Where is the acknowledgement of non-black support for blacks?

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    Aug 16, 2013 3:08 AM GMT
    I consider myself very much of a "show me your cover after I have read your book" kind of guy. I have my open minded parents and my proper upbringing to thank for that.

    I am a true deep supporter of equal rights for everyone. EVERYONE. I recognize the unfortunate reality that racism is out there and it is ugly. I recognize it but I don't understand the mindset of it. Again, my upbringing.

    What I am also sadly recognizing is a very strange reality that there is a big gaping lack of recognition by blacks in the media of the non-black support that is out there. It has been most obvious to me since the truly sickening verdict in the Trevon Martin trial.

    I am a news junkie, almost to a fault. I watch mostly MSNBC and less CNN. I will go to FOX during commercials if I can even last that long. I love Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC. I have found myself getting increasingly angry though watching her and her panel of black guests discussing racial wrongs on so many levels (of which I understand and agree whole heartedly) but never mentioning or even recognizing the reality that there is so much non-black support for blacks and against racism out there. Even when they were showing the post verdict demonstrations, never was there any mention of the non-black supporters marching shoulder to shoulder, broken heart to broken heart, just as sickened, angered, and disgusted as the rest of the protesters. I feel like MH-P is fueling division with this instead of gathering support from those of us who truly do support.

    I find it very discouraging because I think this is a great opportunity to welcome the sincere support of all supporters regardless of their race of color.

    I just don't understand.
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    Aug 16, 2013 3:19 AM GMT
    You've been watching too much liberal media.
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    Aug 16, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    Besides that I stayed away from that entire trial-come-media-debacle as I saw from the get go that would turn into a racial circus, I would think that what you were shown on the news was purposely played color against color so what you saw was colored.

    I would imagine people are grateful for support just as I'm sure that though no str8 family or friends called any of us to offer congratulations on our DOMA win, that they were happy for us in their own little way.

    I think I get what you're saying, that acknowledging the support of people of non color for people of color might strengthen their cause by making all supporters more visible but it almost sounds like wanting a pat on the back for not discriminating. I'm not saying it crosses but this seems to walk that line.

    I don't think you are saying that we're supposed to get extra credit when we do what we're supposed to do. Rather to be held up as an example for others who don't do what they should.

    If this is simply about wanting acknowledgment for its own sake, then I would presume preparation to cough up reparations. Appreciation for stopping discrimination doesn't come cheap.
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    Aug 16, 2013 4:04 AM GMT
    theantijock saidBesides that I stayed away from that entire trial-come-media-debacle as I saw from the get go that would turn into a racial circus, I would think that what you were shown on the news was purposely played color against color so what you saw was colored.

    I would imagine people are grateful for support just as I'm sure that though no str8 family or friends called any of us to offer congratulations on our DOMA win, that they were happy for us in their own little way.

    I think I get what you're saying, that acknowledging the support of people of non color for people of color might strengthen their cause by making all supporters more visible but it almost sounds like wanting a pat on the back for not discriminating. I'm not saying it crosses but this seems to walk that line.

    I don't think you are saying that we're supposed to get extra credit when we do what we're supposed to do. Rather to be held up as an example for others who don't do what they should.

    If this is simply about wanting acknowledgment for its own sake, then I would presume preparation to cough up reparations. Appreciation for stopping discrimination doesn't come cheap.


    I get your points but I think your line
    "I think I get what you're saying, that acknowledging the support of people of non color for people of color might strengthen their cause by making all supporters more visible" is where I'm at in a nut shell.
    I don't need recognition or a pat on the back at all, I just think there is amazing power in numbers (of all colors). icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 16, 2013 4:43 AM GMT
    GR8_ASLAN saidSo "non-blacks" should get recognition for being empathetic to black people and their hard knock lives. icon_cry.gif


    Maybe next time I volunteer somewhere I'll demand a wind machine and new coverage.


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    It's not about non-blacks "getting recognition" for themselves, it's about the black community recognizing that there is also non-black support with them against racism.
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    Aug 16, 2013 4:19 PM GMT
    Now there's an idea for Hallmark!
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    Aug 16, 2013 5:22 PM GMT
    makinmyway saidI consider myself very much of a "show me your cover after I have read your book" kind of guy. I have my open minded parents and my proper upbringing to thank for that.

    I am a true deep supporter of equal rights for everyone. EVERYONE. I recognize the unfortunate reality that racism is out there and it is ugly. I recognize it but I don't understand the mindset of it. Again, my upbringing.

    What I am also sadly recognizing is a very strange reality that there is a big gaping lack of recognition by blacks in the media of the non-black support that is out there. It has been most obvious to me since the truly sickening verdict in the Trevon Martin trial.

    I am a news junkie, almost to a fault. I watch mostly MSNBC and less CNN. I will go to FOX during commercials if I can even last that long. I love Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC. I have found myself getting increasingly angry though watching her and her panel of black guests discussing racial wrongs on so many levels (of which I understand and agree whole heartedly) but never mentioning or even recognizing the reality that there is so much non-black support for blacks and against racism out there. Even when they were showing the post verdict demonstrations, never was there any mention of the non-black supporters marching shoulder to shoulder, broken heart to broken heart, just as sickened, angered, and disgusted as the rest of the protesters. I feel like MH-P is fueling division with this instead of gathering support from those of us who truly do support.

    I find it very discouraging because I think this is a great opportunity to welcome the sincere support of all supporters regardless of their race of color.

    I just don't understand.


    I understand your frustration. You see now what it's like to be black and be constantly bombarded with images, information, and misinformation degrading blacks as uneducated, poor, and violent. You now have a taste of what black people feel like when every news article with a black perpetrator summons a mob vilifying blacks and "black culture" while every article on white criminals, no matter the crime, ever calls attention to their race.

    Use this as a learning experience.
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    Aug 16, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
    GooberGeek saidI understand your frustration. You see now what it's like to be black and be constantly bombarded with images, information, and misinformation degrading blacks as uneducated, poor, and violent. You now have a taste of what black people feel like when every news article with a black perpetrator summons a mob vilifying blacks and "black culture" while every article on white criminals, no matter the crime, ever calls attention to their race.

    Use this as a learning experience.


    That pretty much says it.

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    Aug 16, 2013 9:00 PM GMT
    great_scott saidNow there's an idea for Hallmark!

    To my dear black friend.

    Though we're the whites
    And you're the blacks
    You've still got rights.
    We've got your backs!


    (I'm actually not making fun of anyone - I just got inspired by Scott's idea to write a Hallmark card. I understand what the OP is saying. I just don't know why we're talking about it.)
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    Aug 16, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    JohnSpotter said
    great_scott saidNow there's an idea for Hallmark!

    To my dear black friend.

    Though we're the whites
    And you're the blacks
    You've still you got rights.
    We've got your backs!


    (I'm actually not making fun of anyone - I just got inspired by Scott's idea to write a Hallmark card. I understand what the OP you saying. I just don't know why we're talking about it.)


    Awwww! Think the OP wants it the other way around though. Either way, this should be the card's cover:

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    Aug 17, 2013 12:07 AM GMT
    makinmyway saidI consider myself very much of a "show me your cover after I have read your book" kind of guy. I have my open minded parents and my proper upbringing to thank for that.

    I am a true deep supporter of equal rights for everyone. EVERYONE. I recognize the unfortunate reality that racism is out there and it is ugly. I recognize it but I don't understand the mindset of it. Again, my upbringing.

    What I am also sadly recognizing is a very strange reality that there is a big gaping lack of recognition by blacks in the media of the non-black support that is out there. It has been most obvious to me since the truly sickening verdict in the Trevon Martin trial.

    I am a news junkie, almost to a fault. I watch mostly MSNBC and less CNN. I will go to FOX during commercials if I can even last that long. I love Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC. I have found myself getting increasingly angry though watching her and her panel of black guests discussing racial wrongs on so many levels (of which I understand and agree whole heartedly) but never mentioning or even recognizing the reality that there is so much non-black support for blacks and against racism out there. Even when they were showing the post verdict demonstrations, never was there any mention of the non-black supporters marching shoulder to shoulder, broken heart to broken heart, just as sickened, angered, and disgusted as the rest of the protesters. I feel like MH-P is fueling division with this instead of gathering support from those of us who truly do support.

    I find it very discouraging because I think this is a great opportunity to welcome the sincere support of all supporters regardless of their race of color.

    I just don't understand.


    Soooo What? You want me to thank you?

    Oh thank ya White man Sir, You sho Know Right....!

    lol jk

    But truly caring means doing what you believe in regardless if you get recognition for your support or not. . . icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 17, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
    guys, can't we all just like party together and go clubbing?
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    Aug 17, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    makinmyway said
    GR8_ASLAN saidSo "non-blacks" should get recognition for being empathetic to black people and their hard knock lives. icon_cry.gif


    Maybe next time I volunteer somewhere I'll demand a wind machine and new coverage.


    #BitchBettaLookGood&RecieveProps4DonatingMyPreciousTyme #Yassss

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    It's not about non-blacks "getting recognition" for themselves, it's about the black community recognizing that there is also non-black support with them against racism.


    Asking for recognition Is... Asking for Recognition...

    Regardless, what makes you think we don't see the support... Media? Media is the Origin of a lot of Black peoples problems.. Why would you look there to see our True thoughts and opinions..???
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    Aug 17, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    makinmyway saidI get your points but I think your line
    "I think I get what you're saying, that acknowledging the support of people of non color for people of color might strengthen their cause by making all supporters more visible" is where I'm at in a nut shell.
    I don't need recognition or a pat on the back at all, I just think there is amazing power in numbers (of all colors). icon_wink.gif


    Good man. I just thought such a take on such a topic given such audience required such clarification. Hope you didn't mind.

    But I think your stated inundation with news has colored your view because news maintains and gains viewers by highlighting or even, given the hugest benefit of the doubt, unwittingly creating tensions.

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    Aug 17, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
    Import saidguys, can't we all just like party together and go clubbing?

    How cool would THAT be?
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    Aug 17, 2013 12:20 AM GMT
    "Regardless, what makes you think we don't see the support... Media? Media is the Origin of a lot of Black peoples problems.. Why would you look there to see our True thoughts and opinions..???"

    I spit on the media every day. They are truly evil.
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    Aug 17, 2013 12:25 AM GMT
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    theantijock saidBesides that I stayed away from that entire trial-come-media-debacle as I saw from the get go that would turn into a racial circus, I would think that what you were shown on the news was purposely played color against color so what you saw was colored.

    I would imagine people are grateful for support just as I'm sure that though no str8 family or friends called any of us to offer congratulations on our DOMA win, that they were happy for us in their own little way.

    I think I get what you're saying, that acknowledging the support of people of non color for people of color might strengthen their cause by making all supporters more visible but it almost sounds like wanting a pat on the back for not discriminating. I'm not saying it crosses but this seems to walk that line.

    I don't think you are saying that we're supposed to get extra credit when we do what we're supposed to do. Rather to be held up as an example for others who don't do what they should.

    If this is simply about wanting acknowledgment for its own sake, then I would presume preparation to cough up reparations. Appreciation for stopping discrimination doesn't come cheap.


    I get your points but I think your line
    "I think I get what you're saying, that acknowledging the support of people of non color for people of color might strengthen their cause by making all supporters more visible" is where I'm at in a nut shell.
    I don't need recognition or a pat on the back at all, I just think there is amazing power in numbers (of all colors). icon_wink.gif


    This reminds me of The Rules of Racial Standing.

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    Aug 17, 2013 12:52 AM GMT
    Their point is that they have a list of grievances, so racism is not dead.
    Some people think that because the Civil Rights Act was passed over 50 years ago their work is done. With the spotlight on the Trevon Martin trial and racism, now is the time to have a discussion about racism.

    Sorry that not all the black people in the US aren't calling you and thanking you for not being racist. There's a phone tree (because all black people know each other icon_lol.gif ). Be patient, you'll get your thank you call any day now.
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    Aug 17, 2013 12:56 AM GMT
    There a bit too many riots for me to get involved. Plus it creates a division. I love people of all shapes and sizes and colors. There are too many in-house racial issues that all races/ethnicities carry with them. It's like extra baggage or a nasty infection that is always there. I'm on board for positivity and peace between all but there are too many people in America for all this to happen all at one. It would have to begin in the smallest of cities and work it's way up the chain. Right about now that kind of stuff just doesn't interest me all the much. I'm just tired of hearing about race and racially charged incidents and wars on the news and in the media.
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    Aug 17, 2013 1:02 AM GMT
    makinmyway said
    GR8_ASLAN saidSo "non-blacks" should get recognition for being empathetic to black people and their hard knock lives. icon_cry.gif


    Maybe next time I volunteer somewhere I'll demand a wind machine and new coverage.


    #BitchBettaLookGood&RecieveProps4DonatingMyPreciousTyme #Yassss

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    It's not about non-blacks "getting recognition" for themselves, it's about the black community recognizing that there is also non-black support with them against racism.


    Well of course. But that is everywhere. That is why we have so many stereotypes among each of the races. I will just use two for now.

    Black Race
    "Oreo" blacks (white on the inside/black on the outside)
    The stuck-up blacks
    The misfits (get called white for being different)
    The ghetto black people aka the Ratchets (lol)

    White Race
    Hillbillies
    Rich whites
    Rebels
    The Valley Bitches
    The thug-out white guys/girls

    I'm sure that all of these personalities and even more, clash at some point in time. Hence the ignorance that there are people who are opposed to other people WHO JUST HAPPEN to be the same race. Just because we both are black doesn't mean that I am required to have to like you.

    *drops the mic*





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    Aug 17, 2013 1:04 AM GMT
    Macaque saidTheir point is that they have a list of grievances, so racism is not dead.
    Some people think that because the Civil Rights Act was passed over 50 years ago their work is done. With the spotlight on the Trevon Martin trial and racism, now is the time to have a discussion about racism.

    Sorry that not all the black people in the US aren't calling you and thanking you for not being racist. There's a phone tree (because all black people know each other icon_lol.gif ). Be patient, you'll get your thank you call any day now.


    He should write a letter to Obama.

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    Aug 17, 2013 1:11 AM GMT
    I'm sure plenty of African-Americans (including myself) understand and acknowledge that there are Non African-American supporters.

    What I'm basically hearing is that you want to be acknowledged for not being a racist.
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    Aug 17, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
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    makinmyway saidI consider myself very much of a "show me your cover after I have read your book" kind of guy. I have my open minded parents and my proper upbringing to thank for that.

    I am a true deep supporter of equal rights for everyone. EVERYONE. I recognize the unfortunate reality that racism is out there and it is ugly. I recognize it but I don't understand the mindset of it. Again, my upbringing.

    What I am also sadly recognizing is a very strange reality that there is a big gaping lack of recognition by blacks in the media of the non-black support that is out there. It has been most obvious to me since the truly sickening verdict in the Trevon Martin trial.

    I am a news junkie, almost to a fault. I watch mostly MSNBC and less CNN. I will go to FOX during commercials if I can even last that long. I love Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC. I have found myself getting increasingly angry though watching her and her panel of black guests discussing racial wrongs on so many levels (of which I understand and agree whole heartedly) but never mentioning or even recognizing the reality that there is so much non-black support for blacks and against racism out there. Even when they were showing the post verdict demonstrations, never was there any mention of the non-black supporters marching shoulder to shoulder, broken heart to broken heart, just as sickened, angered, and disgusted as the rest of the protesters. I feel like MH-P is fueling division with this instead of gathering support from those of us who truly do support.

    I find it very discouraging because I think this is a great opportunity to welcome the sincere support of all supporters regardless of their race of color.

    I just don't understand.


    I understand your frustration. You see now what it's like to be black and be constantly bombarded with images, information, and misinformation degrading blacks as uneducated, poor, and violent. You now have a taste of what black people feel like when every news article with a black perpetrator summons a mob vilifying blacks and "black culture" while every article on white criminals, no matter the crime, ever calls attention to their race.

    Use this as a learning experience.


    Use this as a learning experience? The information you provided is really not a big secret. I really am pretty aware.icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 17, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
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    makinmyway saidI consider myself very much of a "show me your cover after I have read your book" kind of guy. I have my open minded parents and my proper upbringing to thank for that.

    I am a true deep supporter of equal rights for everyone. EVERYONE. I recognize the unfortunate reality that racism is out there and it is ugly. I recognize it but I don't understand the mindset of it. Again, my upbringing.

    What I am also sadly recognizing is a very strange reality that there is a big gaping lack of recognition by blacks in the media of the non-black support that is out there. It has been most obvious to me since the truly sickening verdict in the Trevon Martin trial.

    I am a news junkie, almost to a fault. I watch mostly MSNBC and less CNN. I will go to FOX during commercials if I can even last that long. I love Melissa Harris-Perry on MSNBC. I have found myself getting increasingly angry though watching her and her panel of black guests discussing racial wrongs on so many levels (of which I understand and agree whole heartedly) but never mentioning or even recognizing the reality that there is so much non-black support for blacks and against racism out there. Even when they were showing the post verdict demonstrations, never was there any mention of the non-black supporters marching shoulder to shoulder, broken heart to broken heart, just as sickened, angered, and disgusted as the rest of the protesters. I feel like MH-P is fueling division with this instead of gathering support from those of us who truly do support.

    I find it very discouraging because I think this is a great opportunity to welcome the sincere support of all supporters regardless of their race of color.

    I just don't understand.


    I understand your frustration. You see now what it's like to be black and be constantly bombarded with images, information, and misinformation degrading blacks as uneducated, poor, and violent. You now have a taste of what black people feel like when every news article with a black perpetrator summons a mob vilifying blacks and "black culture" while every article on white criminals, no matter the crime, ever calls attention to their race.

    Use this as a learning experience.


    Use this as a learning experience? The information you provided is really not a big secret. I really am pretty aware.icon_confused.gif


    What do you want exactly? A disclaimer that not every white person is a racist before we discuss racial dynamics?

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    It's generally assumed that most people, including blacks, know not every white is racist.
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    Soooo What? You want me to thank you?

    Oh thank ya White man Sir, You sho Know Right....!

    lol jk






    Yeah, nice. icon_rolleyes.gif