"UPDATE: Focus on the Family announced this afternoon that 202 jobs will be cut companywide — more than 20 percent of its workforce. Initial reports bring the total number of remaining employees to around 950. Focus on the Family is poised to announce major layoffs to its Colorado Springs-based ministry and media empire today. The cutbacks come just weeks after the group pumped more than half a million dollars into the successful effort to pass a gay-marriage ban in California." http://coloradoindependent.com/15287/after-pumping-money-into-prop-8-focus-on-the-family-announcing-layoffs Oh sweet delicious tears of hunger! Let me lick them from your crying hypocritical eyes! So so bittersweet! Yum!
ericsantamaria saidYour post just made my day! I'd be waiting outside their offices with busted boxes saying "What now, bitches!?"
Awww thanks! Yeah me too! I'd love to collect their hungry tears, freeze them into ice cubes and put them into a lovely cocktail. "Mmmm, how does irony taste? From here, quite delicious!"
Seriously, what a bunch of fucktards. "Gays can't marry in California and we're out of work. Everybody wins!"
MunchingZombie saidgood news for those 202. The KKK is hiring.
WTHeck? That's just wrong. Maybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
MunchingZombie saidgood news for those 202. The KKK is hiring.
WTHeck? That's just wrong. Maybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
You are telling that to the wrong person. But have you no sense of schadenfreude?
MunchingZombie saidgood news for those 202. The KKK is hiring.
WTHeck? That's just wrong. Maybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
I seem to remember quite a few lies coming from the Yes on 8 people... does that mean we need to start lying to get equal rights now? And here I thought we needed to take the moral high ground.
MunchingZombie saidgood news for those 202. The KKK is hiring.
WTHeck? That's just wrong. Maybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
I seem to remember quite a few lies coming from the Yes on 8 people... does that mean we need to start lying to get equal rights now? And here I thought we needed to take the moral high ground.
Well MZ has a point. There are alleged ties between the KKK, David Duke, the FRC and the Foucus on the Family groups.
"Four years ago, Perkins addressed the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), America's premier white supremacist organization...in 1996 Perkins paid former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke $82,000 for his mailing list. At the time, Perkins was the campaign manager for a Republican candidate for the US Senate in Louisiana. The Federal Election Commission fined the campaign Perkins ran $3,000 for attempting to hide the money paid to Duke."
What bothers me the most is the business jargon used to describe FotF. These people are making a business out of forcing their views onto others through religion. There's few things that piss me off more than people making a profit from someone's faith.
I feel sorry for those that lost thier jobs, and my thoughts are with them. But I have no sympathy for the company itself. It did something very cruel and non-christian to the gays in California. So the company makes me mad, but I do feel sorry for those that lost thier jobs. It is a bad time to be unemployed
MunchingZombie saidgood news for those 202. The KKK is hiring.
WTHeck? That's just wrong. Maybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
I agree... it takes some effort. And not only have they worked for this ban... but if you think about it, it took many years for Christian to be free of persecution. In fact... they had to leave their country to be free from religious perectution. So yeah, they worked hard for their religious freedom and to continue to fight for their beliefs. So blogging, carrying signs around... not sure it'll help much. I think they do a great job educating people... have you seen how huge Christian book publishers and bookstores are... or the radio stations... and... well, I don't think many people ever believe the TV evangelist, but them too.
At first I thought to myself, "Oh God, now I may end up working with one of those nuts." Then I realized that I live nowhere near any of their offices...
looknrnd saidAt first I thought to myself, "Oh God, now I may end up working with one of those nuts." Then I realized that I live nowhere near any of their offices...
Well.. before moving to CO they were stationed here in Pomona, CA. I think some of their ministry is still operated from out here. So you never know... haha!
What kills me is the fact that this country was built on the foundation that all men are created equal...and then everyone has to FIGHT for their rights...the only people who haven't had to fight for their rights are hetero white males with money...
some foundation.
You know I think I remember reading a story about the characters who started out as "all are equal"...and then when everyone had equal rights the law changed to say "some are more equal than others"...that was Animal Farm by George Orwell and is one of the most famous satirical allegories of Soviet totalitarianism.
let's look at our history and tell me there isn't some paralleling here.
dfrourke saidthe only people who haven't had to fight for their rights are hetero white males with money...
before our country was our country... it was the hetero white males that had to fight for their rights for religious freedom. they left England coming here for their religiou freedom. so... its all history now, but they fought for it and that is why they have their freedom now. keep on fighting for your rights and one day when we are just history people may forget that gays had to fight for rights long ago. ya know?
You know what - the struggle for equality is organic. There are no set rules for how it's done or for how it should be done. Comparing the efforts of the fundamentalists to the efforts of the LGBT community is very myopic. What are you personally doing to ensure your equal treatment under the law? What are you doing to combat bigotry? How do you stand up for humanity? How do you put your face to the movement, the cause? With all do respect, I sense that a lot of people harping on about this "comfort zone" that we're supposed to haul our collective selves out of are really themselves mired in it.
Chizzad saidMaybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
As a gay man in California, I'm very sorry I disappointed you. I will try to do better next time.
I will emulate Focus on The Family, adopting all of their techniques, and "sacrifice" like they do. I will "get off my butt." I will "stop complaining." I will stop "posting my thoughts in gay forums." I will get "out of my comfort zone."
I'm sure that if I follow these great suggestions, that next time, California will save gay marriage for you. Please let us know if there's anything else we're doing wrong and what else we can do for you. Oh, and if you could tell us all that you have done and worked so hard at, I'm sure that would be very helpful too. We obviously need a lot of guidance.
[quote]As a gay man in California, I'm very sorry I disappointed you. I will try to do better next time.
I will emulate Focus on The Family, adopting all of their techniques, and "sacrifice" like they do. I will "get off my butt." I will "stop complaining." I will stop "posting my thoughts in gay forums." I will get "out of my comfort zone."
I'm sure that if I follow these great suggestions, that next time, California will save gay marriage for you. Please let us know if there's anything else we're doing wrong and what else we can do for you. Oh, and if you could tell us all that you have done and worked so hard at, I'm sure that would be very helpful too. We obviously need a lot of guidance.[/quote]
He just means the gay community as a whole... its easy to complain, easy to go carry a sign around to let people know you are upset... but is that gonna change anything? Find a way to educate the people that don't understand. For example, before voting day I heard a cop saying he didn't want his kids being taught about gay marriage in school. But then commercials on one side said that is false... the other making it sound true. So... what is true? I don't think there was enough information for people to fully understand what they were voting on.
MunchingZombie saidgood news for those 202. The KKK is hiring.
WTHeck? That's just wrong. Maybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
Chizzad reminded me of Al Pacino as Roy Cohn in Angel's in America.
at about 5;20 he says: "homosexuals are men that in 15 years can't pass a piss-ant anti descrimination bill in city council". etc
It does require effort. I have to say my contribution has been less than adequate. Time to mobilize and change that.
who the hell is chizzad? isn't he that old guy who prayed on a teenager from oregon or sumpin? forget his name but yeah hell with focus on the family. sorry for the job loss but it's not hurting the pastor. damn republicans from colorado. oh, wait i'm from colorado. nevermind. GOBAMA!
Chizzad saidHummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
Yes, because the sharing of thoughts, ideas, and opinions within a targeted community that is geographically dispersed is such a bad idea.
Call it what you want to and hate my comment if you want to but either way I am right. People have had to fight for their rights since the very early years of this USA. Womens rights, black rights, and the list goes on. All I am saying is get off your crying ass and do something if you feel you deserve it. Until you are willing to die for a cause then you have nothing on the people in the past that stood up for what they believe in and what they ended up getting due to a long hard faught effort. Why folks think things are just given out like that is beyond me but you folks have got it twisted. Don't talk about it be about it, talking in these forums won't change a thing and most of you should know that!
Yeah, I know what ya mean, Chizzad. Personally, I've been too busy playing on my slip-n-slide to write letters, make calls and attend protests. My guess is so have the tens of thousands of other gay people who haven't been doing that for the past week or so, at least.
Chizzad saidPretty much pointless, yall have fun with this, in the mean time there are very few gays out there working to gain their rights. Take care!
Try looking a little further than from a bedroom window in Charlotte.
Chizzad saidPretty much pointless, yall have fun with this, in the mean time there are very few gays out there working to gain their rights. Take care!
WTF? There were like 10,000 people at the protest this last weekend here in Los Angeles. If discussing stuff here turns at least one person to donate time or money to reversing this injustice then I think that's a good thing. Lots of people are not comfortable exercising their rights Chizzad, demonstrating or otherwise being an activist.
My ex is a perfect example. It's taken him years to be brave and at least go to a march.
I dont feel sorry one bit for those people getting laid off by Focus on the family. I sure wouldnt give them anything for the Holidays..there are more deserving people.
Chizzad saidPretty much pointless, yall have fun with this, in the mean time there are very few gays out there working to gain their rights. Take care!
If that's the point you were trying to make earlier, then I agree. However, assuming that those who are posting on forums are not also the ones "working to gain their rights" was a massive FAIL. Not to mention the inherent FAIL in posting to a board to decry the act of posting to a board.
This announcement comes at the same time that Citigroup announced 50,000 layoffs worldwide. That news was tragic, this news is a minor blip.
And if they really care about the family maybe they should look at some of the root causes of family breakdowns, including lack of communication between spouses because they are too busy working their asses off to make ends meet.
Instead they concentrate on guys that want to have emotional and physical intimacy with members of their own sex in the privacy of their homes.
Chizzad saidMaybe we all could take lessons from these people and realize that sometimes a sacrifice has to be made in order to achieve certain goals that we hold so dear to our hearts. Perhaps if gays in Cali were demonstrating their points of view for gay marriage in a way that these people worked in order to ban it then marriage would still be an option. What is it worth to everyone that is complaining to get off their rears and actually do something about it? They did and I bet if you ask the ones being laid off they would say it was worth it. Of course I am totally for gay rights and gay marriage but it seems most gays think it should be handed to them without effort. Hummm maybe if we spent less time posting our thoughts in gay forums and spent more time expressing ourselves outside of our comfort zone things would change.
As a gay man in California, I'm very sorry I disappointed you. I will try to do better next time.
I will emulate Focus on The Family, adopting all of their techniques, and "sacrifice" like they do. I will "get off my butt." I will "stop complaining." I will stop "posting my thoughts in gay forums." I will get "out of my comfort zone."
I'm sure that if I follow these great suggestions, that next time, California will save gay marriage for you. Please let us know if there's anything else we're doing wrong and what else we can do for you. Oh, and if you could tell us all that you have done and worked so hard at, I'm sure that would be very helpful too. We obviously need a lot of guidance.
Well yes, you could drop the pretensions over olive oil groves.
Chizzad saidCall it what you want to and hate my comment if you want to but either way I am right. People have had to fight for their rights since the very early years of this USA. Womens rights, black rights, and the list goes on. All I am saying is get off your crying ass and do something if you feel you deserve it. Until you are willing to die for a cause then you have nothing on the people in the past that stood up for what they believe in and what they ended up getting due to a long hard faught effort. Why folks think things are just given out like that is beyond me but you folks have got it twisted. Don't talk about it be about it, talking in these forums won't change a thing and most of you should know that!
You know Sir Chizzad is right in on this one, I mean don't be like one of those guys that when someone dumps them calls and texts me non-stop crying about missing them, get up and do something and don't just bitch about it.
yeah let's move on and chizzad that means no more emails from ya. it's a forum here not a personal deal. just having fun. no need to get your juniors in a bunch.
Abe13 saidIt did something very cruel and non-christian to the gays in California.
Well... considering their beliefs, I think the way they voted was very Christian. Not sure I understand this statement about them being non-christian?
Being Christain means to love your neighbor as yourself. So if they are being really "christian" then they hate themselves as well. They are following a personal doctrine of hate. The foundation of Christianity is love. To go against that is to be un-christian. I truly believe that Focus on the Family is being hit by the very Divinity they claim to worship for not doing what he says "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR!!!!!!!!"
Abe13 saidBeing Christain means to love your neighbor as yourself. So if they are being really "christian" then they hate themselves as well. They are following a personal doctrine of hate. The foundation of Christianity is love. To go against that is to be un-christian. I truly believe that Focus on the Family is being hit by the very Divinity they claim to worship for not doing what he says "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR!!!!!!!!"
Being Christian is defined being Christ-like. Something that was spoken in the Bible is to love your neighbor as yourself. However, if you wanna be technical and quote the Bible, Jesus ate with "sinners" and fellowshipped with them... but he still acknowledged what they were doing was wrong. Even God/Jesus has times in the Bible where you see his anger towards people doing wrong..... the flood where only those in the ark were saved, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the sinful nature, and even Jesus came in the temple throwing over all the tables of the sinners in there trying to make money in the temple.
So not to get into a theological debate and veer off course..... but yes, they acted very Christ-like, or Christian, by trying to put an end to what they believe is sinful.
Not at all saying I agree... but you can't use their Bible to say they are doing is wrong.
They are taught in their Bible:
"Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin.... Do not defile upirselves in any of these ways, for these are the things the heathen do, and because they do them I am going to cast them out from the land into which you are going. That entire country is defiled with this kind of activity that is why I am punishing the people living there, and will throw them out of the land."
That is a direct quote from their Bible where God is speaking to them. So that is their way of thinking. Not saying I agree, but when this is how they are taught and what they believe, this is what their actions are gonna be based on.
JaseinOC said"Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin.... Do not defile upirselves in any of these ways, for these are the things the heathen do, and because they do them I am going to cast them out from the land into which you are going. That entire country is defiled with this kind of activity that is why I am punishing the people living there, and will throw them out of the land."
That is a direct quote from their Bible where God is speaking to them. So that is their way of thinking. Not saying I agree, but when this is how they are taught and what they believe, this is what their actions are gonna be based on.
Even that is subject to debate. The same bible passage can be translated ten different ways and give ten different meanings. Further, each translated passage has to be translated in temporal, cultural, and relative contexts. Pulling a passage out of Leviticus would also lead us to not associate with people who eat shellfish or wear clothes made of multiple fabrics; for they are equal abominations in that book.
But then there is that Jesus character who crumples up the old testament's laws and gives Christians different laws. This is, of course, inconvenient to Christians with a decidedly anti-gay and authoritarian agenda.
It might be subject to debate... but when they are being taught one way, there is no debate to them. Having been brought up in a super conservative church, I know that is how they are being taught and how they think... and how they voted.
As far as I know there is no New Testament issues on homosexuality... so since all they have is this, its what they know to be right.
So all I was trying to say... someone said they did something very non-christian like, and I was trying to say that what they did they feel is very Christian like and they will do it again and again.
Chizzad saidPretty much pointless, yall have fun with this, in the mean time there are very few gays out there working to gain their rights. Take care!
Try looking a little further than from a bedroom window in Charlotte.
Ditto. Hopefully in addition to all the glamour pics, we'll see some with him at rallies, knocking on doors, makings phone calls, etc.
Hopefully the layoffs at Focus on the Family means that this so-called company is headed for bankruptcy. It should go under for all the ignorance and intolerance that it has preached disguised as religion throughout our country. Probably this is an good time to move into Colorado Springs and convert it into a progressive, gay-friendly metropolis similar to both Denver and Boulder. Lets help Colorado Springs set itself free from the shackles of the lunatic christian right.
JaseinOC saidAs far as I know there is no New Testament issues on homosexuality... so since all they have is this, its what they know to be right.
So all I was trying to say... someone said they did something very non-christian like, and I was trying to say that what they did they feel is very Christian like and they will do it again and again.
Christ came to do away with the laws of old, hence the "new" testament. If Christ had nothing to say on it, then clearly it wasn't anything worth getting worked up about, unlike, oh, caring for the sick, needy, and destitute, things he addressed quite explicitly which seem to go unnoticed by all save for some nuns (though the Mormon sealed texts say Jesus gave the thumbs-up on fag love, so take from that what you will).
There is nothing Christ-like about what they have done. They have acted against something they don't understand, which in turn they fear, which itself becomes hate. The purpose of evangelizing is to bring others to Christ, not take him to them, especially against their will, and especially not when doing so causes so much obvious emotional agony and strife. Honestly, I think Christ would be pissed enough to bring about Ragnarok due to the mud they've dragged his name through.
JaseinOC said
CitizenSol saidDitto. Hopefully in addition to all the glamour pics, we'll see some with him at rallies, knocking on doors, makings phone calls, etc.
What good are the rallies and stuff even doing? I'd rather have more pics and videos from Chizzad. LOL ;-)
Ok, everyone, time to go home! The rallies and protests and whatnot haven't done anything immediately gratifying in the two weeks or so since the amendment was passed, so it's obviously a wasted effort. Party at my place! Bring your own poppers, meth is verboten, and help yourself to the bowl of rubbers by the door.
Christ came to do away with the laws of old, hence the "new" testament. If Christ had nothing to say on it, then clearly it wasn't anything worth getting worked up about There is nothing Christ-like about what they have done. They have acted against something they don't understand.
Well as far as I know he also said nothing in the New Testament about bestiality or having sex with your grandaughter... but yet I don't think we've done away with that Levitical law. So just because it isn't mentioned again doesn't mean its not worth getting worked up over. So Christian's understanding is homosexuality is wrong and immoral... and that is how they voted. I'm not defending them... but to say they are going against their religion and acting non-christian-like... I completely disagree.
Thank God, if there is one, for the downturn! Can't feel sorry for the people who are losing their jobs as they have supported this bigoted organization.
Focus on the Family and its branches is nothing but a web of demented organizations created to drag this country into a fascist ditch. Munchingzombie is correct. These guys are the KKK without the hoods. There's absolutely nothing admirable or remotely righteous about their efforts. What they are working for is sick and evil and on par to those who worked against civil rights for blacks and women.
I'm getting sick of all the Uncle Tom Queers who keep defending bigots.
My favorite story of how Focus On The Family is FOS dates back to the days of Ted Bundy, the serial killer. James Dobson had a widely publicized interview with Ted the night before his execution, wherein Ted stated that all of his problems were related to a pornography addiction. Dobson and his henchmen made heavy use of those remarks - but it never occurred to them that Bundy was a psychopath who was feeding them a line of bullsh*t!!! ROTFLMAO
JaseinOC said So Christian's understanding is homosexuality is wrong and immoral... and that is how they voted. I'm not defending them... but to say they are going against their religion and acting non-christian-like... I completely disagree.
I was raised Baptist, and while I started becoming disenchanted with it all in high school and pretty much quit attending in college, I still remember a lot from it. They are indeed going against their religion. What they're not doing is going against the cult-like selective interpretation of their religion.
They are acting without kindness and compassion (don't give me that "hate the sin, love the sinner" junk; it's a load of bullshit justification), they are not loving their neighbor as they would themselves, they are not remembering who gets to cast the first stone, they are not remembering and abiding by that Jesus fucking Christ himself said that "As you do unto the least of these, so do you unto me", meaning that in his eyes they have acted as if they would strip his rights away because he is less than them. These people have not been acting like Christians, they have been acting like Christianists.
You know the funny thing... as happy as you may be that there were people that lost their jobs there, from the people I know and what I have seen working in a similar Christian ministry, people will find another one. Its not like a typical business that goes out of business and they disappear. Being a religious group, if one ministry were to close down or remove some staff, there are plenty of other options for those people to go to where their work can continue.
JaseinOC saidYou know the funny thing... as happy as you may be that there were people that lost their jobs there, from the people I know and what I have seen working in a similar Christian ministry, people will find another one. Its not like a typical business that goes out of business and they disappear. Being a religious group, if one ministry were to close down or remove some staff, there are plenty of other options for those people to go to where their work can continue.
Whats the point?
Nazis simply became Skinheads. The KKK simply disintegrated and either dissolved into the republican party, created organizations like Focus on the Family, some got their own radio stations, others just held unto a less relevant KKK membership in Texas, Colorado, Idaho, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia and Florida. Some just made websites and others just became conspiracy theorist nutbags.
You seem to take equal glee in these people continuing their evil.
Its not that I take glee in it... but considering almost all of my long time friends and most of my family are good Christian people, I think they are good at heart and just misunderstood about homosexuality. Other than the misinformation they have about honosexuality I do support the work they do and hwo the defend their beliefs... I just wish they better understood us and that both sides could be a little more open and a little more understanding of each other. I think they are just as intolerant of homosexuals as we are of them.
JaseinOC saidIts not that I take glee in it... but considering almost all of my long time friends and most of my family are good Christian people, I think they are good at heart and just misunderstood about homosexuality. Other than the misinformation they have about honosexuality I do support the work they do and hwo the defend their beliefs... I just wish they better understood us and that both sides could be a little more open and a little more understanding of each other. I think they are just as intolerant of homosexuals as we are of them.
I see where you're coming from. I don't like all the anti-religion jerking going on because obviously it comes from a place of ignorance. But I believe people who'd want to deny people civil rights are on the wrong side. Period. Wrong is wrong. I know we don't have to be jerks about it...but if you voted to limit a person's civil rights when they've done nothing to deserve it, you're wrong. So as jerky as some of the guys on this board are being, they're still more in the right.
JaseinOC saidbut considering almost all of my long time friends and most of my family are good Christian people, I think they are good at heart and just misunderstood about homosexuality.
I've got a similar situation....except that they've taken the time and effort to understand homosexuality, question it, observe it, and generally think about it beyond what the pastor says is so. People who choose not to enlighten their own ignorance have only themselves to blame and have to deal with the fallout that may come from it.
Do they only have themselves to blame? Or could we do better educating them in a nice way rather than attacking them and making them dislike us more?
Just something to think about. I think both sides or so intollerant of each other that they can't see each others sides and can't understand each other.
That is why I am wondering if the protests really are helping. Years ago my church had a group of gay people protest our church on a Sunday morning when I was a kid... sometime in the early '90s. Still I hear them talk about the dress-wearing guys that caused such a scene back then. It didn't help gays to be more understood there... that's for sure.
Does anyone know the amount of money Focus on the Family donated to "Yes on Prop 8"? I have to wonder how the laid off people feel about spending that money on that instead of keeping them employed for another year.
1969er saidDoes anyone know the amount of money Focus on the Family donated to "Yes on Prop 8"? I have to wonder how the laid off people feel about spending that money on that instead of keeping them employed for another year.
Why, they will shout "Praise Jay-sus!" and walk proudly into the unemployment line. And continue to vote for Republicans with all their (impoverished) hearts.
JaseinOC saidDo they only have themselves to blame? Or could we do better educating them in a nice way rather than attacking them and making them dislike us more?
Just something to think about. I think both sides or so intollerant of each other that they can't see each others sides and can't understand each other.
That is why I am wondering if the protests really are helping. Years ago my church had a group of gay people protest our church on a Sunday morning when I was a kid... sometime in the early '90s. Still I hear them talk about the dress-wearing guys that caused such a scene back then. It didn't help gays to be more understood there... that's for sure.
Maybe its because I'm black but when you're "wondering if the protests really are helping"...I just grin.
And there you go! see now some of them will have more time to focus on their own families 
