Prop 8 Passed Because Of Older People

  • metta

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    Nov 13, 2008 7:11 PM GMT


    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html



    "At the end of the day, Prop 8's passage was more a generational matter than a racial one. If nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a point or two. It appears that the generational splits may be larger within minority communities than among whites, although the data on this is sketchy.

    The good news for supporters of marriage equity is that -- and there's no polite way to put this -- the older voters aren't going to be around for all that much longer, and they'll gradually be cycled out and replaced by younger voters who grew up in a more tolerant era. Everyone knew going in that Prop 8 was going to be a photo finish -- California might be just progressive enough and 2008 might be just soon enough for the voters to affirm marriage equity. Or, it might fall just short, which is what happened. But two or four or six or eight years from now, it will get across the finish line."


    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html


    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/was-age-really.html
  • EricLA

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    Nov 13, 2008 8:57 PM GMT
    Yup, I've already posted this in answer to some of the other Prop 8 blogs going around.
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    Shall we protest outside bingo halls?
  • joggerva

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    Nov 13, 2008 9:03 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidShall we protest outside bingo halls?


    And Old Country Buffet at 4 pm... shoot, I'm late... they're probably already on dessert.
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:03 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidShall we protest outside bingo halls?


    Yes, along with senior citizen's residences, nursing homes and lawn bowling venues. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:06 PM GMT
    Shoulda had a Great Schlep of gay grandkids to their grandparents in California!
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:08 PM GMT
    GQguy2 saidNOOOO! not again. First it was the Blacks and the Latinos now the blame is put on the old folks. When will it stop? Some could place the blame on the gay community for not reaching out to other communities for support because of too much gay pride. I'll be waiting to see who else will be blamed for the failure of prop 8.


    Nobody has mentioned the freemasons as yet.
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:10 PM GMT
    "Shall we protest outside bingo halls?"

    No, just stand outside, listening in to the game and after the caller has called enough numbers, yell "BINGO!" and watch what happens. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:14 PM GMT
    WOW! When will the blame game in end. Now the Elderly are you kidding me with this...oh come on!
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:14 PM GMT
    GQguy2 saidNOOOO! not again. First it was the Blacks and the Latinos now the blame is put on the old folks. When will it stop? Some could place the blame on the gay community for not reaching out to other communities for support because of too much gay pride. I'll be waiting to see who else will be blamed for the failure of prop 8.


    Oh I know. Let's stop figuring out who's to blame and just get to reversing it! I mean, really... is knowing "who's at fault" really going to change anything?
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidWOW! When will the blame game in end. Now the Elderly are you kidding me with this...oh come on!


    i blame ducky44

    he just looks too good in a suit, the mormons couldnt take it.
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    Nov 13, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    Blink,

    You are a funny,funny,funny man! icon_biggrin.gif It's not the first time that I have been blamed for the mis-deeds of others. icon_lol.gif
  • swimbikerun

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    Nov 13, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    Down with O.Q.B! (Old, Queer,Blatinos)
  • olden

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    Nov 13, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    It's BLAME TIME !! Let's take a look at Irvine, my city. Average age of the residents is higher that that of Orange Co. Average education is higher. Party is Republican. Vote of Prop 8 - NO. Now let's look at Santa Ana. Average age is a little lower than county average. Education level is lower. Party is Democratic. Vote on Prop 8 - overwhelmingly YES. BTW, the other cities in Orange Co. that voted No on 8 are twins of Irvine in all demographic respects, except for Laguna Beach, which is the brother we always keep locked in the attic when company comes visiting. LOL

    I think we lost because we failed to campaign effectively. If nothing else, I saw about ten Yes on 8 posters to every one No on 8. I got telephone calls up to and including election day for Yes on 8. I got no telephone calls for No on 8. If we did not get our message out, we can't blame others for not hearing us.
  • joggerva

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    Nov 13, 2008 10:08 PM GMT
    olden saidIt's BLAME TIME !! Let's take a look at Irvine, my city. Average age of the residents is higher that that of Orange Co. Average education is higher. Party is Republican. Vote of Prop 8 - NO. Now let's look at Santa Ana. Average age is a little lower than county average. Education level is lower. Party is Democratic. Vote on Prop 8 - overwhelmingly YES. BTW, the other cities in Orange Co. that voted No on 8 are twins of Irvine in all demographic respects, except for Laguna Beach, which is the brother we always keep locked in the attic when company comes visiting. LOL


    Ooo Ooo!! Another demographic to target!! Thanks Olden! Down with the uneducated! Booooo. Let's protest them too!! icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 13, 2008 10:09 PM GMT
    im sure the jews had something to do with it too..

    can't i blame them as well?
    pleeeeeaassee.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Nov 13, 2008 10:13 PM GMT

    Why single out any group?
    I think that you should blame the lack of votes against Prop 8.

  • joggerva

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    Nov 13, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y saidim sure the jews had something to do with it too..

    can't i blame them as well?
    pleeeeeaassee.


    Geez blink, don't be all racist and stuff. Let's blame the handicapped - them bitches had it coming. icon_twisted.gif
  • joggerva

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    Nov 13, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    Wait a minute. I just actually read the OP.

    ArticleIf nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a point or two.


    Seriously? If no one over the age of 65 voted? Would have failed by a point or two? That hardly seems significant.
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    Nov 13, 2008 10:22 PM GMT
    blinktwice4y saidim sure the jews had something to do with it too..

    can't i blame them as well?
    pleeeeeaassee.


    Actually, I read that in Florida about 62% of Jews voted against the Florida amendment banning same sex marriage. That's pretty good.
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    Nov 13, 2008 10:28 PM GMT
    dfrw said
    blinktwice4y saidim sure the jews had something to do with it too..

    can't i blame them as well?
    pleeeeeaassee.


    Actually, in Florida, I read that about 62% of Jews voted against the Florida amendment banning same sex marriage. That's pretty good.


    excellent.......... excellent............


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    Nov 13, 2008 10:30 PM GMT
    Prop 8 was passed because the community (such as it is) overestimated the support of the rest of society, lack of diversity where this marriage issue is concerned/sold, and because the community has failed to contextualize this issue as one of civil rights owed all citizens and NOT just those in MA or CA. Futhermore, Prop 8 passed because lgbt people have been consistently polite and unwilling to challenge the religious right, the consequence being that our "tolerance" has been used against us. It's time the gloves came off, imho (on not just this issue but also sex education, reproductive rights, and the right's support of warfare).

    God, Prop 8 passed because a lot of people...let's stop singling people out and focus on getting as organized, galvanized, and more focused as the religious right/fundamentalists.
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    Nov 13, 2008 10:30 PM GMT
    It's easy fight against this "older" group. Just wait them out. Or on next election, open the biggest bingo hall with free viagra and dental paste. That'll distract them.
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    Nov 13, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    Thank you for saying this, it is important.

    olden saidIt's BLAME TIME !! Let's take a look at Irvine, my city. Average age of the residents is higher that that of Orange Co. Average education is higher. Party is Republican. Vote of Prop 8 - NO. Now let's look at Santa Ana. Average age is a little lower than county average. Education level is lower. Party is Democratic. Vote on Prop 8 - overwhelmingly YES. BTW, the other cities in Orange Co. that voted No on 8 are twins of Irvine in all demographic respects, except for Laguna Beach, which is the brother we always keep locked in the attic when company comes visiting. LOL

    I think we lost because we failed to campaign effectively. If nothing else, I saw about ten Yes on 8 posters to every one No on 8. I got telephone calls up to and including election day for Yes on 8. I got no telephone calls for No on 8. If we did not get our message out, we can't blame others for not hearing us.
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    Nov 13, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    Thirdbeach said
    Why single out any group?

    Oh, I don't know.....to figure out WHY there was a lack of votes, perhaps? So that the community can learn which demographics need to be targeted for education (black and latino communities) or backhanding (LDS) so that the next time around things will tip in our favor instead?

    But I guess we could just stick with the "Oh shucks, we just need to have more votes somehow" method to keep it seem like anyone's being singled out for blame. Because, god knows, there's nothing worse than hurt feelings.