Dan Savage vs Family Research Council

  • swimbikerun

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    Nov 15, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    An awesome verbal fisticuffs!



    What blows my mind is that some posters on this board might side with the FRC!
    Lead, follow, or get out of the way. See you at the protest tomorrow.
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    Nov 15, 2008 4:28 AM GMT
    Come out, come out wherever you are...I'm talking to you...Anderson Cooper.
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    Nov 15, 2008 4:42 AM GMT
    I am not a violent man. But the FRC sometimes stirs my imagination.
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    Nov 15, 2008 4:49 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI am not a violent man. But the FRC sometimes stirs my imagination.


    Lets talk. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 15, 2008 4:53 AM GMT
    CitizenSol said
    MunchingZombie saidI am not a violent man. But the FRC sometimes stirs my imagination.


    Lets talk. icon_twisted.gif


    Count me in..this week has left me with a lot of suppressed anger..icon_twisted.gif
  • swimbikerun

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    Nov 15, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI am not a violent man. But the FRC sometimes stirs my imagination.

    I'd wager you've quite the imagination MZ.
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    Nov 15, 2008 8:19 AM GMT
    I want to dropkick him through the internet.
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    Nov 15, 2008 8:35 AM GMT
    OMG that just cheered me up sooo much.... after a days worth of blogging on my local newspaper's website... arguing with social conservatives. Now i feel like signing and dancing... and giving dan a big kiss!
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 15, 2008 9:14 AM GMT
    why is it always about the kids? who gives a shit about the fuckin' kids. if you are for gay marriage, go kick a pregnant woman in the stomach (but not my sister in law, cuz i wanna be an uncle come Spring time)
  • GQjock

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    Nov 15, 2008 11:20 AM GMT
    I loved that Ms Cooper was the Moderator right there in the middle icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 15, 2008 11:24 AM GMT
    What a "Savage" beast that Dan Savage is!
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    Nov 15, 2008 11:54 AM GMT
    Thank you for posting this.
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    Nov 15, 2008 12:48 PM GMT
    Dan Savage is awesome, especially his Savage Love podcast.
  • tailgaytor

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    Nov 15, 2008 3:06 PM GMT
    Unfortunately Mr. Savage played it wrong. He interrupted too often. He had a sympathic moderator who was going to put Tony Perkins on the spot especially on the final point concerning generational voting differences. Perkins IS on the wrong side of history.

    I wanted to hear Perkins hang himself by saying something stupid, but he really didn't have a chance.

    Our last sound byte is of Perkins mentioning that he can't get a word in. Our last visual byte is of a smiling Perkins and an almost frowning Savage.
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 15, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    tailgaytor saidUnfortunately Mr. Savage played it wrong. He interrupted too often. He had a sympathic moderator who was going to put Tony Perkins on the spot especially on the final point concerning generational voting differences. Perkins IS on the wrong side of history.

    I wanted to hear Perkins hang himself by saying something stupid, but he really didn't have a chance.

    Our last sound byte is of Perkins mentioning that he can't get a word in. Our last visual byte is of a smiling Perkins and an almost frowning Savage.


    agreed. there is no need to interrupt. the absurdity of Mr. Family Guy's arguments literally speak for them self
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    Nov 16, 2008 1:06 PM GMT
    Good job Dan. perkins has nothing intelligible to say so interruptions were appropriate to get the point across. what's the value of hearing the same argument from the frc over and over again?

    Perkins is about rhetoric. from the frc website:
    "Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects. While the origins of same-sex attractions may be complex, there is no convincing evidence that a homosexual identity is ever something genetic or inborn. We oppose the vigorous efforts of homosexual activists to demand that homosexuality be accepted as equivalent to heterosexuality in law, in the media, and in schools. Attempts to join two men or two women in "marriage" constitute a radical redefinition and falsification of the institution, and FRC supports state and federal constitutional amendments to prevent such redefinition by courts or legislatures. Sympathy must be extended to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions, and every effort should be made to assist such persons to overcome those attractions, as many already have".

    frc calls for sympathy. if this doesn't incence a person. not much would then. protests are important.

    Dan said it best.
    "straight people redefined marriage".

    who the fuck are they to speak for me?



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    Nov 16, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
    Looking at this objectively, debating this issue is what Tony Perkins does for a living. As wrong as he is, his delivery is very polished and his talking points are concise and well rehearsed, although entirely specious.

    Dan Savage got in several good points, but he was interrupted by Perkins as much as Perkins was interrupted by Savage. For Perkins to whine about getting interrupted is just too rich. He was doing it as much or more than Savage.

    The best points Savage made was his line about the FRC trying to take away his right to marry, while Perkins was complaining about being interrupted, so who's really suffering.

    The other great point he made was the so called "studies" Perkins tried to mention concluding children are better off with a mom and a dad, saying they are studies funded by bigots, written by bigots, for an audience of bigots. And he's exactly correct. I loved his analogy about studies funded by the tobacco industry.
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    Nov 16, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
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    tailgaytor saidUnfortunately Mr. Savage played it wrong. He interrupted too often. He had a sympathic moderator who was going to put Tony Perkins on the spot especially on the final point concerning generational voting differences. Perkins IS on the wrong side of history.

    I wanted to hear Perkins hang himself by saying something stupid, but he really didn't have a chance.

    Our last sound byte is of Perkins mentioning that he can't get a word in. Our last visual byte is of a smiling Perkins and an almost frowning Savage.


    agreed. there is no need to interrupt. the absurdity of Mr. Family Guy's arguments literally speak for them self


    I respectfully disagree. Perkins does not have a reasoned argument at all. He is spewing hate behind his preacher smile and his arguments have holes in them big enough to sodomize.

    But the problem is not that Americans have not heard these fallacy ridden arguments, it is that they have heard them. Hate, with complete disregard for research or any observable reality, has become apart of the acceptable discourse. When, all along, if someone argues like Perkins we should have called bullshit and shouted them down. Giving these monsters a place at the table legitimizes them.

    Americans aren't looking for a reasoned debate on television, they are looking for a talking head authority to give validity to their own homophobia.
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    Nov 16, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    Wow, that was awesome. I hope Tony Perkins and his lot die of Aids.

    Seriously, what a douche-bag bigot
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    Nov 16, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    If we really want to protest for the rights of gay marriage within the civil environment (not religious since we aren't asking for religious marriage) let's protest at every marriage license office in the U.S while also protesting against those who take away minority rights

    Take away the money the government gets from marriage licenses and maybe we'll get government to step up and take a stand! it may be against us, but could you imagine how much money may be denied to states by doing so - especially with the economic reality in many states.

    just a thought
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    Nov 16, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidWow, that was awesome. I hope Tony Perkins and his lot die of Aids.


    Wow, that is sad. Wishin g the death of those who disagree with is ... i don't know I'm just so shocked someone of the gay community would say that. Especially of AIDS which knows no human bounds. HIV is indiscrimante.

    Statements like that, my firend, HURT OUR MOVEMENT, and discredit it... not help it. Don't believe me? Go to Fox News... you'll leran about all of the violent hateful gay riotors insetead of the hundred of thousands of peaceful protesters.
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    Nov 16, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
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    TheIStrat saidWow, that was awesome. I hope Tony Perkins and his lot die of Aids.


    Wow, that is sad. Wishin g the death of those who disagree with is ... i don't know I'm just so shocked someone of the gay community would say that. Especially of AIDS which knows no human bounds. HIV is indiscrimante.

    Statements like that, my firend, HURT OUR MOVEMENT, and discredit it... not help it. Don't believe me? Go to Fox News... you'll leran about all of the violent hateful gay riotors insetead of the hundred of thousands of peaceful protesters.


    This isn't about wishing ill on someone who just "disagrees" with us.

    It's about wishing ill on someone whose campaigns and rhetoric of hate have caused immeasurable pain on so many other people. All the teenagers who grow up listening to his comments and those like them that grow up hating themselves and ending up committing suicide. All the families who have had their rights taken away and made to be second -class citizens. Not to mention so many people who listen to all his shenanigans and take it upon themselves to harass and physically hurt gay people. So no, I don't wish him well.

    Shouldn't have said the Aids thing, that was out of anger, and wrong, but I don't wish anyone who hurts other people well.
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    Nov 16, 2008 4:57 PM GMT
    I'm glad you cleared that up. I dislike Tony Perkins very much... but I don't hate him either or wish him dead. I don't wish him luck with his political endeavors, but i respect him because he is a human being... and all human deserve basic respect. Hate is used by the KKK, Nazis, and other bigoted groups. Hate is a very strong word.
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 16, 2008 5:34 PM GMT
    id let tony perkins blow me.




    kidding, people
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    Nov 16, 2008 5:38 PM GMT
    Hunter9 saidid let tony perkins blow me.




    kidding, people



    LOL. Nasty