Three things I'll do on Day Without A Gay Day... ?

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    Nov 17, 2008 4:52 AM GMT
    If you haven't heard about it, see the L.A. Times column, or go right to JoinTheImpact.com.

    I'm not an activist. But this issue is about first principles of liberty and equality. So I'll participate - while trying not to feel like I'm giving in to S/He Who Snaps. Not that I'll be making any sort of sacrifice. I mean, since when did protests require not doing something?

    When Mexicans and Gays created their own versions - that's when. During Day Without A Mexican Day local news showed the parks and beaches packed with Latino sufferers, infected with what they called el gripe de busboy (the busboy flu), medicating on carne, pollo and cerveza. (Recuerde, mis chulos?)

    They have their way, we'll no doubt have ours. And I'm curious to see what it will be.

    I'm open to suggestions. And, what's your plan?
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    Nov 17, 2008 6:11 AM GMT


    We think you guys should all take some bucks and treat yourselves to gay restaurants, gay cinemas, gay beaches, gay sports events, gay shops, gay spas and gyms, and gay watering holes.

    We also think you should try involve as many straight friends as you have, so the numbers appear even bigger.

    Wow, sure sounds like a day of fun. A happy day......

    ..a...GAY DAY!


  • Hunter9

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    Nov 17, 2008 6:37 AM GMT
    i, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.

  • MuslDrew

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    Nov 17, 2008 7:27 AM GMT
    Hunter9 saidi, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.



    I'd like to hear your ideas.
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 17, 2008 7:50 AM GMT
    MuslDrew said
    Hunter9 saidi, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.



    I'd like to hear your ideas.


    a) hope the supreme court overturns the proposition, saying that this was in fact a revision to the CA constitution

    if that fails, then
    b) put a proposition on the 2010 ballot to overturn Prop 8... some old people will have died, and some young people will have come of age, thus closing the 4% gap. to get over the hump, we will demonstrate BEFORE the election (a novel concept) and donate more of our time and money.

    regardless of a) and b), we will NOT
    c) act like fucking idiots, intimidating people who disagree... this is not how to garner support. let the bigots be bigots... their opinion will not be swayed. however, there is a large swath of people in the middle who COULD be swayed, but we risk losing their vote if we come off like a bunch of pushey attention whores.

    and for the love of god, if a protest you are participating in receives media/TV attention, please try and look/dress normal. Non-coastal california has like 15 million votes, and those people are NOT more likely to vote with us if they think we are a bunch of cross-dressers and the like.
  • shoelessj

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    Nov 17, 2008 8:19 AM GMT
    "and for the love of god, if a protest you are participating in receives media/TV attention, please try and look/dress normal"

    Define normal.


  • JewcyDude

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    Nov 17, 2008 8:25 AM GMT
    Hunter9 said
    MuslDrew said
    Hunter9 saidi, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.



    I'd like to hear your ideas.


    and for the love of god, if a protest you are participating in receives media/TV attention, please try and look/dress normal. Non-coastal california has like 15 million votes, and those people are NOT more likely to vote with us if they think we are a bunch of cross-dressers and the like.


    i pretty much agreed with you up until you said this. what is normal? we want to be accepted for who we are and if that means dressing up the way you want to dress than so be it. everyone should be accepted for who they are.

    let them think what they think. I want a vote that's genuine and completely understanding of all types of people. I understand where you come from but I would never ask anyone to change themselves. I was even upset when I think it was the HRC (?) asked everyone to look good and i would say they meant more "mainstream" during wedding ceremonies etc during the proposition battle.
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    Nov 17, 2008 8:56 AM GMT
    Hunter9 said
    MuslDrew said
    Hunter9 saidi, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.



    I'd like to hear your ideas.




    and for the love of god, if a protest you are participating in receives media/TV attention, please try and look/dress normal. Non-coastal california has like 15 million votes, and those people are NOT more likely to vote with us if they think we are a bunch of cross-dressers and the like.


    Oh fuck that conformist, Mattachinist noise. If you think that the fight for gay rights is just so we can get married, and not a fight to allow everyone the chance to reject rigid social ideas of gender and behavior if they don't fit into them, then I think you've missed the point.

    To the flamers, the drag-queens, and all the other segments of our community struggling just as hard for our rights, I say join the protests, in whatever way you normally present yourself to society.
  • Hunter9

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    Nov 17, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    Chewey_Delt said
    Hunter9 said
    MuslDrew said
    Hunter9 saidi, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.



    I'd like to hear your ideas.




    and for the love of god, if a protest you are participating in receives media/TV attention, please try and look/dress normal. Non-coastal california has like 15 million votes, and those people are NOT more likely to vote with us if they think we are a bunch of cross-dressers and the like.


    Oh fuck that conformist, Mattachinist noise. If you think that the fight for gay rights is just so we can get married, and not a fight to allow everyone the chance to reject rigid social ideas of gender and behavior if they don't fit into them, then I think you've missed the point.

    To the flamers, the drag-queens, and all the other segments of our community struggling just as hard for our rights, I say join the protests, in whatever way you normally present yourself to society.


    i figured that i may get some push back on this issue. and i dont disagree with the above sentiment, but it think we need to take one fight at a time. once marriage is reached, then acceptance will grow exponentially.
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    Nov 17, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    Hunter9 saidi, for one, think this is a fucking retarded idea.



    i, for two, agree!
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    Nov 17, 2008 3:58 PM GMT

    Sahem62896 and hunter9 have verbally demonstrated why nothing gets anywhere...


    "He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help."
    -Abraham Lincoln

    "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
    -Abraham Lincoln




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    Nov 17, 2008 4:04 PM GMT


    and this last...

    'To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.'
    Abraham Lincoln
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    Nov 17, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    While I'm not convinced a Day Without Gays is the greatest idea, I do believe that anything that increases our visibility and calls attention to our cause has a benefit. And so, hell yeah, I'd participate and support all who do.

    My partner and I have an online business that I'm considering closing for the day... the homepage explaining the nature of the protest. I think it's the least we can do to participate.
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    Nov 17, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    I'm in! As for what I'll do, not sure yet.....
  • Timbales

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    Nov 17, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    I think it's a good idea - a non-aggressive way to show the impact we have on our society. The jobs we do an the money we spend keep our economy going. If people don't think we are important, this sends a message.

  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 17, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    I'd like to know how a fagcott will show an economic sting in a time of a rare "consumer revolt"?


    This is a stupid idea!
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    Nov 17, 2008 5:42 PM GMT
    the only problem with this is that one day boycotts dont work. great your hair dresser called in gay! you can get your haircut tomorrow. its like when people were calling for day without purchasing gas. it wont do anything becuase in the end the next day everything is back to normal and you can get whatever you need
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    Nov 17, 2008 5:45 PM GMT
    BRIX saidWhile I'm not convinced a Day Without Gays is the greatest idea, I do believe that anything that increases our visibility and calls attention to our cause has a benefit.


    but how does a day WITHOUT gays increase our VISIBILITY? duh!
    and besides, if anything that just gets the gay-haters exactly what hey want.... a day of not seeing us. how DOES that help us?
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    Nov 17, 2008 5:58 PM GMT
    My company is already gay supportive. Sexual orientation is already protected. I wont be skipping work. That would hurt a company that has already made the change.
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    Nov 17, 2008 6:16 PM GMT


    Though the idea may seem dumb, try this thought....ever lose your car keys?
    The US is going into recession, consumerism is falling... a perfect time to give gay businesses and gay friendly ones a boost, even if for a day - it's something which is better than nothing.


    Caslon's going to work at a gay friendly company - that's perfect. Hopefully everyone else employed in that sense will too. How wearing a pin or button to show support?

    If some of you think the whole thing is dumb, how about some creative alternatives?




  • styrgan

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    Nov 17, 2008 6:59 PM GMT
    coolHUSSEINdude saidI'd like to know how a fagcott will show an economic sting in a time of a rare "consumer revolt"?


    This is a stupid idea!


    I'm tired of you guys misrepresenting Day Without a Gay.

    http://daywithoutagay.org/

    If you're going to criticize it, at least know what it's about...


    "On December 10, 2008 the gay community will take a historic stance against hatred by donating love to a variety of different causes. You are encouraged not to call in sick to work. You are encouraged to call in "gay"--and donate your time to service!"


    The idea is not a "fagcott," but to spread love through service to our communities, which is if I recall what so many have you been criticizing the gay community for over the past week with your nonsense how we are selfish and don't care about our fellow man.

    If you guys have a better idea than us sicking out of work and donating our time to the Red Cross or wherever, I'd like to hear it. Your negativity and your failure to stand up is the reason why we're in this mess at all.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 17, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    FYI,

    Although I'm not a California citizen, I DONATED my HARD EARNED CASH to support No on 8. So because I, or anyone, thinks negative on your ideas doesn't mean we're simply sitting on our duffs!!!!!

    And how presumptive of "Day without Gay" to act like we need to volunteer or donate to a good charity to show our better side!!!! Like we need an ulterior motive to make us look good to our political enemies. This whole idea is self-serving at best. Take this day without gay and count me OUT!!!


    Religiously speaking, it's like praying in public so that others will see you praying instead of actually praying. SUCH HYPOCRISY!!!


    AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


    ...you just opened a can of worms....icon_rolleyes.gif
  • styrgan

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    Nov 19, 2008 12:19 AM GMT
    coolHUSSEINdude saidFYI,

    Although I'm not a California citizen, I DONATED my HARD EARNED CASH to support No on 8. So because I, or anyone, thinks negative on your ideas doesn't mean we're simply sitting on our duffs!!!!!

    And how presumptive of "Day without Gay" to act like we need to volunteer or donate to a good charity to show our better side!!!! Like we need an ulterior motive to make us look good to our political enemies. This whole idea is self-serving at best. Take this day without gay and count me OUT!!!


    Religiously speaking, it's like praying in public so that others will see you praying instead of actually praying. SUCH HYPOCRISY!!!


    AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


    ...you just opened a can of worms....icon_rolleyes.gif



    It is your right to think its a bad idea; I just suggested that everyone speak about the event correctly rather than falsely branding it a "fagcott."

    Regardless of how self-serving you think it is, it is less self-serving and more effective than a boycott or a sickout. Many companies see significant results off their "goodwill" advertising (Starbucks, Target, etc.), and we can assume this will be, assuming this is not botched up, a more positive step forward than congregating outside a Mormon church with signs, making ourselves visible to a group of people whose minds are set in stone. And I went to the protests, but protests and money are only going to get us so far.

    We do need to reach out to our political enemies, we do need to change their perception of us. We're not going to solve this with riots and kicking straight people out of gay ghettos. And there are plenty of people who we can bring on over to our side, because there are so many people that haven't heard the logic of our arguments.
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    Nov 19, 2008 12:37 AM GMT
    Lets all go to Griffith Park and run around nakid!icon_biggrin.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 19, 2008 12:39 AM GMT
    Who ever heard of winning an equality struggle in this manner?

    With all due respect, your over-simplification of the political climate surrounding our issues makes you naiive. Go ahead with your plans. I don't dislike you for it, but I think your ideas will leave you sour and pessimistic when it's all said and done.


    I still haven't seen a riot of sorts break out nor have I seen a movement to that degree of protest. Over-exaggeration won't win you points.