Your iPhone uses more energy than a refrigerator

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    Aug 15, 2013 4:31 PM GMT
    The average iPhone uses more energy than a midsize refrigerator, says a new paper by Mark Mills, CEO of Digital Power Group, a tech investment advisory. A midsize refrigerator that qualifies for the Environmental Protection Agency's Energy Star rating uses about 322 kW-h a year, while your iPhone uses about 361 kW-h if you stack up wireless connections, data usage, and battery charging.

    http://theweek.com/article/index/248273/your-iphone-uses-more-energy-than-a-refrigerator
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:27 PM GMT
    Get ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    I'm pretty sure Androids reduce the world's total greenhouse emissions - they're just that awesome.
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
    I wonder how dumbphones compare.
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
    And this will in no way affect my iPhone usage at all.
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
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    *chill just saying!

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    Aug 15, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    I call bullshit! So what about those larger android phones?
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    Aug 15, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    ThatSwimmerGuy saidI call bullshit! So what about those larger android phones?


    They remove even more greenhouse gasses than the smaller ones.
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    Aug 15, 2013 7:25 PM GMT
    GoNYMets2012 saidThe average iPhone uses more energy than a midsize refrigerator, says a new paper by Mark Mills, CEO of Digital Power Group, a tech investment advisory. A midsize refrigerator that qualifies for the Environmental Protection Agency's Energy Star rating uses about 322 kW-h a year, while your iPhone uses about 361 kW-h if you stack up wireless connections, data usage, and battery charging.

    http://theweek.com/article/index/248273/your-iphone-uses-more-energy-than-a-refrigerator


    Very doubtful. An iPhone uses 7watts and a typical frig 600watts. So like everything else it depends on usage. Phone time vs how often you you open the frig and the ambient temperature.
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    Aug 15, 2013 8:02 PM GMT
    GoNYMets2012 said
    Get ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    This doesn't make sense. Why do you care about the brand of smartphone?
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    Aug 15, 2013 8:19 PM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI wonder if other, if not all, Smartphones use more energy than your typical household appliance.

    I'm not surprised with Apple products, however. Numerous examples can be provided that demonstrates this. They have no concern for the environment. All they care about is keeping their billions in the bank.


    Get ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    This doesn't make sense. Why do you care about the brand of smartphone?


    Did you read the article? Even just the first paragraph?
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    Aug 15, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    Your iPhone uses more energy than a refrigerator

    Totally bogus. If this were true, your iPhone battery could run your refrigerator for a day. Anyone wanna bet on that being the case? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 15, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Alpha13 said
    GoNYMets2012 saidThe average iPhone uses more energy than a midsize refrigerator, says a new paper by Mark Mills, CEO of Digital Power Group, a tech investment advisory. A midsize refrigerator that qualifies for the Environmental Protection Agency's Energy Star rating uses about 322 kW-h a year, while your iPhone uses about 361 kW-h if you stack up wireless connections, data usage, and battery charging.

    http://theweek.com/article/index/248273/your-iphone-uses-more-energy-than-a-refrigerator


    Very doubtful. An iPhone uses 7watts and a typical frig 600watts. So like everything else it depends usage. Phone time vs how often you you open the frig and the ambient temperature.


    Sigh...did you read the article?

    The energy usage is not only from the device itself but the energy required to transfer the data is where it adds up. How do you think that data is getting to your phone in the first place? Server farms the size of seven football fields generating power for our Smartphones is where it's coming from.



    Well, if you want to count beyond the wall outlet energy then a refrigerator is hooked to an entire power grid as well and then a transportation grid that delivers fuel to the power plants etc etc.
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    Aug 15, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    GoNYMets2012 said

    Did you read the article? Even just the first paragraph?


    I will admit I commented before reading the article. And then I read the article and created a new comment and deleted my old one. The third post on this thread was my attempt at providing a new, edited contribution.

    By the time I finished with making a second, new post, GoNYMets already quoted my original contribution before I had sufficient time to delete it.

    I e-mailed him asking him to do the same but it appears he hasn't read it yet.

    Pardon my "initial" ignorance. But I do stand by my original comment. It just wasn't appropriate for this actual thread.


    Sorry - there's no email in my inbox from you, but I'll remove it as you wished.
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    Aug 15, 2013 9:52 PM GMT
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    GoNYMets2012 saidGet ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    This doesn't make sense. Why do you care about the brand of smartphone?


    Did you read the article? Even just the first paragraph?

    I went back and reread the first paragraph. Nothing. I was ready to reread the entire article when I noticed the subtitle: "And smartphone energy consumption is only going to increase."
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    Aug 16, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
    If you really want to go down that rabbit hole...

    OMG DON'T USE THE INTERNET! IT USES SO MUCH ENERGY LOLZ.

    On that same note, OMG DON'T WATCH TV OR LISTEN TO THE RADIO!

    Seriously. I get the point of the article, but if anyone is genuinely surprised by how much energy data infrastructure uses up you're not really thinking these things through. Of course they use up tons of energy.
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    Aug 16, 2013 1:03 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Alpha13 said
    GoNYMets2012 saidThe average iPhone uses more energy than a midsize refrigerator, says a new paper by Mark Mills, CEO of Digital Power Group, a tech investment advisory. A midsize refrigerator that qualifies for the Environmental Protection Agency's Energy Star rating uses about 322 kW-h a year, while your iPhone uses about 361 kW-h if you stack up wireless connections, data usage, and battery charging.

    http://theweek.com/article/index/248273/your-iphone-uses-more-energy-than-a-refrigerator


    Very doubtful. An iPhone uses 7watts and a typical frig 600watts. So like everything else it depends usage. Phone time vs how often you you open the frig and the ambient temperature.


    Sigh...did you read the article?

    The energy usage is not only from the device itself but the energy required to transfer the data is where it adds up. How do you think that data is getting to your phone in the first place? Server farms the size of seven football fields generating power for our Smartphones is where it's coming from.


    smart fridges and smart appliances in general will also suffer from the same problem. So it really depends on how outdated your fridge is.
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    Aug 16, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidYour iPhone uses more energy than a refrigerator

    Totally bogus. If this were true, your iPhone battery could run your refrigerator for a day. Anyone wanna bet on that being the case? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Please read the other comments in this topic - they are very educational.
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    Aug 16, 2013 2:32 AM GMT
    GoNYMets2012 saidGet ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    Still wondering why you said this. icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 16, 2013 4:31 AM GMT
    Philibuster said
    GoNYMets2012 saidGet ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    Still wondering why you said this. icon_confused.gif

    Because "conservatives/enemies of the environment" don't use IPhones but Messenger pigeons.
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    Aug 16, 2013 2:55 PM GMT
    The_Guruburu said
    Philibuster said
    GoNYMets2012 saidGet ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    Still wondering why you said this. icon_confused.gif

    Because "conservatives/enemies of the environment" don't use IPhones but Messenger pigeons.
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    No. It's just an oft-used retort one hears from the left. Kind of like when someone points out something that President Obama did that wasn't too smart and the left then says, "Well Bush did it too!"



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    Aug 16, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    GoNYMets2012 said
    The_Guruburu said
    Philibuster said
    GoNYMets2012 saidGet ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    Still wondering why you said this. icon_confused.gif

    Because "conservatives/enemies of the environment" don't use IPhones but Messenger pigeons.
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    No. It's just an oft-used retort one hears from the left. Kind of like when someone points out something that President Obama did that wasn't too smart and the left then says, "Well Bush did it too!"




    I'm assuming you associate the left with iPhones, otherwise your comment seems really random.
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    Aug 16, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    The_Guruburu said
    GoNYMets2012 said
    The_Guruburu said
    Philibuster said
    GoNYMets2012 saidGet ready for all the "well, all the other smart phones are like that too" comments from the "liberals / friends of the environment on here" who with every text or session on Grindr continue to add unnecessary greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

    Still wondering why you said this. icon_confused.gif

    Because "conservatives/enemies of the environment" don't use IPhones but Messenger pigeons.
    icon_lol.gif


    No. It's just an oft-used retort one hears from the left. Kind of like when someone points out something that President Obama did that wasn't too smart and the left then says, "Well Bush did it too!"




    I'm assuming you associate the left with iPhones, otherwise your comment seems really random.


    Yes, and more broadly, Apple. Apple's marketing (brilliant I might add) has positioned Apple as the company whose products are used by "thinking" and "progressive" people - people who "care about the environment" and "social" issues, while Windows/IBM products are used by "business" people. And business people are broadly labeled as "greedy" and "wanting to harm the environment" and "not caring for the poor" and "exploiting labor." (Curiously, Apple uses slave labor to manufacture their products in China - see Foxconn).

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    Aug 24, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    I'm not certain why companies choose to build server farms in hot places instead of building them in, say, Yellowknife. 8 months a year just open the duct gates to the roof for free air conditioning.

    As far as I know there's only one of these and it's in Norway (I think?).
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    Aug 24, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidI'm not certain why companies choose to build server farms in hot places instead of building them in, say, Yellowknife. 8 months a year just open the duct gates to the roof for free air conditioning.

    As far as I know there's only one of these and it's in Norway (I think?).
    Not practical. Server farms are built for faster content delivery by the regions they serve the most. Besides, the US is the center of the universe in terms of the internet. All major internet backbones are in the US, and connections branch out to other parts of the world from here.