Obama Expresses "Concern" over latest Nerve gas Attacks in Syria

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    Aug 22, 2013 2:05 AM GMT
    I am sure that crocodile tears must be falling at the white house as well. How nice, as Betty Davis might have said. Maybe he can send the victims condolence cards (if there still is mail delivery to the towns the Syrians just attacked). Seems the "red line" has been moved back yet another time.

    http://english.cri.cn/6966/2013/08/22/2724s783445.htm

    There are plenty of grusome videos out on the intrenet of the writhing bodies, if anyone wants to seach them out.
  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 23, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
    Obama knows all too well the dangers of getting involved in foreign wars in the Middle East.

    It never ends well.

    And Syria is as bad as they come, with all its factions and centuries long grievances, etc.

    He would be well advised to beware of the insurgents, too, as they seem a very mixed group, politically and morally.
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    Aug 23, 2013 12:30 AM GMT
    Obama's lack of interest in international affairs will serve the USA well in the case of Syria. Staying out of it is the right thing to do.
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    Aug 27, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
    Are these real or staged?

    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili
    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili

    Any day now...........

    Norfolk based destroyers ready for Syria strike
    http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/08/27/Norfolk-based-destroyers-ready-for-Syria-strike/5051377622438/
    http://news.yahoo.com/u-s---not-trying-to-take-out-assad-with-syria-response--192034188.html

    Napoleon Bonaparte family????

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    Aug 27, 2013 11:23 PM GMT

    this would explain the dramatic increase in stock prices of defense contractors over the last year, they were never this high during the last decade with Iraq and Afghanistan, icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/co?s=LMT+Competitors


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    Aug 27, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
    If George Bush was still president we'd have already over run the country, tortured or killed a hundred thousand innocent Syrians and claimed victory 5-10 years early.
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    Aug 27, 2013 11:38 PM GMT

    yep....bloodlines




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    Aug 28, 2013 12:56 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidAre these real or staged?

    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili
    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili

    Any day now...........

    Norfolk based destroyers ready for Syria strike
    to-take-out-assad-with-syria-response--192034188.html

    Oh - quite real. This is now the 2nd time the redline has been crossed. Today's news implies that the US will finally do something. Unfortunately, the administration has also let it be known today, that it has no intention of trying to bring down the Asad regime. Which leaves us wondering, is the US just going to make some token strike, that will eliminate a few aircraft, but leave everything else essentially the status quo? Time will tell.
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    Aug 28, 2013 1:08 AM GMT
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    scruffLA saidAre these real or staged?

    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili
    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili

    Any day now...........

    Norfolk based destroyers ready for Syria strike
    to-take-out-assad-with-syria-response--192034188.html

    Oh - quite real. This is now the 2nd time the redline has been crossed. Today's news implies that the US will finally do something. Unfortunately, the administration has also let it be known today, that it has no intention of trying to bring down the Asad regime. Which leaves us wondering, is the US just going to make some token strike, that will eliminate a few aircraft, but leave everything else essentially the status quo? Time will tell.



    and why is it the US responsibility to lead the slap on someone elses hands? this gets old and tired real fast, let Briton, Isreal or Germany take the lead for once since the problem is in their backyard... it has no intention of trying to bring down the Asad regime, well, US must have a stock pile of missiles it needs to get rid of so we can replenish and build some more new advanced ones.....
    I see right through this smoke screen

    You see this is exactly how (1991) Gulf War I started, Saddam Hussian, didnt remove him then (just playing with him) and had to come back a decade later to do it, more war, more spending....US will be back again in 10 years to remove Asad, keeps the machines goin
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    Aug 28, 2013 2:20 AM GMT
    sometimes the status quo is better than the alternative in the Middle East
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    Aug 28, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    HikeSwimSkiSF said
    scruffLA saidAre these real or staged?

    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili
    Iran-warns-of-dire-consequences-for-mili

    Any day now...........

    Norfolk based destroyers ready for Syria strike
    to-take-out-assad-with-syria-response--192034188.html

    Oh - quite real. This is now the 2nd time the redline has been crossed. Today's news implies that the US will finally do something. Unfortunately, the administration has also let it be known today, that it has no intention of trying to bring down the Asad regime. Which leaves us wondering, is the US just going to make some token strike, that will eliminate a few aircraft, but leave everything else essentially the status quo? Time will tell.



    and why is it the US responsibility to lead the slap on someone elses hands? this gets old and tired real fast, let Briton, Isreal or Germany take the lead for once since the problem is in their backyard... it has no intention of trying to bring down the Asad regime, well, US must have a stock pile of missiles it needs to get rid of so we can replenish and build some more new advanced ones.....
    I see right through this smoke screen

    You see this is exactly how (1991) Gulf War I started, Saddam Hussian, didnt remove him then (just playing with him) and had to come back a decade later to do it, more war, more spending....US will be back again in 10 years to remove Asad, keeps the machines goin


    I totally agree. However what is the difference here between Iraq and Syria?
    Both used chemical weapons on its people. In S Hussein case he invaded a sovereign country and threatened to do it again under a armistice. Hussein killed alot more people with chemical weapons than Assad has.

    In Iraq's case Bush 1 @ 2 sought congressional authority to launch an attack.

    I dont here the same clamors for congressional approval or talk of "illegal war". Any involvement needs congressional approval. This approval is unlikely given the attitude and hopeless situation a American military force would bring to the middle east.

    Biden about 6 years ago threatened to impeach Bush 2 on just the implication of attacking Iran without Presidential approval.
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    Aug 30, 2013 2:35 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    this would explain the dramatic increase in stock prices of defense contractors over the last year, they were never this high during the last decade with Iraq and Afghanistan, icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/co?s=LMT+Competitors

    Shares of defense contractors rise as Syria tensions mount
    [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/29/shares-of-defense-contractors-rise-as-syria-tensions-mount.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29[/url]

  • Webster666

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    Aug 30, 2013 3:07 AM GMT
    CONCERN ?!
    CONCERN ?!
    He already drew a line in the sand, saying that there would be consequences if Assad used chemical weapons against his people.
    He has now done so.
    It's time for some serious military action.
  • musclmed

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    Aug 30, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidCONCERN ?!
    CONCERN ?!
    He already drew a line in the sand, saying that there would be consequences if Assad used chemical weapons against his people.
    He has now done so.
    It's time for some serious military action.


    Then whats the difference between Syria and Iraq?

    Iraq invaded a country and threatened to do it again under an armistice. Sadam Hussein gassed many more people.

    Iraq had resolutions against it in the UN that it violated, Syria doesnt have anything like that in the UN.

    If the majority of Arab countries back intervention then they THEMSELVES should do something about it. I mean the biggest complaint Islamist have is foreign non Islamic troops in the Islamic countries. Its time for them to police themselves.

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    Aug 30, 2013 10:35 AM GMT
    The difference is that now the left has control of the US military. No demands for congressional approval, no demands for a time line and withdrawal plan, just support for whatever Obama does.
    That said, based on what I currently know, which is probably nowhere near as much as the president does, I support a limited strike, provided they consider every possible consequence very carefully. The middle east has always been very tricky, and we must tread carefully. God Forbid other arab countries step up to the plate, it's always the US. We are, after all, the world's greatest force for good in existence. Obama must decide if he will follow through if it escalates, because by then it will be too late to buy peace like democrats typically try to do.
  • GQjock

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    Aug 30, 2013 1:02 PM GMT
    Yet ANOTHER anything that Obama does must be bad fromyet another republican hypocrite

    Dude remember that Alzheimery guy you all know and love?
    Remember him?
    Yeah the one who knew about the thousands of people gased in Jahlabja Iraq but didn't say boo

    Ya think they were writhing enuf when they choked to death?

    After the clusterf**k of criminality that went on getting into the Iraq war we are all gun shy about getting tangled in snubbing else .....can you blame us????
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    Aug 30, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    Allied countries have their own process to go through. Obama cannot just command he world to go to war, any more than he can just command the United States to go to war.

    I do wish people would be sensible.


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    Aug 30, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYet ANOTHER anything that Obama does must be bad fromyet another republican hypocrite

    Dude remember that Alzheimery guy you all know and love?
    Remember him?
    Yeah the one who knew about the thousands of people gased in Jahlabja Iraq but didn't say boo

    Ya think they were writhing enuf when they choked to death?

    After the clusterf**k of criminality that went on getting into the Iraq war we are all gun shy about getting tangled in snubbing else .....can you blame us????

    Pleeeze - I'm not a republican nor hypocrite. Obama is a hypocrite - but that's not the point. Pretty much all of our recent presidents have ignored or supported genocide by other countries. Read a little history. In this case, about 3 missiles could end Asad's regime and his genocide, but they won't be sent, or if they ever are, won't be directed at him, but at some lowly army privates who are assigned to be where the aircraft or AA are stored. Roosevelt could have bombed the crematoria - Didn't. Ford told Indonesia it was OK to invade East Timor, and Carter supported them after the genocide had begun. Clinton did nothing about Rwanda, and Bush did nothing about the nerve gassing of Kurds. Clinton delayed any action regarding Yugoslavia until most of the genocides were over. We haven't had a decent president in many years.
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    Aug 30, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidAllied countries have their own process to go through. Obama cannot just command he world to go to war, any more than he can just command the United States to go to war. I do wish people would be sensible.

    THE US is still (barely ) a superppower. It doesn't need joint allied action. Obama promised major action if the "redline" were crossed, and now we see it as the empty threat it was. Who said anything about going to war - We send some missiles their way, and that's the end of it (if they were aimed at Asad). If Asad killed one american or destroyed any american property (which he must have done) it would be justification for retaliation (as if justification for stopping genocide were necessary. We have already paid for the missiles - it is no additional cost to the stingy taxpayers of the US.
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    Aug 30, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYet ANOTHER anything that Obama does must be bad fromyet another republican hypocrite

    Dude remember that Alzheimery guy you all know and love?
    Remember him?
    Yeah the one who knew about the thousands of people gased in Jahlabja Iraq but didn't say boo

    Ya think they were writhing enuf when they choked to death?

    After the clusterf**k of criminality that went on getting into the Iraq war we are all gun shy about getting tangled in snubbing else .....can you blame us????


    I am just curious about the difference between Iraq and Syria... Iraq had a open armistice , meaning the first conflict was not even over, it was in violation of it. It was subject to a no fly zone which it violated. And was making threats to re invade Kuwait. It had used chemical weapons on its people which was proven.

    In this case Syria may have used weapons, but if Iraq was so wrong in hindsight why is Syria so right? If the US were to put to a vote in the UN, it would not pass. The British which supported us in Iraq just voted it down?

    Again why is this more right to attack a country that has not engaged us? At least Iraq shot at our jets.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-29/obama-striking-assad-risks-international-law-conflict.html