A DAY WITHOUT GAYS

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    Nov 14, 2008 7:20 PM GMT
    this is joel stein's op-ed in the l.a. times today.

    NO GAYS FOR A DAY?

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    Nov 14, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    LalaPaulooza saidthis is joel stein's op-ed in the l.a. times today.

    NO GAYS FOR A DAY?



    Count me in. We need to remind people in this recession that we are a positive economic force.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    Are you kidding? Stay indoors to show society how vital we are to them?
    I think that's the most insulting thing they could say to us... you really think that this kind of subterfuge is going to get us to stop protesting a violation of our rights? Bullshit.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:26 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidAre you kidding? Stay indoors to show society how vital we are to them?
    Could you possibly be more insulting?


    Aww...it's just for a day. Let them see the contrast.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    Hell no! I'm not going to give a break people who don't want to deal with my presence just because I am gay. We have to deal with their ignorant asses daily.

    To those of you out there protesting... STAY OUT THERE!
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:29 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidHell no! We have to learn to live with them and their bullshit....


    I didn't take it as relieving them of us, but taking ourselves, our skills, and our money away for one day.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    No way, Rugger.... I respect you, but I think this idea is just a bunch of crap. The world will get along fine without us and our money for a day, and those that treat us like second-class citizens will see it as a respite from having to deal with us for 24 hours. I don't WANT to give them a break, nor do I want to be "tricked into it" by a stupid idea like this. NO GODDAM WAY!

    I mean it guys... those of you out there protesting DON'T LET YOURSELVES BE SILENCED!
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    Well there you go, and down here the hospitality industry would suffer. But we are just to laid back for such a thing to take off down here. But you know. It's an Idea I would support, and participate in, if I was in the USA.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidNo way, Rugger.... I respect you, but I think this idea is just a bunch of crap. The world will get along fine without us and our money for a day, and those that treat us like second-class citizens will see it as a respite from having to deal with us for 24 hours. NO GODDAM WAY!


    I think they'll notice a void more than they'll notice a respite. Am I valuing us too high?
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:39 PM GMT
    Sahem, with all due respect, you seem to be entirely missing the point of the article. It's not a day without protest; it's a day OF protest, in which we all collectively withhold from contributing to society, so that society can see how much it needs us. Quite simply, it's a STRIKE. Strikes are powerful and effective tools for getting your needs addressed. This would indeed be a powerful protest, a show of solidarity with tremendous impact, IF we all participate. But that's the big IF.

    I doubt it's real, though; the column seemed kind of tongue-in-cheek. But still -- cool idea.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:41 PM GMT
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    SAHEM62896 saidNo way, Rugger.... I respect you, but I think this idea is just a bunch of crap. The world will get along fine without us and our money for a day, and those that treat us like second-class citizens will see it as a respite from having to deal with us for 24 hours. NO GODDAM WAY!


    I think they'll notice a void more than they'll notice a respite. Am I valuing us too high?


    No, but I would put more value on their ignorance to keep them saying that "Eh they tried and didn't put a dent in our economy" even if we totally shut them down for a day.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    rotabilis saidSahem, with all due respect, you seem to be entirely missing the point of the article. It's not a day without protest; it's a day OF protest, in which we all collectively withhold from contributing to society, so that society can see how much it needs us. Quite simply, it's a STRIKE. Strikes are powerful and effective tools for getting your needs addressed. This would indeed be a powerful protest, a show of solidarity with tremendous impact, IF we all participate. But that's the big IF.

    I doubt it's real, though; the column seemed kind of tongue-in-cheek. But still -- cool idea.


    Well, if we make it real, it will be real. I say let's start a phone and email chain asking our gay comrades to participate.
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    Nov 14, 2008 9:54 PM GMT
    Sahem,

    Whether or not it would be effective is debatable, but I don't understand how it appears to you as "caving in". When workers strike, they are defying their employer. It is the OPPOSITE of caving in. And who says we'd be silent? Striking workers aren't silent. Your logic eludes me. icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:10 PM GMT
    Sorry Rotabills... I know I had posted something before and deleted it before you responded. Here's what I said:

    Look, I just think you're overvaluing the message that something like this carries. The haters are going to be glad to not deal with us, and our supporters are going to wonder why we caved in and agreed to be silenced for a day. I'm sorry, but I smell subterfuge in this. Maybe I'm a bit of a skeptic, but even if this is tongue in cheek, it sounds like a way to get us to be quiet. I don't see why we should be quiet.


    I don't dispute that strikes are powerful expressions of defiance and solidarity. Gandhi pulled something like this in India and it worked great. But for me, I just don't like the idea that we gays and lesbians have to "go away" to make the force of our presence known... especially to people who could care less if we live or die (or would probably prefer that we die). We've lived in secrecy for too damn long. Hell we've been construed as mentally ill until very recently. And for me, personally, I have worked too long and too hard to be able to walk with a little dignity and self-love as a gay man to cooperate with an idea that would have us "hide out." Am I wrong for seeing it like that?
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:23 PM GMT
    The idea, Sahem, is to show the world just how much we contribute to society, both socially and economically. In the case of the Latino activists mentioned, earlier, the loss of their labor for a day had a very real and noticeable impact on the industries that rely upon immigrant labor. That's essentially the same type of outcome we would be seeking.
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:28 PM GMT
    I believe this idea may be based on a movie called "A Day Without Mexicans". It's a real eye opener about how much the economy of the border states (esp California) depends on immigrant labor.
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
    I think in your next pride march. Instead of walking the streets, almost naked, and making it look like one big orgy. If all police, and military, wore their uniforms, factory workers wore theirs, and Doctor and nurses too, one of the most respected profession of today, and so on. Would show another side of the community, other than looking like perverts, would show how diverse the community is.

    Oh here in Melbourne, they have a march down Fitzroy Street St Kilda ever year. We now have the Police force march in it too, in uniform, to show support for their gay and lesbian comrades. This up sets many people, but it still happens. Even the Top Cop has walked in the march.
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:37 PM GMT


    Guys, this is a good good idea. I worked for the phone co for 23 years and was once told by someone in senior management that their stats division had determined that gay people are 'vital users of the system' which translates into BIG BUCKEROOS!

    Voting at the cash register is a powerful powerful tool. This is a little grim, but looking back at the AIDS crisis, when gays began dying it soon became apparent how integral they were in the arts, health care field, education, the boardroom, airlines, the travel and hospitality industries, etc. By and large gays are big spenders. The trick is to make a concerted timed effort. Now THERE'S drama!

    -Doug

    Go guys, go! PS Hide in the house? Nah - spend your money at places that are gay friendly or owned and operated.

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    Nov 14, 2008 10:40 PM GMT


    PS that fact that there is a recession is going to make this divinely ironic (deliberate double-entendre), isn't it?
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    What do you mean, "hiding out"? I don't understand that statement. Was Gandhi "hiding out"? Were striking US steelworkers "hiding out"? Your statement makes no sense to me.
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    Nov 14, 2008 10:41 PM GMT
    ruck_us saidThe idea, Sahem, is to show the world just how much we contribute to society, both socially and economically. In the case of the Latino activists mentioned, earlier, the loss of their labor for a day had a very real and noticeable impact on the industries that rely upon immigrant labor. That's essentially the same type of outcome we would be seeking.

    I do understand that... and I don't dispute that the impact we have on society economically and socially is large. I just have an issue with the idea of "a day without gays." It sounds like a gay-hater's utopia to me... that's why it gets my shorts in a bunch. And also, how could we possibly do this without alienating our supporters who are straight... like the ones on Capitol Hill? I'd hate to think that us negatively impacting the already crippled economy would backfire on us politically.

    rotabilis saidWhat do you mean, "hiding out"? I don't understand that statement. Was Gandhi "hiding out"? Were striking US steelworkers "hiding out"? Your statement makes no sense to me.

    I'm willing to admit that I may have the wrong vision of this too, but the words "a day without gays" keeps calling forth an idea that was similar to what Gandhi and his cohorts arranged in India during the fight for independence. They actually called for a "general strike" where everyone stayed home to pray and fast so that the telegraph stations, the sea ports, the rail lines and so forth would all be inoperable unless the British stepped up to the plate and did it themselves. Is that what people are envisioning (minus the prayer and fasting part), or are we talking something like the strikes you were talking about where we stand outside and say, "You want us to work? Give us the dignity of our rights." Or is this something different altogether? I mean, if I have the wrong idea, PLEASE tell me now so that I can give the soapbox to someone who needs the wood. icon_rolleyes.gificon_cool.gificon_lol.gif
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    Nov 14, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    Art becoming reality.

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    For the most part, what's happening took place in this 2006 made for tv movie.
    ...and even though Stamos plays a gay man, I can tell that he's absolutely, unfortunately straight.
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    Nov 15, 2008 12:43 AM GMT
    I don't think this is a logical approach. The Latino Great American Boycott didn't make a dent in the economy and their population is far greater than the gay community and its supporter's populations combined. Additionally, there is already a serious economic downturn that won't allow any plausible significant economic pains to be remotely associated to any boycotting we do. Simply put, the numbers don't exist. Numbers work against us. We need to demonstrate and fight the fight in the courts.
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    Nov 15, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    A slightly cooler idea would be that if everyone who did take the day off put it to real good use like volunteer work. If something like that happened, we'd really get the press' attention. Hit 'em in the other place it hurts, their egos. Imagine if gays could be credited with starting a national day of help.
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    Nov 15, 2008 1:16 AM GMT
    yea this shit is stupid im not going to lock my self away for one day. thats like going back in the closet fuck that shit.