"An English Lesson" ...for the Republicans

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    Nov 13, 2008 3:12 PM GMT
    The British Conservative party has been where the Republicans are now. This article suggests how they can recover.

    "Mr. Cameron’s [new leader of the Conservatives] candidacy was built on a simple premise: modernize or die. He told the Tories they had to look as if they actually liked the country they sought to govern, rather than wishing they could turn back time. They could not hope to form a winning coalition without appealing to the Britons whom Mr. Blair had made his own: women, suburbanites, the highly educated. Relying on angry old white men was never going to get the Conservatives much beyond 33 percent.

    To that end, Mr. Cameron set about decontaminating the Tory brand. Central to that mission were forays into two areas of political terrain previously deemed forbidden zones. First, he signaled comfort with gay rights, ditching the party’s previous support for laws restricting sexual equality. [emphasis added] ....

    Mr. Cameron’s efforts have paid off: recent polls suggest a Conservative victory at the next election. Of course, the lessons of one society can never fully apply to another. But the Tory experience suggests that a defeated party of the right has to move toward the center, abandon divisive social issues and elect a leader who looks as if he or she actually belongs in the 21st century. With Arnold Schwarzenegger ineligible for the presidency and no other accommodating figure on the horizon, the Republicans might have a bumpy decade ahead. "
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    Nov 13, 2008 5:51 PM GMT
    I often state that I might be a Republican if they weren't such a bunch of tight-assed fuckers, metaphorically speaking of course.
  • EricLA

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    Nov 13, 2008 6:06 PM GMT
    If the Republicans were smart, they'd see that aligning themselves with Religious Conservatives is a path to obsolescence. They will become the party of the South and Appalachia. They will become a "regional" party. That's not to say they won't still have victories, but over time they will become less relevant. The lack of fiscal responsibility by the Bush Administration has also severely damaged their brand.

    I just don't see the Republicans as being ready to cast aside the Evangelicals. They're going to need to convince the Evangelicals to reprioritize, something I just don't see them as quite ready to do. But, we'll see.
  • Koaa2

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    Nov 13, 2008 7:24 PM GMT
    They don't seem to be learning anything at this point, which is a good thing.
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    Nov 13, 2008 7:33 PM GMT
    EricLA saidIf the Republicans were smart, they'd see that aligning themselves with Religious Conservatives is a path to obsolescence.


    Exactly. And the fact that the current leadership does not see the election as a "mandate" and claims that Palin will be the new leader of a resurrected Republican party....more true to the conservative principles that led to its defeat in 2008...means this...

    ....they won't win the next election either, despite the wacko fringe evangelical Christian voters they tend to attract.


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    Nov 13, 2008 7:44 PM GMT
    Can we get a source Caslon?
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    Nov 13, 2008 7:59 PM GMT
    Pinny saidCan we get a source Caslon?

    oops...sorry!
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/opinion/13freedland.html?th&emc=th
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    Nov 13, 2008 8:01 PM GMT
    That was from an editorial in this morning's New York Times.

    But a hole in the story is that at this point, it's not the Republicans who have shifted their party to the right, but the knee-jerk Democrats. Moderate Republicans, who were from moderate-to-liberal states, have just been removed from office by urban Democrats who unthinkingly voted the straight Democratic ticket.

    We just lost a pretty good senator to a real sleazebag. Now both sides are more extreme and there are even fewer voices of reason.
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    Nov 14, 2008 12:19 AM GMT

    The British Conservatives have reinvented themselves by leaving the gay-bashing social conservativism and adopting the Blairite socially liberal/ econonomically conservative agenda.

    Apparently Thatcher-Reagan economics is dead now though - so even fiscal conservatism might be out the window.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2008/10/humbling_of_our_banks.html

    Personally I don't think the Republicans will become socially liberal. They can continue to win elections as a morally conservative party. They do, however, need to reform their stance on immigration if they want to continue to dominate American politics.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 14, 2008 12:36 AM GMT
    The story was talked about on Morning Joe:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27699386#27699386

    And check out Chris Matthew's piece on Republican gays and the LCR (WARNING: Hot gay Republican on video):
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/20536973#20536973
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    Dec 20, 2008 1:05 AM GMT
    Although funnily enough, the Conservatives aren't doing so well right now in the UK. They've had a bad credit crunch (so far).

    It might be goodbye to the new right forever, fingers crossed.


  • styrgan

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    Dec 20, 2008 1:53 AM GMT
    Great post.

    Unfortunately, the Republican party is not the Tory party. And America is not England. The English have adopted a more European perspective when it comes to social issues, and its unlikely that the same approach would work here across the pond.

    Their opposition to gay marriage has been one of the few "success" stories of the Republican party. They have shaped the debate and have encouraged large blocks of the country to vote for them purely on the basis of denying us equal rights. In a decade or so, things may change, but for now, it's a struggle just to get mainstream Democrats on our side. Don't hold your breath for any Republican soul searching.
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    Dec 20, 2008 2:44 AM GMT
    Anyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.

    That is all.

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    Dec 20, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    *shoots Tim*
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    Dec 20, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidAnyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.

    That is all.



    Lol - Funny man. It's just as funny as watching people demand rights that quash other's... but with more of a 5th grade 'Your stupid and a poop face!' slant.
    icon_rolleyes.gif

    Ooh ooh! What if I'm ignorant as to whom these 'Tories' are? Do I at least get a lashing, a hot pocker in the eye or maybe some time in a 4'x3' cage with rats gnawing on my toes?
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    Dec 21, 2008 12:48 AM GMT
    ^ The Tories are the Conservative Party. It's sometimes used affectionately.
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    Dec 21, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    Buckwheet said
    TigerTim saidAnyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.

    That is all.



    Lol - Funny man. It's just as funny as watching people demand rights that quash other's... but with more of a 5th grade 'Your stupid and a poop face!' slant.
    icon_rolleyes.gif

    Ooh ooh! What if I'm ignorant as to whom these 'Tories' are? Do I at least get a lashing, a hot pocker in the eye or maybe some time in a 4'x3' cage with rats gnawing on my toes?


    Spot the Republican with the sense of humour. Oh wait....

    Add to the list: Anyone ignorant of any topic *whatsoever* should be shot. This is the internet, after all.

    (also, you used an apostrophe incorrectly. It's the shark tank for you. With laser beams)
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    Dec 21, 2008 4:39 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidAnyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.
    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.
    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.
    That is all.
    I just love the way gays advocate the need for diversity and yet push for such conformity! Isn't being gay wonderful!
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    Dec 21, 2008 4:52 AM GMT
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    TigerTim saidAnyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.
    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.
    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.
    That is all.
    I just love the way gays advocate the need for diversity and yet push for such conformity! Isn't being gay wonderful!


    Add to the list:

    Conformists should be shot.

    Non-conformists should be shot.

    Deconstructionalists definitely deserve to be shot.

    Idealists deserve to be shot.

    Nihilists deserve to be shot.
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    Dec 21, 2008 5:04 AM GMT
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    TigerTim saidAnyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.
    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.
    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.
    That is all.
    I just love the way gays advocate the need for diversity and yet push for such conformity! Isn't being gay wonderful!


    Okay so this is why you're a twit: You read a stupid post on the internet and extrapolate that to make a vague and ill-defined rhetorical point that sort-of validates yourself. Am I -- a paper tiger -- suddenly an Everyman for "gays"? Am I suddenly an advocate for the "need" for *diversity* whatever you think that means? Am I suddenly some monster that demands *conformity*?

    Read any of my many carefully argued posts in the past and you'll see what I really think.
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    Dec 21, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    Buckwheet said
    TigerTim saidAnyone stupid enough to equate the Tories with Republicanism deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Tory deserves to be shot.

    Anyone stupid enough to be a Republican deserves to be shot.

    That is all.



    Lol - Funny man. It's just as funny as watching people demand rights that quash other's... but with more of a 5th grade 'Your stupid and a poop face!' slant.
    icon_rolleyes.gif

    Ooh ooh! What if I'm ignorant as to whom these 'Tories' are? Do I at least get a lashing, a hot pocker in the eye or maybe some time in a 4'x3' cage with rats gnawing on my toes?


    Spot the Republican with the sense of humour. Oh wait....

    I'm not registered to vote. I'm a Separatist.. you know like in Star Wars? I have a green flak jacket and laser pistol and all that good stuff.

    TigerTim saidAdd to the list: Anyone ignorant of any topic *whatsoever* should be shot. This is the internet, after all.

    /narrows eyes suspiciously
    I think you're back pedaling.

    TigerTim said(also, you used an apostrophe incorrectly. It's the shark tank for you. With laser beams)


    Filthy lies! I deny this outrageous allegation.

    (And isn't it supposed to be 'freakin' laser beams'?)
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    Dec 21, 2008 5:09 AM GMT
    Buckwheet saiddemand rights that quash other's


    Death.
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    Dec 21, 2008 5:10 AM GMT
    Wait, Buckwheat, you're a separatist for what exactly?!??!
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    Dec 21, 2008 7:30 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidWait, Buckwheat, you're a separatist for what exactly?!??!


    From the Empire! DOH! icon_razz.gif

    For Trandoshan Freedom! (And skin all the wookies you want)
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    Dec 21, 2008 12:08 PM GMT
    Well although I'm against capital punishment, gay Republicans should at least be lashed with the birch.


    (hahaha)