Freedom To Hang Without Harrassment

  • gpw678

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    Sep 13, 2007 3:18 AM GMT
    I'm learning that we may still be in the Victorian Age when it comes to regulations about the way males may appear naked in places like health clubs, beaches and campgrounds where nudity is permitted. Within my circle of friends and experiences, I found out there are real scenarios that aren't yet supported by management at some of these establishments. For example, it seems that some men's genitalia appear differently naturally depending on whether the body is cold and/or the mind is anxious or preoccupied with pressing thoughts as opposed to the body being warm and relaxed/the mind is not preoccupied with pressing thoughts. Some guys happen to have hair-trigger apparati that spring to attention in seconds or minutes from a warm shower, steam or whirlpool bath, without touching himself. Some guys may not be in a relationship and may be busy day and night with work and classes, watching TV, walking the dog, etc., and not have time to masturbate even once per week. Then one day when he finally gets a few minutes to go to a gym locker and get naked, the apparatus spring up instantly just from the act of being able to unwind by removing his clothing for a few minutes. Or he just awoke from a nap. Or the guy showering across the room is just too hot to control oneself. So - given scenarios like these, in a gym or school locker room or at a campground where nudity is permitted, is there ever a time when it is appropriate for a fellow patron to make a remark about another patron's hanging position either confrontationally to that person or to management? I have discovered that some establishments do think so. Now the question is, does that establishment have the right to remove a person from this facility on that basis? Does a male have any legal ground to stand on in his defense? Doesn't genitalia fall under the category of a body part, like a fat ass, excessively hairy back, tattoos or long hair? And if the shape of the genitalia is their concern, with something so incremental as an erection, who decides when that actually occurs? I am beginning to research these questions with the help of reps from the Human Rights Act. It could be that if these establishments are in business to the general public, in the same way Denny's Restaurants got in trouble for refusing to serve black patrons, they could be subject to regulations that protect one's gender - in this case, being male. Or if popping wood under these scenarios is statistically in the minority, then it could be blamed on a medical condition, or it could be blamed on just being youthful. I have consulted with biology books that confirm that erections can happen because of this reason or because of that reason, or even if the reason is "just because" (no reason). I believe some medical conditions are protected under the Human Rights Act.

    The establishment can simply say, if it happens, wear a towel. And some places do have signs requiring wearing of suits or towels in certain areas of their locker rooms including steam rooms, whirlpools, wall-mounted air blowers and TV lounges. Ok, but what if a guy wants to shower, or change clothes? The towel has to come off and he might be seen. (Gasp). I maintain that males need to be protected against management that support patrons' claims of being offended. The patrons have a right to be offended and a right to complain - but I feel the management needs to tell them to mind their own business and look the other way, until it comes down to a hygienic issue, like urinating, spitting or ejaculating on the locker room floor. I have been grossed out by guys who blow their snot into the sinks, but haven't felt like complaining to management about it. Does any of this make sense? Does anybody agree with me?

    Hanging Up, Out or Down Shouldn't Matter
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    Sep 13, 2007 4:39 AM GMT
    LOL

    GP, is this why your pics are all private?? LOL (Just kidding -- couldn't resist.)

    I agree with you -- popping wood is just part of being a man, as much as nipple erection is a part of being a woman. I doubt that women "tell the teacher" on each other whenever one of them gets a sex flush or pops "nipple wood".

    OMG - let the poor guy with the woodie alone, or offer to help him out with it. :D

    (So do you wear a towel in your private pics?? LOL Sorry, man, you've just set yourself up too well. First time I've ever been able to honestly pick on someone - I'm always the one to get picked on.)
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    Sep 13, 2007 2:13 PM GMT
    I was under the impression that these areas like lockerrooms were not so much "public" places. IMHO, if someone is offended from seeing it, then maybe I should be offended that they were looking. My "motto" is "if you don't want to see, don't look." I even leave the blinds at home up or open at all hours, whether I'm dressed or not. If the neighbors don't want to see they can close their curtains.
    As long as no overtly sexual come-on's are made, what's the big deal? Next they will have to take P.E. out of highschools.
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    Sep 13, 2007 3:27 PM GMT
    I'm curious to know if this is in relation to an actual event, and if so, what's the story?
  • zakariahzol

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    Sep 13, 2007 4:08 PM GMT
    When I first go to student club house in college back during my days in United States, I was so shock (but delighted) to see men actually taking shower in the nude infront of other men. In my country this is a complete no, no. We usually have a small room , where you have privacy and wait your turn when other people is using it. I once saw my Accouting Professor taking shower in the nude and really I was embarassed. I guess in good old United States this things is really no big deal. They assume that for two men being naked together will not led to any things sexual or anything. They assume all men are straight .

    By the way, during my army days, it really it common to take a swim with fellow guy in the platoon in a river or waterfall. Even then we will be in our underwear not naked. There is one unforgetable sargent , he always have a huge hard on each morning. You can actually see the shape of his penis pressing against his short. God , it be 12 years , I still can get it out of my head.
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    Sep 13, 2007 11:36 PM GMT
    so what does the management of such places do, sit and watch on whose penis has gotten how big and even if they do such a thing how can they decide how much bigger is permissible! lol

    I think its very silly to complain about such a thing to the management and i think its even more silly for the management to pass such rules...

    if you have common nude baths these things are expected. if you dont like it you keep your eyes down, quickly do your stuff and leave, if you are still bothered you can always go home to your private bath, as simple as that.



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    Sep 14, 2007 1:11 PM GMT
    I've never heard of such a rule, nor it being an issue. From the way you write, it sounds as if you have been reprimanded for having an erection... please, tell us the whole story.
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    Sep 14, 2007 1:38 PM GMT
    LOL -

    My motto is if your easily offended, or a prude, the go somewhere else.

    Sporting wood is a natural body function over which a person as little or no control.

    Unless somebody is trying to cruise you what the hell are they doing paying so much attention to your privates anyway?

    That has got to be the most convoluted and round about post I have read in years... I can only imagine - and laugh at - the actual events that must have inspired it.

    R
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    Sep 14, 2007 2:01 PM GMT
    Have to agree with IT Jock... but i guess its the way the "world" is progressing these days that "you" complain and expect redress for any and everything !!! But there is more to this story...do tell!!!
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    Sep 14, 2007 2:14 PM GMT
    wow. I had no idea it was such an issue. No one seems to care at the Golds I go to in Cali or the school gym here in Pittsburgh. I think sprouting a boner is more embarrassing for the guy with the boner than the guy who happens to see it. Is this some random project the HRC put you on as an intern or is this a serious project? If it is serious it seems like HRC has a great deal of time on their hands.
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    Sep 14, 2007 2:24 PM GMT
    I had my hands on some nice wood in the steamroom yesterday. He was a 5'3 Colombian bodybuilder with a scorpion tattooed on his bicep.
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    Sep 14, 2007 2:30 PM GMT
    And at the other extreme...

    That was WAY WTMI...

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    Sep 14, 2007 2:43 PM GMT
    Really, man. We didn't need to know how tall he is. Sheesh. :D
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    Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM GMT
    Well Chaser, I certainly don't expect to read any more posts from you saying you're not getting anything out of going to the gym! HAHA :D
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    Nov 07, 2007 10:56 PM GMT
    I think management can do that without incurring any legal problems. In some cases it would be bad for business though. If that happens, just don't frequent the place and bad mouth the establishment as much as you can. Her's a hint, say what you want about the place. Word of mouth has this cascade effect.
  • gpw678

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    Feb 13, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    And the harassment continues. I have 2 more personal harassment incidents I can think of since this original post. They occurred at the same health club chain in 2 different states. The categories of concern that seem to be at issue, I'll cite here:

    icon_confused.gif Where you can go while being naked. Some clubs have steam rooms, jacuzzis, weight equipment, pool tables, wall mounted air-blowers and TV lounges in their locker rooms.

    icon_confused.gif How much time one spends in one or more areas while being naked

    icon_confused.gif How you are hanging while you are exposed

    icon_confused.gif And the manner in which you wash your genitals in terms of how long, how fast, and/or what shape your hand is in when you are showering

    I was called into a manager's office as I was leaving and he said more than one patron said I made them feel "uncomfortable". He didn't elaborate, making me feel the need to speculate as to what I did that made someone feel uncomfortable. I asked him if there were any restrictions on where you could be nude while in the locker room and he said no. I remembered that in the club you could choose to use an open shower or a private one with a curtain and I chose the open shower, because I didn't feel the need for privacy. I remember there was an older gentleman using the shower room also. I told the manager that if someone complained about the way I was hanging, that he needed to tell them that they were out of line and that management had to choose whether to support harassment of this nature or renounce it. He indicated that it did have something to do with that and he only invited me to speak to the GM. When I did get around to calling the GM, he stated that they have no written policies about such incidents, but that when a patron says they feel uncomfortable, they will confront the patron that makes them feel that way. He added that the situation might ultimately go to a committee if pressed.

    In the second situation, I was accused of "exposing myself" in the locker room. In this smaller locker room all the showers are private with curtains, and the only reason to walk around there would be to use the urinal/stall, sink or swim suit dryer. This is a newer facility and I had been using it regularly for the last few years without incident, even though my situation is the same: when I come in from the cold my junk is small, and when I warm up from the sauna, whirlpool or shower, it springs out like a slinky and tends to stick out that way for awhile, then it goes away. I also belong to another health chain and while there have been a few minor incidents - all about the basic right to be nude in the locker room - which they have usually sided with me - in being a member there for more than 25 years, by and large they don't seem to be concerned about how guys hang in their club locker rooms. I haven't had any luck finding an attorney that will take on such a case to date and although I have contacted a Human Rights Commission on harassment, they say this type of harassment is not covered by their organization, so they left me hanging, so to speak. I have now appealed to the investigative reporters at TV stations to help, because I'm outraged, but I'm sure they won't want to touch it either. Stay tuned.

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    Feb 19, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
    so, let me get this straight.

    you're walking around the locker room at your gym, naked, hard and spending a lot of time washing your hard cock in the shower.

    sounds to me like you're cruising and jerking off in the locker room and other people are grossed out by it...and I can't blame them.

    jack off at home, or at least in a bathroom stall....or were you hoping we'd all be outraged in your defense?
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:02 PM GMT
    gpw678 saidHanging Up, Out or Down Shouldn't Matter

    I was in the steam room at my gym last week, and a guy clearly had a chub; thick, long, hard and sticking upright, as he went out to take a cool-down shower and return. So like who cared?

    I suppose if you live in an up-tight conservative community, this would be a scandal, reportable to the gym management. I doubt half the 8 or so guys in my steam room even noticed, and nobody said a thing or registered a complaint.

    So what is your point? That some establishments have to respond to creepy conservatives, who think every hard-on is pointed at them? Community standards are what US courts have relied upon in their past rulings, and if you live in a tight-ass Republican community, then either get used to it, or relocate elsewhere.
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
    I got kicked out of Hobby Lobby once because it was cold in there and my nipples started protruding a little bit. I'm such a dirty dirty person.

    (this didn't really happen)
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:13 PM GMT
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    That some establishments have to respond to creepy conservatives, who think every hard-on is pointed at them?


    From reading the posts it sounds an awful lot like someone creepy was pointing a hard on at people and then looking for support from a gay forum. This sort of behaviour doesn't just make straight people feel uncomfortable. There's a time and a place for wanking in the shower, the stream room and under the blow-drier and if you ask me, none of them is the gym.
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:14 PM GMT
    This gym is a company that has every right to set standards for those who chose to get a membership. You don't like those standards? DON'T JOIN. Go somewhere else, vote with your dollar or go start your own gym (or in this case a bath house).

    What this sounds like to me is the typical American feeling of entitlement to do whatever they want or act in anyway without regard to anyone else.

    I'm sorry, but unless you are 15 years old, its really not that difficult to keep from getting a hard on in public unless you want to.

    HRC and lawyers want nothing to do with this? Good!!! There are real problems out there and the "right" of some creepy troll to get hard and play with himself in public is not one of them.
  • SeaMichael

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    Feb 19, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidso, let me get this straight.

    you're walking around the locker room at your gym, naked, hard and spending a lot of time washing your hard cock in the shower.

    sounds to me like you're cruising and jerking off in the locker room and other people are grossed out by it...and I can't blame them.

    jack off at home, or at least in a bathroom stall....or were you hoping we'd all be outraged in your defense?


    I agree with Tommy. The entire membership shouldn't bend to your will, rather you should be respectful of them.

    And besides, it looks like you belong to at least three different gyms, and regularly go to their showers/locker rooms/steam rooms, and prefer to spend time washing your cock in the group shower instead of the private shower. That's some serious trolling behavior, and you really should tone it down, if not out of respect for your fellow gym members, out of respect for the rest of us fags who are thought of as sex hounds due in part to this type of behavior.
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
    insecure guys get offended if there's another penis within a 500 yard radius.

    if you're certainly not doing anything sexual, i'm not offended. if you walk by and swing your wood to smack me with it, i'll nearly always be bothered. if you're doing anything sexual that's apparent to others, i'll be offended. if i don't know what you're doing in the shower stall, how can i be offended?

    unless it's a gym where sexual acts are accepted and common, none of that stuff should go on where any other person might be aware of it. and if you do mess around somewhere then _please_ clean up your mess icon_evil.gif i have NO desire to see your volley shots in the shower. frankly i'd rather you didn't in the first place, but that's like telling a kid not to do something, he's gonna do it as soon as you turn your back.

    people these days, especially in certain areas, are horrified at their natural appearance and insecure twits to go along with it.
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
    Well, it looks like the OP should pursue a different loophole for accomplishing the goal of public jacking without punishment.
  • gpw678

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    Feb 20, 2009 1:20 AM GMT
    Thank you for weighing in. This is not about ejaculating on the open floor in front of someone who isn't interested in seeing that. Someone mentioned "You should be respectful of them" - well this goes both ways. It's about a simple question that I've been posing to CEOs: "Is there ever a time when it is appropriate for a patron to comment to another patron or staff member about the way a patron looks." Unwelcome ejaculating and urinating on the open floor, touching someone or being loud I would classify as misbehaviors. The question only deals with how someone looks. This would include length of hair or lack of, skin color or disorder, prostheses, obesity or anorexia, and yes, lack of a visible male pkg., large pkg. or pointing package. I've seen men with canteloupe-sized scrotums that I thought was gross, but I didn't go running up to the staff to complain. I'm trying to separate the way someone looks from any misbehavior. Whoever said anyone older than 15 should be able to control the erections if they wanted to, is only half true. They can reduce the incidents of erections by simply keeping the locker room drafty or crank up the A/C, which some clubs do. But many of these clubs offer warm saunas, showers and jacuzzis, activities like basketball and weight training to get the cardio worked up, and in some cases a TV lounge to relax in and a masseur who is squeezing on your torso, arms and legs. Which of those scenarios can promote erections in some guys? Yup, all of the above. Even if I wear the towel as much as possible, it still has to come off to shower or change clothes, and the guy who has the locker next to me could look my way and claim to be offended just as I quickly slip on my shorts. So, I expect protection from these pin-head patrons by management. I expect the same respect from other patrons whether my apparatus is hanging down or up. Any facility whose management cannot answer "No" to that question I posed, is guilty of supporting this form of harassment and of fostering an unhealthy atmosphere of fear and shame and I will not allow them to treat me differently simply based on whether my body temperature is cold or warm and affects my hanging status.