We should stay out of Syria

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    Aug 29, 2013 3:37 PM GMT
    Just my opinion.
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    I disagree. Once there is a consensus for action between the US, Britain and France, there should be limited strikes on Syria's command and control centres and perhaps on military airfields and missile sites. Assad should be left in no doubt that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated.

    Incidentally, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. I was predicting this course of action two months ago.
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  • musclmed

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    Aug 29, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    At this point although I agree with you there seems to be equal peril now from every option in my opinion.

    We got here from the past 2 years of decisions.

    An interesting turn of events there seems to be less media opposition to action.
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    Aug 29, 2013 9:42 PM GMT
    At this point I dont think us staying out of it is going to happen. I just hope that Russia does not decide to help out Syria.
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    Aug 29, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
    Overall we are in the worst situation imaginable. We have a weakened President in the area of foreign policy. A conflict with humanitarian ramifications near Israel. In addition Al Queda sprinkled on the top.

    If Obama stays out now. And in 2 or 3 months Israel is attacked. What do we do then?

    The whole region is already at risk for a humanitarian problem because of the Arab spring and decreased funds going in.

    Its bad bad bad. The only thing i can see that could work would be replacing Asad with a bodysnatcher double.
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    Aug 30, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI disagree. Once there is a consensus for action between the US, Britain and France, there should be limited strikes on Syria's command and control centres and perhaps on military airfields and missile sites. Assad should be left in no doubt that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated.

    Incidentally, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. I was predicting this course of action two months ago.
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    too late, no consensus, not even Israel

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    Aug 30, 2013 3:31 PM GMT
    Good Morning Friends, and Fellow RED BLOOD AMERICANS... I realize it only 5 years since Obama took office.. BUT WHEN HE FIRST TOOK OFFICE HE RETURNED A BUST OF WINSTON CHURCHILL TO GREAT BRITAIN... ONE OF GREAT BRITAIN.. LOVED AND GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIME.. SNUBBING ONE OF OUR OLDEST AND CLOSEST ALLEY... SO YESTERDAY GREAT BRITAIN.. TOLD OBAMA GO SCREW YOURSELF.. NOT GONNA HELP HIM SAVE FACE.. HAAA...HAAA.. OBAMA is a fool!

    no one will support our strike. It is illegal to attack any nation in the world without at least a small collation of nations in support.

    It is crazy, Obama won the Nobel peace prize now he is going to attack another country?

    Also evidence is coming out that shows the Muslim Brotherhood and the Rebels used Senin Gas and chemical weapons, NOT the Syrian Government. Why is Obama supporting the Muslim Brotherhood? They hate us, they also hate gay people and kill them on site!

    CHEMICAL WEAPONS: US Armed FSA Syrian Rebels Use SARIN NERVE GAS!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A084WHzJ4Y

    UN has testimony showing Syrian rebels used sarin gas
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCzSMYXkmec
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    Aug 30, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
    Britain is not with us. Most of the American public is against this. Nobody who hates us now over there is suddenly going to change their mind if we shoot a few missiles over there once again. This is insane.

    It's the Syrian's problem or if you prefer to look at the region, then it's an Arab / Middle East problem - let THEM figure out what to do about it. Wouldn't it be nice if some of the other Arab nations would team up with Israel and they would work TOGETHER to solve one of the problems in THEIR REGION?
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    Aug 30, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Some people appear to be conveniently forgetting that much of the current opposition to US and British military involvement in the Syrian crisis stems from Bush and Blair's flawed justification for war in Iraq. Once bitten, twice shy.
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    Aug 30, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
    HereAndThere saidBritain is not with us. Most of the American public is against this. Nobody who hates us now over there is suddenly going to change their mind if we shoot a few missiles over there once again. This is insane.

    It's the Syrian's problem or if you prefer to look at the region, then it's an Arab / Middle East problem - let THEM figure out what to do about it. Wouldn't it be nice if some of the other Arab nations would team up with Israel and they would work TOGETHER to solve one of the problems in THEIR REGION?


    Seems that weapons were used but there is also evidence that the opposition used it on a smaller scale. Outside of being a thug, Assad doesn't have the long list that Hussein has in invading a country and violating a cease fire agreement. Technically Iraq was in violation in 2003 of the cease fire agreement, a war started in the 90's with international support.

    As the days go by it becomes harder to claim that it was something that couldn't wait for congress to give approval for.

  • Lincsbear

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    Aug 31, 2013 12:10 AM GMT
    It`s a very difficult situation, but staying out may be the least worst option.

    I can`t see how dropping a couple of hundred US cruise missiles on Syrian government/military bases will improve the situation, other than making western governments feel better now they`ve been seen to do something, anything, against a regime they disapprove of.

    Syria`s in the midst of a very nasty civil war, with both sides committing atrocities against the other. The so called 'rebels' are a very dodgy bunch, factional, and hating each other nearly as much as they hate the Assad government itself; pro-western secularist democrats, but also militant Islamicists, and al-Quaeda sympathesisers. If it`s proved they have used chemical weapons will the US have to punish them, too?

    The vote in the House of Commons also reflects the fact that Cameron and his government are ones of limited authority, divorced from the country and even his own party. British public opinion has finally been expressed in our parliament!

    Any military strike by the US on Syria, however one off and punitive from a western viewpoint, will not be seen as so there or in the wider Middle East. It will be seen as siding with the rebels against Assad, and the first step in a western campaign of regime change.

    It is likely to exacerbate anti-western views there, and further afield like highly unstable Pakistan.
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    Aug 31, 2013 12:16 AM GMT
    Lincsbear saidIt`s a very difficult situation, but staying out may be the least worst option.

    I can`t see how dropping a couple of hundred US cruise missiles on Syrian government/military bases will improve the situation, other than making western governments feel better now they`ve been seen to do something, anything, against a regime they disapprove of.

    Syria`s in the midst of a very nasty civil war, with both sides committing atrocities against the other. The so called 'rebels' are a very dodgy bunch, factional, and hating each other nearly as much as they hate the Assad government itself; pro-western secularist democrats, but also militant Islamicists, and al-Quaeda sympathesisers. If it`s proved they have used chemical weapons will the US have to punish them, too?

    The vote in the House of Commons also reflects the fact that Cameron and his government are ones of limited authority, divorced from the country and even his own party. British public opinion has finally been expressed in our parliament!

    Any military strike by the US on Syria, however one off and punitive from a western viewpoint, will not be seen as so there or in the wider Middle East. It will be seen as siding with the rebels against Assad, and the first step in a western campaign of regime change.

    It is likely to exacerbate anti-western views there, and further afield like highly unstable Pakistan.


    All very good points. Our President better do a pretty darn good job presenting how this is in the USA's interests, short term, medium term and long term.
  • Suetonius

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    Aug 31, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    Yes "we" should stay out of Syria - No need to invade. The USA should just lob a few missiles in that direction and take out Mr. Assad once and for all. The Syrians can then go back to killing each other with conventional weapons.
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    Aug 31, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    Syria has been a powder keg for many years. Like most Middle Eastern nations, the borders were drawn by European powers at the close of WW1 and did not take into consideration religious or ethnic disputes. What you ended up with was one group ruling over another. Sectarian violence in Iraq was a prime example. With Saddam gone, it left an huge power vacuum.

    There are no viable options when it comes to Syria. Cruise missile strikes will do little to hurt Assad, and will have a negligible impact on the outcome of the civil war. What's happening in Syria is likely to continue for a long time until the two sides either reach a peace agreement or become too exhausted to continue.
  • Laurence

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    Aug 31, 2013 5:45 PM GMT
    Agree with Lincsbear.

    Although the atrocities in Syria are terrible it's hard to see what can be gained from entering yet more conflict (is Assad the type to go 'shucks sorry guys, I won't do it again' or 'F*ck you, I run this country, keep your noses out'?).

    Most Uk citizens are sick of us entering/initiating war situations and currently have no appetite for these proposed actions.

    However, if this thing escalates I'm sure we'll be sending our troops to die alongside the US (and France).

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  • jock_1

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    Sep 01, 2013 12:50 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, with the United States being the only super power left, we have to be concerned with Syria because the whole Middle East is a house of cards.....you take away the wrong card and the whole house falls down! If that happens its trouble for the whole world. Some events the U.S. can stay away from, but I am afraid that genicide is not one of them.
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    Sep 01, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidUnfortunately, with the United States being the only super power left, we have to be concerned with Syria because the whole Middle East is a house of cards.....you take away the wrong card and the whole house falls down! If that happens its trouble for the whole world. Some events the U.S. can stay away from, but I am afraid that genocide is not one of them.


    That's very thoughtful. I'm sure that Rwanda is still on people's minds when we think about the consequence of not intervening.
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    Sep 01, 2013 2:07 PM GMT
    face the fact -

    Assad is an enemy of the enemy , u be good to him & he'll be your brother ,
    as a neighbor , I have seen Christians & catholics running out of my nation during invasion period , they ( Sunni ) were killing us , most ran to syria & now they're back after same happening there


    America creates terrorists ,first taliban ,then al qaaeda & brotherhood.
    if ya google " rebels beheading christians in syria " you'd know why I back Assad

    these mothafucka jihadis are killing christians ,shias & moderate shias , Assad actually supports them

    I hate america coz it destroyed our iraq , 2 million christians reduced to some 500,000 here , I can imagine what syrians are going thru


    america is a slave to saudi & to please the elite sunnis of mid-east , US is again terrorising
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    Sep 01, 2013 2:17 PM GMT
    I'm Pro-assad & always will be , america defaced ,plz don't assume me anti american by america I mean your government & not your innocent people


    jihadis will evacuate shia islam as they're liberals , then Christians , & make it they're mecca,

    plz have some mercy , christians keep dancing from iraq to jordan to syria to turkey to lebanon to iran ,,,,,isn't that something that should be a concern for america , were reduced to 6% from some 25% & were facing extinction from where it origined

    obama is a sunni as reknowned ... in a role of humanity the savage rebels will do exactly what they're doing in iraq still - beheading , chopping , bombing ,anything

    now I know where terror comes from - United states of Saudi-America ( USoSA)


    my best wishes to assad fuck these rebels out
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    Sep 01, 2013 2:28 PM GMT
    do you know why america is always hated ? in big financial loss & million of people in US living below poverty line ?


    coz , US always uses your hard earned money driven taxes on fighting EVERYONE while millions are hungry , jobless there

    why does it fund the same rebels ( now in syria ) who beheaded nick berg , daniel pearl & so many INNOCENT americans though they're still gonna hate america ?
    why ???????

    didn't you google what these rebels did - beheading shias , greek orthodox , christians , yazidis , druze all

    infact 89% killing in civil war are by them & not Assad
    even the chemical attack

    I hate obama , he's a terrorist in real

    its time to kick terror of these sunnis , who killed ,hacked & disturbed us in iraq , lebanon ,jordan,egypt, saudi , yemen ,

    stopd america doing wrong with your Money , yes its ur tax !
    instead focus on using that money in developing ur own nation

    plus if rebels win , homo sexuality will be punishable to death as its pure wahabbi sunni islam ,

    think of it
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    Sep 13, 2013 2:24 AM GMT
    Zeriel saiddo you know why america is always hated ? in big financial loss & million of people in US living below poverty line ?


    coz , US always uses your hard earned money driven taxes on fighting EVERYONE while millions are hungry , jobless there

    why does it fund the same rebels ( now in syria ) who beheaded nick berg , daniel pearl & so many INNOCENT americans though they're still gonna hate america ?
    why ???????

    didn't you google what these rebels did - beheading shias , greek orthodox , christians , yazidis , druze all

    infact 89% killing in civil war are by them & not Assad
    even the chemical attack

    I hate obama , he's a terrorist in real

    its time to kick terror of these sunnis , who killed ,hacked & disturbed us in iraq , lebanon ,jordan,egypt, saudi , yemen ,

    stopd america doing wrong with your Money , yes its ur tax !
    instead focus on using that money in developing ur own nation

    plus if rebels win , homo sexuality will be punishable to death as its pure wahabbi sunni islam ,

    think of it


    So true, I hope Obama will NOT attack Syria. It will only make things worse. An attack on Syria will help Al-quada and other terroist groups fighting with the rebels.