Would u fear for ur life if u were gay in Russia right now?.....

  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:15 AM GMT
    What would u do if u were gay living in a country say like Russis or Gambia or any other country where LGBT rights are oppressed & forbidden & where there is an anti-gay backlash? Would u stay in the closet, flee the country or fight for ur rights with the likely possibility of being killed or injured in the process?.....
  • Generaleclect...

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:19 AM GMT
    I'd probably freeze to death first; I can hardly stay under an AC for very long.

    (Find a way out of the country)
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:22 AM GMT
    Generaleclectic saidI'd probably freeze to death first; I can hardly stay under an AC for too long.

    (Find a way out of the country)


    I wonder if there are a lot of gays fleeing or leaving their backward countries where there is anti-gay backlash going on or if they can even flee their country?.....
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    Aug 13, 2013 5:29 AM GMT
    This is a very good question!

    There are many people who are suggesting and even judging LGBT Russians for various reasons.
    as it's said, you don't fear by telling others what to do, because if anything fails or goes wrong it's them who's going to suffer, not you. But if you take it as your own problem, you'll think totally different.

    According to the conditions our actions should change....
    like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
    From practical point, may be I should first focus on the most severe problem which Russia is facing currently.
    From ethical, I would say 'Civil Disobedience'
    In reality...I don't know what will happen.

    One thing I know for sure is, escaping or running away from Russia will not solve the problem to all Russians.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:37 AM GMT
    Harry7785 saidThis is a very good question!

    There are many people who are suggesting and even judging LGBT Russians for various reasons.
    as it's said, you don't fear by telling others what to do, because if anything fails or goes wrong it's them who's going to suffer, not you. But if you take it as your own problem, you'll think totally different.

    According to the conditions our actions should change....
    like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
    From practical point, may be I should first focus on the most severe problem which Russia is facing currently.
    From ethical, I would say 'Civil Disobedience'
    In reality...I don't know what will happen.

    One thing I know for sure is, escaping or running away from Russia will not solve the problem to all Russians.


    It's about possibly sacrificing ur life for gay rights if u speak out. Would u be brave enough to do that? Would u want to shorten ur lifespan knowing u might be killed for standing up for ur rights?.....
  • Generaleclect...

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:40 AM GMT
    spgem said
    Generaleclectic saidI'd probably freeze to death first; I can hardly stay under an AC for too long.

    (Find a way out of the country)


    I wonder if there are a lot of gays fleeing or leaving their backward countries where there is anti-gay backlash going on or if they can even flee their country?.....


    I've heard of some people who successfully fled their country, but I imagine it wasn't easy.

    It's not all sunshine and rainbows in the West, but I consider myself really lucky in some respects.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    Generaleclectic said
    spgem said
    Generaleclectic saidI'd probably freeze to death first; I can hardly stay under an AC for too long.

    (Find a way out of the country)


    I wonder if there are a lot of gays fleeing or leaving their backward countries where there is anti-gay backlash going on or if they can even flee their country?.....


    I've heard of some people who successfully fled their country, but I imagine it wasn't easy.

    It's not all sunshine and rainbows in the West, but I consider myself really lucky in some respects.


    Compared to what's happening in these oppressed countries right now where LGBTs are getting recorded being tortured or beheaded or stabbed & chopped up to death, I think we're fairing a lot better yes.
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    Aug 13, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
    spgem said
    Harry7785 said

    It's about possibly sacrificing ur life for gay rights if u speak out. Would u be brave enough to do that? Would u want to shorten ur lifespan knowing u might be killed for standing up for ur rights?.....

    It completely depends on the person, personally I don't fear death, but the fear of torture? I don't know, I think I have it.
    I'm still inexperienced or naive to comment on your question.
    From the little knowledge I have, instead of coming out, I would involve myself into teaching morals to others first. In this way, in time, they'll come to a conclusion by themselves that hurting someone is wrong.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 5:54 AM GMT
    Harry7785 said
    spgem said
    Harry7785 said

    It's about possibly sacrificing ur life for gay rights if u speak out. Would u be brave enough to do that? Would u want to shorten ur lifespan knowing u might be killed for standing up for ur rights?.....

    It completely depends on the person, personally I don't fear death, but the fear of torture? I don't know, I think I have it.
    I'm still inexperienced or naive to comment on your question.
    From the little knowledge I have, instead of coming out, I would involve myself into teaching morals to others first. In this way, in time, they'll come to a conclusion by themselves that hurting someone is wrong.


    With what's happening in Russia with the Neo-Nazis & in Gambia with their president telling any gay found will be beheaded, I think trying to teach them what is moral is a lost cause. They're on a cleansing mission, ridding their countries of LGBTs.....
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 13, 2013 10:51 AM GMT
    i thank you for your question.

    i'd be terrified.
  • DenveRyk

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    Aug 13, 2013 12:14 PM GMT
    Timjea saidI ask the question to those that are posting their views if they have been or lived in Russia?
    I grew up in South Africa where Gay Life was banned and you were convicted in Court for it however in spite of that the Gay Community existed and survived in fact we may not of enjoyed the same rights but we still enjoyed life and relationships.
    Adding to that I have been to Russia on numerous occasions namely St. Petersburg and Moscow and visited Gay Clubs and Bars hence was not any different to my years that I lived under the Apartheid Regime.
    Currently I live in Queensland Australia and to be honest is not any different from the aforementioned countries. There are too few Gay Clubs and Bars and I am not legally allowed to marry.
    Hence a lot of noise is being made about Russia but pressure should be brought against many other countries of the world who do not allow equal rights.
    Show me a country that leads by example namely a Gay President. We have seen Male. Female and Black Presidents but NO Gay Presidents. Are the countries that are shouting truly Democratic and support equal rights I don't think so.
    Let us all unite and demand a Gay President.


    Iceland has a lesbian Prime Minister!!

    On the topic, I would def be rather afraid in the situation. While things may not be the greatest in the USA or elsewhere, the situation in Russia seems more than a bit overwhelming.
  • wesv

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    Aug 13, 2013 12:25 PM GMT
    Absolutely. Under Putin the country's going backwards.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:41 PM GMT
    My first order of business would be to attempt to leave the country.

    If that failed, I'd kill myself to avoid being painfully tortured.
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    Aug 13, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
    Ten years ago I would've loved to visit Russia. I had many straight Russian/Ukrainian friends in high school, and they all seemed extremely obsessed with everything gay, and they even went to the gay clubs because they had the best techno music. Even the whole t.A.T.u (fake) lesbian group seemed like Russia was a pretty open and accepting country to diverse sexualities. I'm not sure if it's Putin we have to thank, but I personally would be terrified to live in Russia nowadays. I hate to admit it, but I would probably stay in the closet. This would not only be for my own safety, but I would hate to see my parents suffer for the way I was born. I could imagine a lot of parents of gay Russian teens praying for their children to stay in the closet; honestly, I feel extremely fortunate to have lived in England, Canada, the United States, and Australia. The gays may not be considered "equal," but at least I feel somewhat safe talking about my sexuality.
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    Aug 13, 2013 1:09 PM GMT
    Gays are the new Jews in some places. Life sucks in general so someone needs to be hated, and punished, for it.
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    Aug 13, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
    Moving backward. The journalists and Western businessmen who have lived in Russia for 10 or more years all say the same thing, that Russian society is growing more intolerant and fearful.

    The underlying insecurity is probably caused by the fact that Russia is essentially a mafia state. When people feel powerless they tend to attack those they see as having even less power.
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    Aug 13, 2013 1:58 PM GMT
    spgem said
    Generaleclectic saidI'd probably freeze to death first; I can hardly stay under an AC for too long.

    (Find a way out of the country)


    I wonder if there are a lot of gays fleeing or leaving their backward countries where there is anti-gay backlash going on or if they can even flee their country?.....


    To answer your question.. I can say that I personally have 2 friends that are Russian, both gay. One has already moved to United States because of Russia's views and attitude. The other is in the process of moving. So yea, there are some Russians fleeing their country because of it's views
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    Aug 13, 2013 2:25 PM GMT
    I think that Russia is forcing bi, gay and curious guys out of their country, I am currently in cyprus and all i see in the gay clubs are hot Russian guys, its only a small island but its full of them.

    I personally would feel like hitler was back and it was all happening again.

    Not going to lie, some Russian men, are just wow! I don't go in the gay clubs but i might have to whilst I'm here to get chatting.

    My heart is with the men still in Russia, strong guys, they will get what they want in the end, The UN can't sit still for long on this subject with gay marriage being made legal in many countries now.

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  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
    The_Perfect_Ashlar said
    spgem said
    Generaleclectic saidI'd probably freeze to death first; I can hardly stay under an AC for too long.

    (Find a way out of the country)


    I wonder if there are a lot of gays fleeing or leaving their backward countries where there is anti-gay backlash going on or if they can even flee their country?.....


    To answer your question.. I can say that I personally have 2 friends that are Russian, both gay. One has already moved to United States because of Russia's views and attitude. The other is in the process of moving. So yea, there are some Russians fleeing their country because of it's views


    It's the safest thing to do so one can be free to be LGBT. I'm still disgusted by videos of gays being beheaded in Tunisia by Muslim fanatics, their neck serrated with a small dull knife. Or a whole gay family in Gambia being burned alive with dried up branches of leaves in a dug up trench & beaten with tree branches if they try to step out of the trench while crowds of onlookers, adults & kids, look on laughing.....Or Russian Neo-Nazis shoving cocking glue up a gay teenager's ass who's been beaten with a bat & his stripped body spray-painted blue with industrial paint who died from complications from his torture.....
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 3:14 PM GMT
    Nivek saidGays are the new Jews in some places. Life sucks in general so someone needs to be hated, and punished, for it.


    The backlash is a result of countries who are making LGBT marriage legal. The intolerant homophobic bullies in power in anti-gay countries are tightening their tenuous grip by doing the opposite & making being LGBT not legal.....
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
    wesv saidAbsolutely. Under Putin the country's going backwards.


    How do new Hitlers always manage to get into power?.....
  • TannerMasseur

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    Aug 13, 2013 9:14 PM GMT
    ASHDOD saidi thank you for your question.

    i'd be terrified.


    There's probably so many that are right now as I type this.....
  • Webster666

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    Aug 13, 2013 9:16 PM GMT
    If you can afford it, you need to get out.
    If you can't afford it, you need to hide, sadly.
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    Aug 13, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
    I doubt many are leaving. Its not like Russia just became homophobic this past couple months. These laws are a reflection of how Russians feel about homosexuality and the society gay Russians have grown up in their entire lives - most are very used to their hostile environment I would suspect.

    The US five years ago seemed nearly as archaic and backwards in some states to me. I'd have sold my testicles to get out but that was my perspective as a Canadian. Most gay Americans were ready to fight for their rights because it was their home and leaving wasn't something most people even consider.
  • mladri

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    Aug 13, 2013 9:37 PM GMT
    I would be terrified