Is $15/hour a bit high for Fast-food workers?

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    Aug 29, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    There's a wave of strikes going on today across the country with the goal to raise fast-food worker wages to $15 per hour. I'm all for increasing wages, but I'm thinking they may be reaching a bit too high. A lot of our skilled, degreed workforce only makes $12-$18 an hour.

    What do you think would be a reasonable?

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/29/news/fast-food-strikes/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:26 PM GMT
    McDonald's could raise the price of the Big Mac 59 cents and double their employees' wages and they'd lose zero profit, assuming the same amount of sandwiches were sold.

    I see nothing wrong with $15 an hour.
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
    nope
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
    MCB17 saidMcDonald's could raise the price of the Big Mac 59 cents and double their employees' wages and they'd lose zero profit, assuming the same amount of sandwiches were sold.

    I see nothing wrong with $15 an hour.


    Big macs are already way too expensive. That would put it close to $4. When fast-food prices approach Applebees lunch-hour specials, well.

    I'm thinking $12 from the current $8 average may be more doable. Not every job is expected to cover full living expenses.
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    Maybe the dirt bags at Apple can bring in 100,000 workers from China and pay them $4 an hour (rhetorical)
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    Cost of living makes it reasonable, with rent, utilities and food, an average person needs over 2k a month to survive on. $15 an hour would add up to about $2400 a month if you assume 8 hour, 5 day work weeks and that amount would still be tight for some workers, especially if they have dependents.
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    It is not only $15 per hour that is reasonable, but protection against arbitrary management practises and benefits like dental benefits and medication coverage; maximum hours of work per week; protection against arbitrary schedule changes. These are all the benefits of unionization.
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    Aug 29, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    Sure. They work hard for that moneyicon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:07 PM GMT
    Min wage should be $16 per hour if it kept up with inflation.
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    i think $15/hour is too much to sit there and flip burgers, put fries in a deep frier and provide generally shitty customer service to everyone that walks in the door. We get it....u hate ur job. I hate it too...trust me, I hate going to fast-food chains. I avoid them like the plague. Maybe go to one once a year, if that. I generally dont care what fast-food workers get paid. The whole fast-food industry could tank for all I care....

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
    A living wage isn't what Big Corporations want. People are starving in China and Korea, keep em hungry and the labor cheap. That is the evolution I see for the US eventually. Thanks to Republicans, Unions have lost their strength, Wages are sliding. Poverty is higher.
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    Democrats have also done their share of fucking things up . . there is no reasonable moderation anymore - just pedantic bickering assholes all around on the take by whomever
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    Import saidi think $15/hour is too much to sit there and flip burgers, put fries in a deep frier and provide generally shitty customer service to everyone that walks in the door. We get it....u hate ur job. I hate it too...trust me, I hate going to fast-food chains. I avoid them like the plague. Maybe go to one once a year, if that. I generally dont care what fast-food workers get paid. The whole fast-food industry could tank for all I care....



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    Aug 29, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    I propose we we replace the workers with robots. . . robotic arms to flip burgers, assembly lines to put meals together, etc. let's be honest here people. ... these fast food giants- if they were forced to pay ppl $15/hour...they would hire fewer workers and would prob automate most things, avoiding the need to hire those fast-food workers altogether...

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:22 PM GMT
    Across the board? No.
    Would be nice as a manager to give raises to deserving people; however, to such amounts and more.
    --Could have kept me in qualified staff of hard workers.
  • MadeinMich

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
    gta5iscomingin18days saidyes, it is BUT to be real with you, the system is fucked up and i wouldn't be surprised if this country ended up going under as it's already happening. you know things are messed up when big businesses have THAT much power where they literally are bleeding the nation out of money and the people that support it are starving. they are literally responsible for this country going to shit. how does it look when you go to college, get a degree in a field where there's SUPPOSED to be jobs BUT you can't even get hired because these greedy employer fucks don't want to employ anybody or are playing games? so what choices do you have? you gotta end up getting a job at walmart, burger king or any of these fucking slave wage jobs just to eat because these employers are saying fuck you and your college degree. that's how bad it is. most of these employers will tell you to work hard, go to school, get a degree, do whatever and you'll get a job yet the job market is SO bad that everyone is competing for the same shit. that's the problem. you got the degree and the next thing you know they're like "you don't have ENOUGH job experience". fuck these employers, straight up.


    +1

    I go back to school to get started in a new career and the "entry" level positions require 3 years experience. WTF?
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    and they want to continue immigration and legitimize illegals - fuck that shit
  • PIccadilly

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:32 PM GMT
    Why should I care what (private) fast-food workers get paid? It's only coming out of my pocket if I buy the BS they sell, which I never do.
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:32 PM GMT
    MadeinMich said
    gta5iscomingin18days saidyes, it is BUT to be real with you, the system is fucked up and i wouldn't be surprised if this country ended up going under as it's already happening. you know things are messed up when big businesses have THAT much power where they literally are bleeding the nation out of money and the people that support it are starving. they are literally responsible for this country going to shit. how does it look when you go to college, get a degree in a field where there's SUPPOSED to be jobs BUT you can't even get hired because these greedy employer fucks don't want to employ anybody or are playing games? so what choices do you have? you gotta end up getting a job at walmart, burger king or any of these fucking slave wage jobs just to eat because these employers are saying fuck you and your college degree. that's how bad it is. most of these employers will tell you to work hard, go to school, get a degree, do whatever and you'll get a job yet the job market is SO bad that everyone is competing for the same shit. that's the problem. you got the degree and the next thing you know they're like "you don't have ENOUGH job experience". fuck these employers, straight up.


    +1

    I go back to school to get started in a new career and the "entry" level positions require 3 years experience. WTF?


    hahas sad but true
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:40 PM GMT
    gta5iscomingin18days saidyes, it is BUT to be real with you, the system is fucked up and i wouldn't be surprised if this country ended up going under as it's already happening.


    ^^^ This basically sums up my opinion. ^^^
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
    tmac said
    MadeinMich said
    gta5iscomingin18days saidyes, it is BUT to be real with you, the system is fucked up and i wouldn't be surprised if this country ended up going under as it's already happening. you know things are messed up when big businesses have THAT much power where they literally are bleeding the nation out of money and the people that support it are starving. they are literally responsible for this country going to shit. how does it look when you go to college, get a degree in a field where there's SUPPOSED to be jobs BUT you can't even get hired because these greedy employer fucks don't want to employ anybody or are playing games? so what choices do you have? you gotta end up getting a job at walmart, burger king or any of these fucking slave wage jobs just to eat because these employers are saying fuck you and your college degree. that's how bad it is. most of these employers will tell you to work hard, go to school, get a degree, do whatever and you'll get a job yet the job market is SO bad that everyone is competing for the same shit. that's the problem. you got the degree and the next thing you know they're like "you don't have ENOUGH job experience". fuck these employers, straight up.


    +1

    I go back to school to get started in a new career and the "entry" level positions require 3 years experience. WTF?


    hahas sad but true


    It's beyond fucked up when people want you to have 3-5 * years * of "working" experience, however no one is willing to even hire you to get that required experience. Internships are essentially useless nowadays. Getting coffee and running around an office because your 'work-for-free' employer is not willing to give you any SUBSTANTIVE work experience is a waste of time and energy. In the next few years, the USA labor pool, as far as quality goes, will show hardcore evidence of this inherent duplicity.
  • SkyMiles

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:50 PM GMT
    There are some real beneficial concepts behind raising the minimum wage and having it keep pace with inflation. And it's not exactly unreasonable for corporations that clear billions in profit to reward the people, their workers, who are in large part responsible for generating those profits.
  • MadeinMich

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    BIG_N_TALL said
    tmac said
    MadeinMich said
    gta5iscomingin18days saidyes, it is BUT to be real with you, the system is fucked up and i wouldn't be surprised if this country ended up going under as it's already happening. you know things are messed up when big businesses have THAT much power where they literally are bleeding the nation out of money and the people that support it are starving. they are literally responsible for this country going to shit. how does it look when you go to college, get a degree in a field where there's SUPPOSED to be jobs BUT you can't even get hired because these greedy employer fucks don't want to employ anybody or are playing games? so what choices do you have? you gotta end up getting a job at walmart, burger king or any of these fucking slave wage jobs just to eat because these employers are saying fuck you and your college degree. that's how bad it is. most of these employers will tell you to work hard, go to school, get a degree, do whatever and you'll get a job yet the job market is SO bad that everyone is competing for the same shit. that's the problem. you got the degree and the next thing you know they're like "you don't have ENOUGH job experience". fuck these employers, straight up.


    +1

    I go back to school to get started in a new career and the "entry" level positions require 3 years experience. WTF?


    hahas sad but true


    It's beyond fucked up when people want you to have 3-5 of "working" experience, however no one is willing to even hire you to get that required experience. Internships are essentially useless nowadays. Getting coffee and running around an office because your 'work-for-free' employer is not willing to give you any SUBSTANTIVE work experience is a waste of time and energy. In the next few years, the USA labor pool, as far as quality goes, will show hardcore evidence of this inherent duplicity.


    Exactly. Education is fastly become a one way ticket to a dead end life. I can't even affor additional education because I'm still paying of the loans from my previous education.

    And if you look at the people who are thriving most of them are geniuses or savonts that never completed college. Yet we're told you have to go to college to acheive the american dream. Complete and utter bullshit.
  • iuguy5

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    Aug 29, 2013 6:54 PM GMT
    I think raising the minimum wage has good and bad sides to it. In the long run, it doesn't make an meaningful difference as prices will eventually rise in response. In the short term it would help a lot of people who already work in low-earning positions (myself included), but I expect it would be a short-lived windfall. It is very likely to increase the unemployment. Companies will expect more from workers who make a decent wage than from those who don't. Also moving from very low wages to a so-called "livable" wage also would mean that a lot of people would likely lose government assistance like low-income housing, food stamps, tax "refunds," and many other welfare type benefits. So I think if people start looking into how it might specifically affect their circumstances, it might not make much of a difference. (An example for where I live is that making 9 or 10 bucks an hour would qualify you for at least a couple hundred dollars of food-assistance per month, but not if your wages were 15.) This is just one "benefit" and many other have similar wage level cutoffs so I wouldn't expect an increase like this to really help many people in terms of their actual material standard of living. Yes, they would no longer be semi-dependent on the government, which is a positive thing, but either way the costs are simply being transferred from the tax payer (ie to pay for government assistance programs) to the consumer. People with the new wage would have higher taxes and less government assistance, not to mention likely a harder time finding a job, so overall I am far from convinced that it would help that many people substantially.

    I would also add that McDonald's is a poor and VERY unrepresentative example. Don't forget that the minimum wage laws affect all employers, not just massive multi-national companies like McDonalds, where arguments can be made that profits would be minimally impacted. There are many more companies and industries where the increased wages would be catastrophic for them. A company with 50 employees getting a few dollars more an hour could easily see their wage costs increase by a half-million dollars per year. That is a big problem.
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    Aug 29, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
    Revisiting: How Germany Builds Twice as Many Cars as the U.S. While Paying Its Workers Twice as Much

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2012/05/06/revisiting-how-germany-builds-twice-as-many-cars-as-the-u-s-while-paying-its-workers-twice-as-much/

    Even in Germany they are being affected. They've been know to do some very creative bookkeeping lately!