There are too many states in America.

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    Aug 12, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
    I was just looking at the global map of LGBT rights and thought how easy it was for mexico and Canada to get Gay marriage from happening in just one jurisdiction to being recognised nationally, and it got me thinking, once a single state in any nation or region starts recognising something, the trend takes far longer to spread over to all corners in America than it does in other large countries, maybe it's because you have like 30 states that have little more than a million or so, thoughts?
  • Hothouse

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    Aug 12, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
    There are only two states really - the state of confusion and the state of denial.
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    Aug 12, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Hothouse saidThere are only two states really - the state of confusion and the state of denial.

    You forgot Ohio, which is another sort of mental state altogether.icon_smile.gif


    Well, thank you very much.
    I spend every waking minute trying to forget about Ohio and you've reminded me.
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    Aug 12, 2013 5:26 PM GMT
    It's not the number of states, it's ideology. Canada and the UK are more progressive socially than the United States is, where so-cons cannot be easily overridden. Of westernized countries, the US is among the most conservative socially.
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    Aug 12, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    It's not because there are too many states. It's because there are too many conservatives.
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
    While a curious topic I don't think redrawing our map will ever be a possibility.
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:28 PM GMT
    ATC84 saidWhile a curious topic I don't think redrawing our map will ever be a possibility.


    Never underestimate gerrymandering!
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Hothouse saidThere are only two states really - the state of confusion and the state of denial.

    You forgot Ohio, which is another sort of mental state altogether.icon_smile.gif


    Still not as bad as Texas! We still have Rick Perry for Governor!
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
    At least combine North Dakota and South Dakota so that they combine for 4 electoral votes instead of the 6 that they get.

    And while we're at it, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming aren't appreciably different from each other.
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:39 PM GMT
    Australia has 6 states and no gay marriage. So that ruins your theory.
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    We may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
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    Aug 12, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    Map-of-the-US-according-to-NYC-e13113281

    URG if you're not in Cali or NY, then blah, you don't matter !!! hehehmuaahh just kidding. icon_redface.gificon_lol.gif
  • hyperionx

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    Aug 12, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
    Your argument is based on the idea that because there are so many voices involved, it must be difficult to achieve some kind of consensus on LGBT rights (or anything).

    I wholeheartedly disagree. In the United States the consensus on LGBT rights came in the form of two decades of the community dominated by discriminatory laws such as DADT and DOMA. They did achieve consensus on the topic.

    Make no mistake -- your political leaders are doing this now because it's chic to support the LGBT community and it's reached a point-of-no-return. They didn't do it because they wanted to uphold the principles of equal rights. The majority of your leaders would never have touched this issue a decade ago. If the Democrats or Republicans or whoever was in charge really desired equal rights for the LGBT community, they would have done it already.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
    NJDewd saidWe may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
    DC will never be a state. The reason it isn't a state is so that no other state feels superior since it would be the capital.

    PR will never become a 51st state as well. There is way too much red tape to become a state.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:25 AM GMT
    Dont forget about status also of

    The Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands

    Our Judicial court has a location there and Obama is President over these islands.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    Since we are dreaming perhaps an easier solution is to eliminate the US Senate.

    Think about it - isn't it silly to have a body of government where a low population state like Montana has the same influence as a highly populated state like New York?

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    Aug 13, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
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    NJDewd saidWe may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
    DC will never be a state. The reason it isn't a state is so that no other state feels superior since it would be the capital.

    PR will never become a 51st state as well. There is way too much red tape to become a state.


    If theres so much red tape then how did Alaska and Hawaii become states?
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:30 AM GMT
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    RadRTT said
    NJDewd saidWe may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
    DC will never be a state. The reason it isn't a state is so that no other state feels superior since it would be the capital.

    PR will never become a 51st state as well. There is way too much red tape to become a state.


    If theres so much red tape then how did Alaska and Hawaii become states?
    We bought Alaska and conquered Hawaii
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:31 AM GMT
    ATC84 saidSince we are dreaming perhaps an easier solution is to eliminate the US Senate.

    Think about it - isn't it silly to have a body of government where a low population state like Montana has the same influence as a highly populated state like New York?



    +! my thoughts exactly, and even in the house of representatives its never in a good portion, small, rural, republican states always have a disproportionate vote than do the bigger blue states.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:31 AM GMT
    RadRTT said
    i2ci2i said
    RadRTT said
    NJDewd saidWe may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
    DC will never be a state. The reason it isn't a state is so that no other state feels superior since it would be the capital.

    PR will never become a 51st state as well. There is way too much red tape to become a state.


    If theres so much red tape then how did Alaska and Hawaii become states?
    We bought Alaska and conquered Hawaii


    Didn't you buy/conquer puerto rico from Spain?
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:32 AM GMT
    IMO, I love how Foreigners constantly bash our political system and culture...yet are so defensive to their own.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:34 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidIMO, I love how Foreigners constantly bash our political system and culture...yet are so defensive to their own.


    The nice thing about the UK is that there are only 4 subnational states, we have gay marriage in England and wales and all thats left is Scotland and Northern ireland, while the USA still has another 37 states to go, it's going to take forever.
  • CityofDreams

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    Aug 13, 2013 12:34 AM GMT
    MMMMMMMM, Mexico is also divided into many states, 31 to be exact.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:37 AM GMT
    i2ci2i said
    RadRTT said
    NJDewd saidWe may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
    DC will never be a state. The reason it isn't a state is so that no other state feels superior since it would be the capital.

    PR will never become a 51st state as well. There is way too much red tape to become a state.


    If theres so much red tape then how did Alaska and Hawaii become states?


    Because we conquered them. icon_razz.gif JK JK
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    RadRTT said
    i2ci2i said
    RadRTT said
    NJDewd saidWe may have 51 or 52 soon? PR & DC!
    DC will never be a state. The reason it isn't a state is so that no other state feels superior since it would be the capital.

    PR will never become a 51st state as well. There is way too much red tape to become a state.


    If theres so much red tape then how did Alaska and Hawaii become states?
    We bought Alaska and conquered Hawaii


    Buying and conquering are not how these two territories became states, but you really knew that, right?