Elysium - never seen such major plotholes

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    Aug 10, 2013 7:18 AM GMT
    If Elysium was already such a legendary place featured in children's books while Matt Damon was a little kid, what on earth did the corporation do in the ensuing decades with all that infrastructure they used to build the death star? Go back to making robots? Doesn't this evil capitalism thing depend on growth?

    What's with all these high-up-on-the-political-chain villains and their inability to delegate, personally directing the massacres of illegal migrants and chatting up psychotic sleeper agents face-to-face. What happened to plausible deniability? Homeland Security is so useless without Jody Foster that the minute she leaves the room, enemy ships just land on people's front lawns.

    In this cruel dystopia, it's nice to know that the billionaire CEO will at least make a personal visit to every low-level factory worker who gets an injury and make faces at him through a window.

    Psycho mercenary has half his head blown off, but comes back to life thanks to miracle machine because "brain is still intact". His boss dies because of one bad cut.

    Not to mention the happy ending that probably won't last longer than the credits, as the immediate conversation among the Elysium elite might go like:

    "don't worry mr president, we didn't replace you with that hobo, it's just a computer virus"
    "why the fuck is there a save-the-planet boot mode?? call it off!"
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    Aug 10, 2013 9:21 AM GMT
    Just saw it today, It was pretty good. Matt Damon was really sexy in it. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 10, 2013 9:35 AM GMT
    Previews looked boring to me.. Plus I don't understand why everything would all of a sudden get better when they go to the utopia ship space thingy... I mean with all of that security shouldn't there be a way just for the places owners to blow it up when all the poor people board it or stop maintaining it and let it soon lose power... it also seemed liked the main goal was just to get a few people there not everyone so wouldn't the people who live there just shun them or something like they did back on earth before moving to a new space shuttle thingy... Watching the movie may clear some of this ish up for me.. but I don't think it will enough to make it a good movie

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    Aug 10, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
    Saw it and it's unquestionably the WORST movie I've seen this year, maybe several years. Having trouble calling to mind a worse movie. It would have to work hard to get from the boring piece of artless waste of time it is to improve to B-minus sci-fi. And WTF is up with Jodie Foster's accent? OMG BAD! icon_sad.gif When Matt Damon going all butch can't raise a flick from TERRIBLE to at least bearable, you know it reeks.
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    Aug 10, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    But like literally the human being is screwing together a robot, and examining what appears to be a radiation hardening test room or whatever. For an anthropomorphic robot that certainly costs less than he does in food, shelter, water treatment, etc. That could put together other robots itself, instead of said costly, squishy, break-y meatbag. It does not. Make. Sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit.

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    Aug 10, 2013 9:14 PM GMT
    A tired old tale. The 1% live in space, while all the 99%ers live on earth with death, disease, poverty and (worst of all) REALLY FUCKING SLOW INTERNET.
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    Aug 11, 2013 2:35 AM GMT
    Has anyone read Atlas Shrugged? For those of you who read, give the Movie(Elysium) and the book (Atlas Shrugged) some thought.

    Yes, Elysium has many plot holes. However, it's the idea that counts. Many people see this in our future (sans the plot issues of the movie).
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    Aug 11, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
    blkbodybdr saidHas anyone read Atlas Shrugged? For those of you with a smidgen of literacy, give the Movie(Elysium) and the book (Atlas Shrugged) some thought.


    I've read Atlas Shrugged, as well as The Fountainhead, and a couple of others. What's your point? Doesn't make this a good movie.

    Stronger steel and architecture aren't logically self-contradictory.

    However people having anthropomorphic robots, yet still using humans to build said robots, is laughably ridiculous. Have you ever been in a car factory?
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    Aug 11, 2013 2:51 AM GMT
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    blkbodybdr saidHas anyone read Atlas Shrugged? For those of you with a smidgen of literacy, give the Movie(Elysium) and the book (Atlas Shrugged) some thought.


    I've read Atlas Shrugged, as well as The Fountainhead, and a couple of others. What's your point? Doesn't make this a good movie.

    Stronger steel and architecture aren't logically self-contradictory.

    However people having anthropomorphic robots, yet still using humans to build said robots, is laughably ridiculous. Have you ever been in a car factory?


    My point is Elysium is the ultimate end game of Atlas Shrugged.

    Ayn Rand was less than mediocre writer. Atlas Shrugged was a poorly conceived effort with as many logical holes as Elysium (the movie). On second thought I think Elysium was a much better effort than Atlas Shrugged.
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    Aug 11, 2013 3:05 AM GMT
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    blkbodybdr saidHas anyone read Atlas Shrugged? For those of you with a smidgen of literacy, give the Movie(Elysium) and the book (Atlas Shrugged) some thought.


    I've read Atlas Shrugged, as well as The Fountainhead, and a couple of others. What's your point? Doesn't make this a good movie.

    Stronger steel and architecture aren't logically self-contradictory.

    However people having anthropomorphic robots, yet still using humans to build said robots, is laughably ridiculous. Have you ever been in a car factory?


    My point is Elysium is the ultimate end game of Atlas Shrugged.

    Ayn Rand was less than mediocre writer. Atlas Shrugged was a poorly conceived effort with as many logical holes as Elysium (the movie). On second thought I think Elysium was a much better effort than Atlas Shrugged.


    May I, just for a moment, point out how hilarious it is to see the attempted sentence, "Ayn Rand was less than mediocre writer"? I mean really.

    So your incredibly astute literary criticism to the side, that's a highly subjective judgment. Sure, it lacks character development and has many technical failings. Yet it's still incredibly engaging, and communicates a core message in an unusually effective manner.

    I find it more interesting to focus on why it succeeds.

    As for plot holes, please tell me what those are. What Rand does most successfully is demonstrate the slow road to Hell that is socialism. Each item of progression in that novel is a thinly veiled reference to actual events that occurred in Russia. So I fail to understand where the plot holes lie.

    A plot hole is using people to manufacture anthropomorphic robots. A plot hole is only having one orbital station. A plot hole is an incompetent goon squad that only Jodi Foster can manage. Implausibility is a resident of Elysium jetting down to gawk at an industrial accident. Implausible is capitalism not creating more of the miracle machines that extend health, especially since it's cheaper to fix people than train them to make robots that should be replacing them anyway (especially in dangerous situations).

    To say that Elysium is the logical conclusion of Atlas Shrugged is to say that astrology is the logical conclusion of the Principia.

    You're literally just saying words that you think sound good, with no logical backing, no evidence, and no real underpinning substance to make me believe you have an argument. It's simply bluster.
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    Aug 11, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    LOL. Pretty sure Elysium is supposed to be an mindless sci-fi action movie, and not a critical analysis of socioeconomic theories.

    This is like when some people thought Avatar had some deep message about environmental pollution and global warming.
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    Aug 11, 2013 7:29 AM GMT
    Matt Damon all pumped up shirtless and hot. It was worth the price of the IMAX ticket.

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    Besides, it was a movie about "universal healthcare" with an underlying theme of "He died to save us all."

    The only thing I didn't like was the way Jodi Foster died. The camera work on the mirror shards, Foster, and Copley were just too predictable. He should have just smashed his fist into the mirror grabbed a shard and slit her throat in one fast, loud, and well timed camera sequence. In that way the scene would have had much more "impact" and "edge" (literally).

    It was entertaining sci-fi eye candy, but very mediocre at best.
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    Aug 11, 2013 7:31 AM GMT
    xrichx saidLOL. Pretty sure Elysium is supposed to be an mindless sci-fi action movie, and not a critical analysis of socioeconomic theories.

    This is like when some people thought Avatar had some deep message about environmental pollution and global warming.


    WAIT! icon_eek.gif

    I thought Avatar was a movie with some deep message about people with disabilities and the preservation of aboriginal cultures???? Wasn't it? icon_question.gif
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    Aug 11, 2013 8:18 AM GMT
    Clearly we need a sci-fi movie about universal healthcare, a Messiah, social inequality, Gaia theory, the perils of automation, indigenous peoples, the disabled, gun control, how scary competition from China is, how important labor unions are, and any other points of guilt/absurd fantasist nonsense impacting the left.

    The absurd fantasist nonsense of the right is already adequately covered by FOX News.
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    Aug 11, 2013 8:23 AM GMT
    Finally I generate enough chum.
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    Aug 11, 2013 9:04 AM GMT
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    principal0 saidFinally I generate enough chum.

    Care to explain exactly what you have against the disabled? Is it a moral failure or something?


    I have nothing against the disabled at all. However they are a totem for guilt to be directed toward left-leaning people, and I reference that largely because Avatar's ham-fisted attempt to be self-righteous about it. Of course in the movie the protagonist only manages to achieve utility because he obtains a form with full mobility, which is another discussion entirely on the subject of how condescending a film it is.

    My grandfather is a paraplegic; he also came back from the war that left him paralyzed and eventually ran a hospital system. I can't imagine having done the same. However he also gets irritated with the use of disabled people as political props, particularly on the left. Largely because they are immediately seen as possible dependents of the state.

    I think the distaste comes from the concept of trafficking in misery.
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    Aug 11, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidMatt Damon all pumped up shirtless and hot. It was worth the price of the IMAX ticket.

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    It was entertaining sci-fi eye candy, but very mediocre at best.


    I couldn't get to "mediocre" even with Matt's beefy bod, but I'll say that I didn't walk out because I kept hoping for more of him more naked! icon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 11, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
    Consider the irony:

    Jodie Foster, net worth $100 million, her wardrobe for this movie was designed by ARMANI.

    I think this movie is Blokamp's private ha-ha at the expense of #Occupy types, and a $98 million dollar practical joke on the always sanctimonious and socially-concerned MATTDAMON.
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    Aug 11, 2013 5:08 PM GMT
    blkbodybdr saidHas anyone read Atlas Shrugged? For those of you who read, give the Movie(Elysium) and the book (Atlas Shrugged) some thought.

    Yes, Elysium has many plot holes. However, it's the idea that counts. Many people see this in our future (sans the plot issues of the movie).


    I could see a future somewhat along the lines of the movie. I'm not sure we have a capability to build and maintain a giant space station but I wouldn't be surprised to see us in a world sort of like that found in the movie Babylon A.D. Widespread lawlessness as nations collapse and society clings together in slums. Countries like the US go the isolation route.

    In an uncertain future with scare resources I'd rather live in the country with the most advanced guns.
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    Aug 11, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
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    blkbodybdr saidHas anyone read Atlas Shrugged? For those of you with a smidgen of literacy, give the Movie(Elysium) and the book (Atlas Shrugged) some thought.


    I've read Atlas Shrugged, as well as The Fountainhead, and a couple of others. What's your point? Doesn't make this a good movie.

    Stronger steel and architecture aren't logically self-contradictory.

    However people having anthropomorphic robots, yet still using humans to build said robots, is laughably ridiculous. Have you ever been in a car factory?


    My point is Elysium is the ultimate end game of Atlas Shrugged.

    Ayn Rand was less than mediocre writer. Atlas Shrugged was a poorly conceived effort with as many logical holes as Elysium (the movie). On second thought I think Elysium was a much better effort than Atlas Shrugged.


    Amen!
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    Aug 11, 2013 6:01 PM GMT
    The scenario you're talking about, ATC, makes no sense in the context of international trade and labor mobility. After all, that's what everyone's complaining about with globalization, isn't it? That other people are catching up quickly and we're not special anymore.

    So the only way you have apocalyptic scenarios like the one you're suggesting is if labor unions have their way and shut us down to international trade and labor (thank God for the H-1B). Capitalism doesn't cause these sorts of nightmares, politicians do.
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    Aug 11, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    And I love the "Amen!" with absolutely nothing else to support it. It's fun to just believe whatever you like without articulating annoying things like reasons and facts.
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    Aug 11, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
    principal0 saidAnd I love the "Amen!" with absolutely nothing else to support it. It's fun to just believe whatever you like without articulating annoying things like reasons and facts.


    You don't have many friends, do you?

    Inb4 I need facts to prove it
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    Aug 11, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    I for one am just glad to see that it has prompted Matt Damon to get in shape again icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 11, 2013 7:15 PM GMT
    Now Im on the fence about seeing it. Most movies seem to be crap these days - its too bad. Science fiction movies used to be my favorite


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