The Collapse of Modern Global Civilisation

  • heyom

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    Aug 18, 2013 3:58 AM GMT
    Many people think our present-day society is already collapsing.

    http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1754/20122845.full

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-buzzell/new-report-global-collaps_b_2443787.html

    The reason for the collapse is multi-fold, but centres on our society depending on resources which will soon be unavailable.

    Alternatively, some believe that it is a lack of spiritual/religious awareness that is causing this, and not resource-based. These may cite stories of past collapses such as Atlantis or the biblical ones. Ironically, others will say past societies have collapsed due to internal war. Others may say collapse is not real, and is an environmental hoax meant to subjugate the people to the will of an "elite." Ironically, yet others believe it was subjugation by an "elite" that has led to this collapse in the first place.

    Do you agree or disagree that out modern society is presently collapsing? Why or why not? If you do think society is collapsing, do you think there are ways to avert this collapse?
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    Aug 18, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    I do not believe that the collapse of modern civilisation is imminent and I do believe that it is avertable.

    Google: Reuben Nelson Foresight Canada Co-Creation

    Reuben offers up hope from a school of thought which can provide a counter to dystopian theories.
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    Aug 18, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    I think it is contracting, but not collapsing. There are rough times ahead, but civilization will continue.
  • heyom

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    Aug 18, 2013 8:27 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidI do not believe that the collapse of modern civilisation is imminent and I do believe that it is avertable.

    Google: Reuben Nelson Foresight Canada Co-Creation

    Reuben offers up hope from a school of thought which can provide a counter to dystopian theories.



    From what I read on him, he is actively engaging in renewing a new civilisation. IOW, he thinks our civilisation is collapsing, has already accepted that fact, and is busy with creating a new one.

    Example: Global warming by 2030 to 2039 could shift agricultural production from the South to the presently too-cold climates of the North. When Ruben Nelson was asked, “Should US citizens move to Canada?” his response was, “Get in line! We already have people who find the southwestern US too hot summering in Canada. In addition, we have a universal health care system.”

    In that scenario, global warming and mass migrations are unavoidable, which has already started. And thus, society IS collapsing already. I think you may have misunderstood what he meant to do or what is meant by a collapse of society. A collapse of society does not mean an end of the world: it means a full-scale haul-over of an old way system into a new one, usually including mass natural and population changes, both of which are presently occurring quite clearly.

    http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Faith-Science-and-Technology/Covalence/Features/Motivating-Scientific-Logos-with-Religious-Mythos.aspx

    Reading the acticle, they do indeed cover environmental degradation and a renewal of spiritual values in science and technology (which have none at present). So he certainly chimes in with the OP's statement on the presence, causes and solutions of collapse.

    Bron Taylor, Professor of religion and environmental ethics at the University of Florida, gave a hopeful talk entitled “Green Religion: On the Possibility that ‘Reverence for Life’ Ethics Might Help Secure a Flourishing Future.” He advocated significant religion-resembling cultural innovations that consider nature sacred and intrinsically beautiful. Similarly, Czech recommended that the Happiness-Satisfaction index should be considered with the materialistic Gross National Product.

    The workshop “Stealing the Fire of the Gods and Healing the World” by psychiatrist Albert Levy and his son Maxwell showed how moral principles were communicated in ancient Greek myths. These and the biblical stories that strive for creative conflict resolution can lead us to a new moral science, according to Levy.

    Rachel Carlson’s “Silent Spring (1962)” helped launch the environmental movement that awakened the world to the ecological threat of DDT, resulting in its world-wide ban. Compelling stories such as this could create the new religious mythos needed to save our planet.


    Thanks for that lead, but it pretty much agrees with my stance on collapse. I like seeing possible ways of alternative lifestyles being given.
  • heyom

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    Aug 18, 2013 8:28 AM GMT
    Philibuster saidI think it is contracting, but not collapsing. There are rough times ahead, but civilization will continue.


    Define "contraction of civilisation" and what kind of civilisation do you see continuing?
  • heyom

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    Aug 18, 2013 9:16 AM GMT
    somersault saidhaha this is crap


    Which part? That society is collapsing is untrue in your belief? I am asking seriously here now.
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    Aug 18, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
    All societies develop and change. Eventually, they can change so that they are quite different from what they once were (like the ancient Roman empire, which never really "fell") or they can deteriorate quite rapidly and be abandoned (such as the ancestral Puebloan societies of the American SW (which still exist today, but are much smaller and, of course, exist within a larger, more dominant society.)

    The issue is, you NEVER know that your society is changing or completely collapsing when you are experiencing it. It happens over generations. You have to take a historical view after the fact to realize it.

    My answer to your question: Our society is changing. Civilization is changing. I don't know if it's happening quickly or slowly or for the better or for the worse.
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    Aug 18, 2013 1:54 PM GMT
    Many possible outcomes all of which depends only on our choices and actions we take, only time can tell.