gay people. And maybe, hopefully, showing them what it's like will make them recant and think (for a change) about the consequences of their bigotry. The carrot didn't work-- they don't want to be our friends or respect us-- so it's time for the stick. If someone will never respect you, making them terrified of you is the only way to get them to back off.

    Eventually you have to stop running from bullies and punch them in the nose, let them see their own blood and reconsider what it's worth to them to pick on you, because just taking it or pleading with them ad nauseum to leave you alone doesn't work.

    Ducky44 said
    What's next killing every Morman in sight!


    No, certainly not. Unless they start killing every gay person on-sight, and then it's self-defense.

    Nature entitles us to one right and one right only, but it entitles every single animal on Earth to it: the right to defend one's self from attack. Every other right is granted arbitrarily by cultures or societies or 'the gods' or whatever, but in nature that's the only one.
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    Nov 13, 2008 6:40 PM GMT
    Imperator,

    I totally agree with what you're saying. However, I would have to stop at
    Wanting my adversary afraid gives me pause. I want my adversary to know that I am going to stand my ground and would try to educate my adversary on my point of view on an intellectual level.
    Now if someone lands that first blow of course I'm going to defend myself, it would be stupid of me not to.

    I am not going to hate Mormons for simply following tenants of their faith,
    or to think that they are all bigots, or assume that since they are Mormons that they voted for prop 8, because not all Mormons did. It's a road that leads no where.

    That would be Tantamount to my believing that people who have a Confederate hanging from the side of there house are racist, although it raises eye brows for me and makes we wonder. I would not assume that,
    Confederate flag is an important symbol of the south. If nothing else Southerns are very proud people. I respect that.