Steve Wozniak: Microsoft resting on its laurels

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    Aug 27, 2013 1:27 AM GMT
    Windows is a great product and MS Office is too, but I really don't know how they would update these products much more.

    Apple's co-founder Steve Wozniak has said that rival Microsoft has been "resting on" the markets it built up a "long, long time ago".

    He added that Steve Ballmer's time as the chief executive was not as significant as that of Bill Gates.

    Mr Wozniak told the BBC that one of the key reasons for the success of Apple was that despite being a big firm, it had remained nimble and innovative.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23839181
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    Aug 27, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
    GoNYMets2012 saidWindows is a great product and MS Office is too, but I really don't know how they would update these products much more.

    Apple's co-founder Steve Wozniak has said that rival Microsoft has been "resting on" the markets it built up a "long, long time ago".

    He added that Steve Ballmer's time as the chief executive was not as significant as that of Bill Gates.

    Mr Wozniak told the BBC that one of the key reasons for the success of Apple was that despite being a big firm, it had remained nimble and innovative.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23839181


    Apple also nearly went under until it stumbled upon the iPod.

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    Aug 27, 2013 3:00 AM GMT
    Really, Woz talking about resting on one's laurels?
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    Aug 27, 2013 3:03 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidReally, Woz talking about resting one's laurels?


    One has to wonder which of the Woz's meds he forgot to take or took too much that day..... and any day he speaks aloud! icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 27, 2013 3:30 AM GMT
    BillandChuck said
    Alpha13 saidReally, Woz talking about resting one's laurels?

    One has to wonder which of the Woz's meds he forgot to take or took too much that day..... and any day he speaks aloud! icon_lol.gif

    Just celebrate what he's done. He's only offering his opinion, which was quite fair and objective. Why tear people down… ??
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    Aug 27, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidReally, Woz talking about resting on one's laurels?


    he is right tho
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    Aug 27, 2013 4:07 AM GMT
    TerraFirma said
    BillandChuck said
    Alpha13 saidReally, Woz talking about resting one's laurels?

    One has to wonder which of the Woz's meds he forgot to take or took too much that day..... and any day he speaks aloud! icon_lol.gif

    Just celebrate what he's done. He's only offering his opinion, which was quite fair and objective. Why tear people down… ??


    If you'd met him and know him (as we have and do), you'd know he's crazy as a loon since his head injury from his airplane accident. He was, before the accident, brilliant and eccentric. Since the crash he's just eccentric squared. He and Steve Jobs remained friends, and he remained an employee of sorts of Apple for six years after the crash. But.... he's been crazy Uncle Woz ever since that head injury.
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    Aug 27, 2013 5:32 AM GMT
    Jobs is dead and Gates is out saving the world. Both Apple and Microsoft are in limbo right now. I'd say both companies are resting on their respective laurels.

    Google is the main innovator these days.
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    Aug 27, 2013 6:06 AM GMT
    xrichx saidJobs is dead and Gates is out saving the world. Both Apple and Microsoft are in limbo right now. I'd say both companies are resting on their respective laurels.

    Google is the main innovator these days.


    Srsly? icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57600156-93/googles-schmidt-calls-out-oracle-chief-over-android/

    Microsoft has made more than its share of mis-steps, part of me wonders if Antitrust lawsuits were a factor more than a decade ago.

    Someone has to think up a product I don't already have (and would feel comfortable wearing in public)
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    Aug 27, 2013 10:13 AM GMT
    so says the guy who just changes the thickness of a phone or makes the screen .25 inches larger etc over and over and over again....... and calls it " the new generation" LMAO
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    Aug 27, 2013 10:26 AM GMT
    I have been greatly dissatisfied with Widows product quality, and while Apple product quality is noticeably better, it is far from 'good value for money.' AS far as i'm concerned, they are all a bunch of cunts.
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    lookinforcars101 saidso says the guy who just changes the thickness of a phone or makes the screen .25 inches larger etc over and over and over again....... and calls it " the new generation" LMAO


    You do understand that Woz isn't with Apple anymore, right?

    This is also what all smartphone makers do. Increase the hardware by babysteps often, tweak the OS a smidge, put a few new software features in, and BOOM... $700 gadget that gets replaced in about a year.
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    Aug 27, 2013 1:21 PM GMT
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    Apple also nearly went under until it stumbled upon the iPod.

    Steve Jobs: "Hey, what's this thing I've stumbled over on the sidewalk? Why, it's a solid-state music player that somebody dropped! What a neat idea! I think I'll take this thing back to Cupertino and start making them!"

    And Jobs named it iPod, because he already had the highly successful iMac in production. That was making lots of money for Apple, following Jobs' return after a board coup had thrown him out a decade earlier.
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    Aug 27, 2013 1:23 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd saidI have been greatly dissatisfied with Widows product quality, and while Apple product quality is noticeably better, it is far from 'good value for money.' AS far as i'm concerned, they are all a bunch of cunts.
    If you're up for it, try Ubuntu or Linux Mint.
  • Plazma1

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    Aug 27, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    Woz isn't an Apple loyalist. He's said some pretty good things about Windows Phone and the metro interface recently. Always good to hear his critiques - he seems grounded.
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    Aug 27, 2013 2:04 PM GMT
    AstroGeek said
    FitGwynedd saidI have been greatly dissatisfied with Widows product quality, and while Apple product quality is noticeably better, it is far from 'good value for money.' AS far as i'm concerned, they are all a bunch of cunts.
    If you're up for it, try Ubuntu or Linux Mint.


    I can't work that stuff.
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    Aug 27, 2013 7:23 PM GMT
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    xrichx saidJobs is dead and Gates is out saving the world. Both Apple and Microsoft are in limbo right now. I'd say both companies are resting on their respective laurels.

    Google is the main innovator these days.


    Srsly? icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57600156-93/googles-schmidt-calls-out-oracle-chief-over-android/

    Microsoft has made more than its share of mis-steps, part of me wonders if Antitrust lawsuits were a factor more than a decade ago.

    Someone has to think up a product I don't already have (and would feel comfortable wearing in public)
    Lol. There's more to Google than search and Android.
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    Aug 27, 2013 7:25 PM GMT
    AstroGeek said
    FitGwynedd saidI have been greatly dissatisfied with Widows product quality, and while Apple product quality is noticeably better, it is far from 'good value for money.' AS far as i'm concerned, they are all a bunch of cunts.
    If you're up for it, try Ubuntu or Linux Mint.
    As much as I like Linux, it's never gonna be ready for the mainstream. Also, the lack of software is the deal killer for most people.
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    Aug 27, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
    xrichx said
    AstroGeek said
    FitGwynedd saidI have been greatly dissatisfied with Widows product quality, and while Apple product quality is noticeably better, it is far from 'good value for money.' AS far as i'm concerned, they are all a bunch of cunts.
    If you're up for it, try Ubuntu or Linux Mint.
    As much as I like Linux, it's never gonna be ready for the mainstream. Also, the lack of software is the deal killer for most people.

    I don't think it really tries to be mainstream. Like most open-source software, the people developing are generally trying to make a product that they'd want to use. However, developers have different tastes in software than your average user. That said, once Ubuntu or Mint are installed, even someone who isn't that good with computers can use them fairly easily. And for the most part I haven't had any trouble with lack of software (the exception being games).

    http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
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    Aug 27, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    This is rich, since Apple's core business is simply re-packaging & marketing existing technologies supplemented by the sale of $1000+ Facebook/iTunes machines (MacBooks).
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    Aug 27, 2013 8:10 PM GMT
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    desertmuscl said
    Apple also nearly went under until it stumbled upon the iPod.

    Steve Jobs: "Hey, what's this thing I've stumbled over on the sidewalk? Why, it's a solid-state music player that somebody dropped! What a neat idea! I think I'll take this thing back to Cupertino and start making them!"

    And Jobs named it iPod, because he already had the highly successful iMac in production. That was making lots of money for Apple, following Jobs' return after a board coup had thrown him out a decade earlier.
    You guys both have it wrong. The company was saved from insolvency by sales of the redesigned iMac. The iPod was one of several dozen product ideas Apple R&D staff had been working on prior to Job's return.
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    Aug 27, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    Amelorn saidThis is rich, since Apple's core business is simply re-packaging & marketing existing technologies supplemented by the sale of $1000+ Facebook/iTunes machines (MacBooks).


    LolWhut?

    Does Google bother with anything that won't increase their advertising revenues?

    For consumer electronic products, I don't know of any major product that isn't the repackaging of existing ideas in new ways, adding their own innovation.

    The key is Apple is doing the repackaging and maintaining control over both hardware and software, instead of buying Android code from Google, who would rather give it to their own Motorola division.

    Using profits from one division to fund profitable ventures in new areas of business is what investors expect all companies to do.


    Back to the discussion: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/27/ballmer_time_to_go/

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    Aug 27, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    I wish both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were still around. Both companies are shadows of their former selves.
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    Aug 27, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    I certainly disagree with Woz, if there is one company resting right now, its Apple. Even the Board of Directors are worrying about the pace of innovation.

    Right now, Microsoft has been innovating:

    Windows 8 - you have to give the company props, its a bold move and really moves the Windows platform forward although some might says its a bit disruptive. When you look at the fact that Microsoft has managed to bring the Windows kernel to the traditional desktop x86 PC, in addition ARM based architecture, smartphone devices that's a lot of work.

    Windows 8 is also a more bold step than the traditional idea of a Smart Phone UI, in stead of the boring grid of Apps, they took a different approach with Live Tiles. Even Apple had to give credit in court saying Microsoft didn't copy but Samsung did.

    Microsoft understands the Cloud, something Apple still doesn't get.

    They have accepted they are a device and services company. That's a bold undertaking. Services like Windows Azure is really competing with amazon web services and VMware and if you were to look at traditional products that were once inflexible in terms of licensing. Office 365 for instance allows up to 5 installations whether Windows or Mac.

    So they are not only innovating but adding more value.
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    Aug 27, 2013 8:21 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidI wish both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were still around. Both companies are shadows of their former selves.


    That is what happens with mature companies that are nearly 40 years old. It will happen to Google, Facebook and many other start ups one day.

    Some would call Microsoft the new IBM, but IBM is very profitable, so it wouldn't be such a bad thing.