Brain scans reveal which 'vegetative' patients are alert, trapped in bodies

  • metta

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    Aug 14, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    Brain scans reveal which 'vegetative' patients are alert, trapped in bodies

    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/brain-scans-reveal-which-vegetative-patients-are-alert-trapped-bodies-6C10902050
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    Aug 14, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
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    Aug 14, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
    This is awesome! Hopefully the tests can eventually be used to have more communication with those in vegetative states.

    I know if it were me, and they were able to communicate via machine, I'd do my best to tell them to legalize euthanasia so I can finally be at peace.
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    Aug 14, 2013 11:59 PM GMT
    That is so amazing! I knew functional magnetic resonance would start to play a huge role, and this is just the beginning! Imagine if magnetic resonance could be used like a voice to guide someone back to full consciousness... like being lead out of a very long dream...
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    Aug 15, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
    Too bad they didn't have this technology back in 2005. It could have resolved the Terri Schiavo fiasco once and for all.
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    Aug 15, 2013 4:38 AM GMT
    t0mb0mb saidThat is so amazing! I knew functional magnetic resonance would start to play a huge role, and this is just the beginning! Imagine if magnetic resonance could be used like a voice to guide someone back to full consciousness... like being lead out of a very long dream...


    Full consciousness doesn't necessarily mean the person would have any control over their body. Also defenses might have kicked in putting the person into a persistant dream or the person might be conscious but with psychosis such that attempts to contact them might even cause more harm.

    So there could be some hope but also this might bring some harm (torment, mental anguish, false hope, etc.) .

    Certainly, as Paul notes and as is mentioned in the article, assisted suicide has to be considered because just imagine the torment of someone who would want that, to finally be able to communicate, but to be denied being asked that question.

    libertpaulian saidToo bad they didn't have this technology back in 2005. It could have resolved the Terri Schiavo fiasco once and for all.


    The autopsy didn't resolve that?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case

    The official autopsy report[27] was released on June 15, 2005. In addition to studying Terri Schiavo's remains, Thogmartin scoured court, medical and other records and interviewed her family members, doctors and other relevant parties. Examination of Schiavo’s nervous system by neuropathologist Stephen J. Nelson, M.D., revealed extensive injury. The brain itself weighed only 615 g (21.7 oz), only half the weight expected for a female of her age, height, and weight, an effect caused by the loss of a massive number of neurons. Microscopic examination revealed extensive damage to nearly all brain regions, including the cerebral cortex, the thalami, the basal ganglia, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the midbrain. The neuropathologic changes in her brain were precisely of the type seen in patients who enter a PVS following cardiac arrest. Throughout the cerebral cortex, the large pyramidal neurons that comprise some 70% of cortical cells – critical to the functioning of the cortex – were completely lost. The pattern of damage to the cortex, with injury tending to worsen from the front of the cortex to the back, was also typical. There was marked damage to important relay circuits deep in the brain (the thalami) – another common pathologic finding in cases of PVS. The damage was, in the words of Thogmartin, "irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons."[64]

    ...The Schindlers continued operation of the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, with a new goal of helping individuals in situations similar to Terri's. In April 2010, Michael Schiavo charged that the Schindlers were improperly using Terri's name, as he held the rights to it, and that the family was using the foundation in order to make money. A Florida television station looked at the foundation's tax records and found that for 2008, it paid 64% of the $91,568 it raised in salaries to Terri's father, Robert Schindler, Sr., her sister, Suzanne Vitadamo, and her brother, Robert Schindler, Jr
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    Aug 15, 2013 4:40 AM GMT
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    paulflexes saidThis is awesome! Hopefully the tests can eventually be used to have more communication with those in vegetative states.

    I know if it were me, and they were able to communicate via machine, I'd do my best to tell them to legalize euthanasia so I can finally be at peace.
    This. I've told pretty much everyone I know to let me die if I can't be productive. Well. I'm already unproductive, but I don't want to just be sitting there taking up resources.


    Telling people is practically worthless without putting it in writing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_directives
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    Aug 15, 2013 4:45 AM GMT
    Why are we just figuring this out now?

    No one has ever woken up from a long term coma and remembered that they were up and thinking the Whole time?

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  • metta

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    Aug 15, 2013 5:16 AM GMT
    Just letting people know what you want is not enough. You guys need a Living Will/Advance Directive. Each State is a little different on what is required.



    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/living-wills/HA00014


    http://www.doyourownwill.com/free-living-wills.html
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:18 AM GMT
    And, with advances in biomedical technology, perhaps one day we will have the means to free them from their organic prisons and allow them to live free within some sort of invented prosthetic container for the consciousness. One which can be maintained and renewed for eternity.

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    This has all happened before, and it will all happen again.