Emotion over Logic

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    Nov 14, 2008 9:15 PM GMT
    So my therapist told me that I had to quit listening to my brain and listen to my emotions. I was floored by this because I always thought emotional people were irrational. I am still trying to figure out what she meant by it. I am sure she is talking about being in the gray area somewhere.

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    Nov 14, 2008 11:19 PM GMT
    I can't presume to speak for your therapist, but in this context, I think she's asking you to get in touch with your emotions. You might be rationalizing (a defense mechanism) instead of facing some inner emotional pain or anguish. Psychologists often consider emotions to be analogous to your car's dashboard. When the warning lights go off (i.e., emotions), they're not just pretty, shiny lights for you to look at. Emotions can be a window into your soul, but emotion for emotion's sake is probably what you are equating to irrationality.
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    Nov 14, 2008 11:43 PM GMT
    Can you provide some context? Some situations demand logic, some emotion.
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    Nov 14, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
    There's a lot of contextual info missing here. But my big question is... Why are you asking us versus asking your therapist what he/she meant by this?
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    Nov 14, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    She was saying that you should be one with the force!
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    Nov 15, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidShe was saying that you should be one with the force!


    As opposed to a force of one? icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 15, 2008 12:18 AM GMT
    albago74 said
    ActiveAndFit saidShe was saying that you should be one with the force!

    As opposed to a force of one? icon_wink.gif
    Like this one ..
  • DCEric

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    Nov 15, 2008 12:33 AM GMT
    It sounds to me that she was trying to tell you something I wish my partner could here. Even if you suppress the illogical, that doesn't mean that your brain doesn't register it.

    Here is the example you made me think of with my partner:
    Irrational fear of your company failing? Well, you can crush it to death, but you still will have the fear buried deep down. Better to listen to the fear, get a job with a company you truly FEEL is secure and thus you will be more relaxed, rather than make yourself miserable- and telling yourself that you are being illogical.
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    Nov 15, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    I think the problem is that some logical people are irrational. The point is that you have emotions, other people around you have emotions. Failure to consider these emotions in your logic and you will make illogical decisions.

    Logically you could be thinking "I shouldn't want to be in this job or relationship because of x, y, z. " but when she asks if you are happy or content there you say yes. Maybe the job makes less money than you think you should make due to your experience and training. Well logically you could argue that it's a bad job and think you need to move on. But if you enjoy the work and can live on the money - why not make that emotional response a key element in the logic of making the decision.

    Its easy to judge your life against other peoples on 'Im successful if I'm making x dollars a year", but its harder to buck that logical equation and accept an emotional indicator of success like "I'm successful if I like my work and live within my means." The first allows you to 'win' or 'lose' compared to whoever you compete with for success. But the second allows you to be a winner no matter what others are doing.

    Pony up some details and maybe we can be more specific.
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    Nov 15, 2008 1:23 AM GMT
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    Nov 15, 2008 1:51 AM GMT
    I couldn't find the graphic for this any where; so I'll try to describe it. Picture a Venn diagram of two overlapping circles. One circle is "rational mind". The other is "emotion mind". The space in the overlap is what we want to aim for. It is often called 'Wise Mind", the place where we apply both our head and our heart.
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    Nov 15, 2008 1:52 AM GMT
    OHhiker saidIts easy to judge your life against other peoples on 'Im successful if I'm making x dollars a year", but its harder to buck that logical equation and accept an emotional indicator of success like "I'm successful if I like my work and live within my means." The first allows you to 'win' or 'lose' compared to whoever you compete with for success. But the second allows you to be a winner no matter what others are doing.

    Pony up some details and maybe we can be more specific.
    OH, I know you are trying to be helpful, but the lad is supposed to stop thinking, and start feeling. You are making a thinking exercise out of this icon_lol.gif

    Try this .. "How do you feel today?"
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    Nov 15, 2008 1:59 AM GMT
    hapakun saidSo my therapist told me that I had to quit listening to my brain and listen to my emotions. I was floored by this because I always thought emotional people were irrational. I am still trying to figure out what she meant by it. I am sure she is talking about being in the gray area somewhere.

    Any Thoughts?




    I have some feelings about the topic... mostly pained.

    I've no idea what a fellow shrink said exactly, but what you took away is a questioning of your stance towards emotions. Emotion over logic? Well, there are thoughts and feelings, emotional processes and rational processes. I'd say, above all, trying to prioritize one way over the other, or attempting to denigrate one in service of the other is to deny the wisdom of the both.

    "Its a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart."
    O Brother, Where Art Thou?

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    Nov 15, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    "The trouble with most people is they think when they should feel, and feel when they should think." A quote from my 1st year Psychology textbook that I remember to this day.

    Emotions are critical for human beings survival. Without them not only would life be less interesting, but would likely be far shorter as well! They are very useful in giving you warning signs about some people, such as "stay away from this guy he is trouble". Alternatively they can give you the early signs that a person is trustworthy, even a potential mate.

    I have used my emotions to provide insight into my upbringing, which has been invaluable in understanding my past and why I did the things I did, or felt what I felt. Without them I would have wandered through the last 20 years or so lost and probably miserable.
  • Squarejaw

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    Nov 15, 2008 2:14 AM GMT
    This is a question to ask your therapist.

    "What do you mean?"

    "What prompted you to say that?"

    "Can you give me an example?"

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    Nov 15, 2008 2:17 AM GMT
    what is the sound of a breaking heart?
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    Nov 15, 2008 2:35 AM GMT
    Squarejaw saidThis is a question to ask your therapist.

    "What do you mean?"

    "What prompted you to say that?"

    "Can you give me an example?"



    What a logical response. How about...

    "I'm confused about what you said"

    "I'm frustrated over not fully understanding this."

    "I'd feel better and more supported if you gave me an example."
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    Nov 15, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    hapakun saidSo my therapist told me that I had to quit listening to my brain and listen to my emotions. I was floored by this because I always thought emotional people were irrational. I am still trying to figure out what she meant by it. I am sure she is talking about being in the gray area somewhere.

    Any Thoughts?


    Maybe she thinks your "logic" is getting in the way of your future and you need to experience both sides. A healthy outlook on life needs a good balance of both emotions and logic. Maybe she thinks you aren't balanced in this. I'm not sure of what you were discussing, but I know plenty of men who use "logic" as an excuse to not go forward in relationships, jobs, etc... - it's really just an excuse for fear of their own emotions or change.
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    Nov 15, 2008 4:05 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidwhat is the sound of a breaking heart?


    Silence.

    If you are still talking, it hasn't broken yet. If you've started crying, you've started the healing process.

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    Nov 15, 2008 4:09 AM GMT
    OHhiker said
    ActiveAndFit saidwhat is the sound of a breaking heart?

    Silence.
    If you are still talking, it hasn't broken yet. If you've started crying, you've started the healing process.
    Actually I swear it sounds like rice krispies with a little milk .. I have heard it hundreds of times! I am mollified whenever I hear it.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Nov 15, 2008 4:15 AM GMT
    People who act upon emotion often are irrational, as they aren't acting purely out of reason. So what? Irrational isn't always a bad thing. Think about why you're seeing a therapist in the first place. I'm betting that you're getting over a problem, trying to break a habit, or become more satisfied with your life as it is. Those don't strike me as things that will be better solved by becoming ever more rational.

    Rational people still feel emotions. They just don't necessarily act out of emotion. That's a distinction not everyone makes. Is it that your therapist is telling you that you don't need to ignore your emotions, even if they don't trump everything else?
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    Nov 15, 2008 9:08 AM GMT


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  • jrs1

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    Sep 03, 2009 8:46 PM GMT

    I'm an emotional person and can be rather tempestuous. I am learning to utilize my emotions with insight. For example, I have been crushing on another for over two months and did not feel as though the timing was ever right to approach him with my thoughts. I have always wanted to begin a possible friendship with him, seeing as he does not live anywhere near, but I just never felt like it was right. the other day, I was minding my own and he began a conversation with me. I absolutely flipped out of my head. I was immediately emotional, what with the psycho-somatic shaking, the teary eyes, and the intense feeling that the end was near.

    My intuition was telling me something that my mind could not comprehend, so, that very night I did quite a bit of thinking in order to resolve this issue. I find that I have to use logic in order to more fully understand and to even " homeostatically " balance out what I am feeling. I had a fight or flight reaction to speaking with said boy because I realized both the wonderful potential as well the painful disappoint schematics that were readily available. You simply cannot have one without the other. An imbalance of one can lead to a life of koyaanisqatsi (i.e., a life out of balance).

    My advice, in short, would be to be aware of your emotional state, but heed the logic that can lead to a multifaceted and - one would hope - an eventually wise perception of social phenomena.
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    Sep 03, 2009 8:59 PM GMT
    hapakun saidSo my therapist told me that I had to quit listening to my brain and listen to my emotions. I was floored by this because I always thought emotional people were irrational. I am still trying to figure out what she meant by it. I am sure she is talking about being in the gray area somewhere.

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    Wow, that sounds familiar. I was told my migraines were caused by reacting to my issues logically instead of emotionally. The therapist asked me to describe a nightmare I had, then he asked how I felt about it. I would say it "concerned" me, or I was "confused" or it was "interesting" that I acted this way or that in the dream. He repeated the question 5 times and each time I used these rational thoughts. Finally he said, after getting pretty frustrated with me, "how do you feel, your emotions, were you angry or afraid?". I finally admitted it made me afraid and I explained myself in more detail. Soon after my migraine went away. Unfortunately to deal with everything logically is not human.
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    Sep 03, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    hapakun saidSo my therapist told me that I had to quit listening to my brain and listen to my emotions. I was floored by this because I always thought emotional people were irrational. I am still trying to figure out what she meant by it. I am sure she is talking about being in the gray area somewhere.

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    I couldnt possibly move thru life unless I dealt in logic, plain and simple. I have emotion but I TRY not to let it lead my decision making. Women are constantly critisized for making their decisions based on logic. I wont do that. If it works for you then go for it. But I deal in logic with very little influence on emotion.