HILLARY AS OBAMA'S SECRETARY OF STATE?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 18, 2008 9:13 PM GMT
    Of course I think it is an outstanding idea and it appears that Obama is really considering this... according to news reports over the last few days. Many countries view the Clinton presidency in a very favorable light... and Hillary could be very effective for Obama. I just hope it comes to pass!

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    Nov 18, 2008 10:16 PM GMT
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    I'd call it a planned offer. She knew she couldn't win in the primaries. And being his running mate might not work. Better to use Biden and his experience for Obama so Hillary can run in 2016 with her administration job on the resume.
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    Nov 18, 2008 10:21 PM GMT
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    I didn't state it as "news", its been tossed around the media for days. I'm commenting on the idea.
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    Nov 18, 2008 10:36 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidOf course I think it is an outstanding idea and it appears that Obama is really considering this... according to news reports over the last few days. Many countries view the Clinton presidency in a very favorable light... and Hillary could be very effective for Obama. I just hope it comes to pass!

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    I'll be firmly in the minority here.

    She's an unusually aggressive opportunist who gets herself into situations over her head time and time again. Then she gets to portray herself as the "fighter" and the "underdog" as a result of her initial ineptitude. I really wish she'd go back to the private sector, where she could probably be more influential, a la Al Gore. But I see her as old-school politics and increasingly looking like a dinosaur. It would be a drag on an Obama administration. The world may love Bill Clinton, but he's not available. Plus, the world may also be realizing that in an Obama administration, "even better" is actually possible, and that Hillary might be actually as remarkably mediocre as she seems.

    The only silver lining I see is that she'd be out of the senate, opening another seat for some fresh ideas.
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    Nov 18, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    i've heard she'd decline, regardless. though rugger makes an interesting point...
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    Nov 18, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    I think I'd prefer to keep her as my senator.

    I don't see it as a perfect fit, though some do. I do not want to see John Kerry there, and Richardson ... meh.

    Bill's foundation is possibly the sticking point right now - BHO team, one assumes, decided they could tolerate it under certain terms. Hill and bill? Maybe not.

  • GQjock

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    Nov 18, 2008 11:07 PM GMT
    Obama is packing a Stellar "get the work done" cabinet
    Rahm Emanuel is a pit bull ... you give him a task and he'll get it done come hell or high water
    Hillary as Sec of State? Are you kidding ?
    She has the name and the know how to work with all the heads of State
    She's known them before when she was first Lady
    Take a look at this Times Article
    It's take no prisoner politics
    Obama is hitting the ground running

    White House Memo
    Obama Team Anything but Shy and Retiring

    By HELENE COOPER
    Published: November 17, 2008
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/us/politics/18memo.html?_r=1
    “Barack Obama is bringing in all of the pit bulls and attack dogs and spear hunters into his administration,” said Steve Clemons, a fellow at the New America Foundation
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    Nov 18, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    She better be careful. A big job like this might put her at risk from sniper fire.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 18, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    Hillary as secretary of state, I have mixed emotions about that idea. Personally I woudn't hire her for dog catcher but it would be a golden opportunity to get rid of her opportunist ass and get someone in the US Senate that has New York's interests ahead of his/her own long term political goals. Someone that will do a lot for the people of New York and understand our state's serious problems especially our grave financial problems. All Hillary has done for New York is let her jaws flap in the breeze making a lot of phony promises and letting out a lot of hot air. Yes New York definately needs a new senator.
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    Nov 18, 2008 11:19 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidHillary as secretary of state, I have mixed emotions about that idea. Personally I woudn't hire her for dog catcher but it would be a golden opportunity to get rid of her opportunist ass and get someone in the US Senate that has New York's interests ahead of his/her own long term political goals. Someone that will do a lot for the people of New York and understand our state's serious problems especially our grave financial problems. All Hillary has done for New York is let her jaws flap in the breeze making a lot of phony promises and letting out a lot of hot air. Yes New York definately needs a new senator.


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    Nov 18, 2008 11:24 PM GMT
    This will be an excellent choice. Of course, I haven't time to read the posts above, I am sure there will be the usual share of irrational "Clinton" haters who will be upset. As I have said in other Forum threads, I've seen this sputtering (without any intellectual backing...no reasoned arguments, usually spouting some gloop about morality, and her husband, yada yada yada) when I am in the part of Kansas and north-central Oklahoma known as Tim McVeigh land....(with all due respeccts to the OP....it's not all Kansans and not all areas of Kansas...I love Wichita).

    However, these people have been removed from consideration by Obama's election. Thank God Almighty, these people have been removed from controlling our country. It's why the Obama victory, and his intelligent behavior (including the incredibly good choices he is making) really mitigates the Yes on 8 and other gay marriage losses across the country. In the long run, this is much more important to gay people....and, sorry for the tangent, the Prop 8 victory has actually galvanized the country.

    But Hilary Clinton does have baggage. I still think she would be a wonderful choice.


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    Nov 18, 2008 11:28 PM GMT
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    jprichva said
    roadbikeRob saidHillary as secretary of state, I have mixed emotions about that idea. Personally I woudn't hire her for dog catcher but it would be a golden opportunity to get rid of her opportunist ass and get someone in the US Senate that has New York's interests ahead of his/her own long term political goals. Someone that will do a lot for the people of New York and understand our state's serious problems especially our grave financial problems. All Hillary has done for New York is let her jaws flap in the breeze making a lot of phony promises and letting out a lot of hot air. Yes New York definately needs a new senator.


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    Nov 18, 2008 11:29 PM GMT
    Great idea, hope it happens.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 18, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    Trance24 saidShe better be careful. A big job like this might put her at risk from sniper fire.


    Is there reason for that statement or just Your wishful thinking?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 18, 2008 11:33 PM GMT
    Yeah probably it would be good if it happens. We would finally get rid of Hillary and hopefully end up with a senator that will do something for New York besides blowing out a lot of hot air making promises and then doing nothing.
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    Nov 18, 2008 11:51 PM GMT
    I agree with Rob. She came to Buffalo and promised to create 30,000 new jobs. Since that time we have lost jobs. I wonder what real work she has done for the area. She works a fraction as hard as Schummer for local, progressive politicians when a simple stop at an event would mean so much. Our city's Congressman has brought home more Bacon than she ever has and he is a tiny whelp with only a few years of experience.

    But, she will make a fine SOS.
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    Nov 18, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
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    Trance24 saidShe better be careful. A big job like this might put her at risk from sniper fire.


    Is there reason for that statement or just Your wishful thinking?



    Its a reference to her "recollection" of being under sniper fire when she visited Bosnia that didn't actually happen.
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    Nov 19, 2008 12:07 AM GMT
    I have learned to stop second guessing Obama's decisions even though I have always fully supported him as the best candidate for president. The more I watch him the more I realize he REALLY knows people. He is smarter in MANY ways than I think people even realize. He will make the best decision I am sure.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 19, 2008 1:36 PM GMT
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    I'll be firmly in the minority here.

    She's an unusually aggressive opportunist who gets herself into situations over her head time and time again. Then she gets to portray herself as the "fighter" and the "underdog" as a result of her initial ineptitude. I really wish she'd go back to the private sector, where she could probably be more influential, a la Al Gore. But I see her as old-school politics and increasingly looking like a dinosaur. It would be a drag on an Obama administration. The world may love Bill Clinton, but he's not available. Plus, the world may also be realizing that in an Obama administration, "even better" is actually possible, and that Hillary might be actually as remarkably mediocre as she seems.

    The only silver lining I see is that she'd be out of the senate, opening another seat for some fresh ideas.



    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, fortunately its the minority.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 19, 2008 1:38 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidHillary as secretary of state, I have mixed emotions about that idea. Personally I woudn't hire her for dog catcher

    Yes New York definately needs a new senator.




    Rob, we've had this conversation before.. you can express critcism about someone in a productive way. Your comments give the reader a generally negative view about you. Think about what your saying.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 19, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    Well the good thing is, if she isn't selected or turns the job down, we know
    she will continue doing a fantastic job as a US senator from NY.

    Lucky New Yorkers.....

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    Nov 19, 2008 2:10 PM GMT
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    Is there reason for that statement or just Your wishful thinking?


    I forget I'm on a gay forum.

    Gays tend to forget most of their dear democrats inaccuracies. Like claim's you took sniper fire on a foreign visit. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Best of luck to Hillary I guess. Alongside her well tanned president I'm sure she'll manage to be an improvement over the past 8 years.
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    Nov 19, 2008 2:26 PM GMT
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    Best of luck to Hillary I guess. Alongside her well tanned president I'm sure she'll manage to be an improvement over the past 8 years.


    You've just made a racist comment like this and that only emphasizes a point I made earlier about the irrational nature of the hate for the Clntons. That same sort of reactionary hate came out against Obama.

    It's so easy for some people to make such statements, and to excuse them to themselves, that they can let something like this slip out.


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    Nov 19, 2008 2:29 PM GMT
    Trance24 said
    GQjock said
    Is there reason for that statement or just Your wishful thinking?


    I forget I'm on a gay forum.

    Gays tend to forget most of their dear democrats inaccuracies. Like claim's you took sniper fire on a foreign visit. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Best of luck to Hillary I guess. Alongside her well tanned president I'm sure she'll manage to be an improvement over the past 8 years.


    If you're gonna make an argument against Hillary at least go beyond some silly misstatement she made months ago.
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    Nov 19, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
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    Trance24 said
    Best of luck to Hillary I guess. Alongside her well tanned president I'm sure she'll manage to be an improvement over the past 8 years.


    You've just made a racist comment like this and that only emphasizes a point I made earlier about the irrational nature of the hate for the Clntons. That same sort of reactionary hate came out against Obama.

    It's so easy for some people to make such statements, and to excuse them to themselves, that they can let something like this slip out.


    It was a reference to a statement Silvio Berlusconi (sp?), PM of Italy, made about our new president.