So the rave kids in my town just discovered that one of the promoters is a convicted sex offender, originally from NY.

  • vindog

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    Nov 18, 2008 11:32 PM GMT


    This is crazy. What sucks even more is that he's gay and into little boys.


    **shudder**

    He used to be an organizer of pride festivals in NY, so maybe you know of this person

    I am an event promoter in the Reno/Tahoe area. I am friends with a lot of raver kids but don't really participate in it besides djing them cuz its full of kids (and when I mean kids I mean like 12-19 year olds high as shit on E with glowsticks, pacifiers, dressed like hookers, etc) and there is never booze at their parties.

    Anyway this kid was throwing these parties with a guy named Kaotic Ken, a 50-year old dj that kind of came out of nowhere (said he was 39 on his myspace). He definitely had a really creepy vibe, the type of guy you would never want your kids to take candy from. All of us in the 21+ scene always thought "Why the hell is this old guy hanging out at these parties?" Well, another local party promoter found the guys last name and........


    Tier 2 sex offender. Multiple counts of child porn, was arrested also for meeting a kid in a chatroom who was 15, then the cops found him and the kid in a car in a parking lot at 4:45am. It was a sting, he says, That the kid told him he was 18 online

    Now inappropriate things are surfacing that he did in Reno.

    He says he was all framed....and even if he was, its illegal for him to throw events catered towards underage kids. For his own legal and personal safety he should have stayed away. Parents get a little feisty when their 15 years olds end up at the house/party of a 50 year old sex offender.
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    Nov 18, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    atlnvmasc said

    I am friends with a lot of raver kids but don't really participate in it besides djing them cuz its full of kids (and when I mean kids I mean like 12-19 year olds high as shit on E with glowsticks, pacifiers, dressed like hookers, etc) and there is never booze at their parties.



    I just hafta ask, considering the way you portray this guy, what are YOU doing around rave parties where underage kids are getting high?

    You might not be a pedophile, but any adult working such parties where underage people are doing drugs is creepy to me.
  • vindog

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    Nov 18, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    I might not be a pedophile....jesus.



    I am booked to dj them from time to time.

    I go in, play my set, and leave.



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    Nov 18, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    Well, as a step-parent myself who has had quite a hand in raising my two, I think the whole thing sounds fishy to me. As an adult, why would you want to work ANY job where you know underage kids are getting high, and then come here and try to get us to side with you in your judgement of some other guy who was doing stuff he shouldn't have been doing?

    Bottom line is, the way I was raised and the way I helped in raising my two, there's NO WAY I'd ever permit them to attend such parties until they were adults. Kids don't belong at such parties, and kids, drugs, and paid adults don't mix.

    I"m not saying you're a pedophile. But as an adult, I think your judgement is questionable since you attend such parties where underage kids are doing drugs, most likely outside of parental supervision, and in the presence of adults who should be setting a better example. And please don't tell me it's just part of your job. You should know better.
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    Nov 19, 2008 12:00 AM GMT
    I wouldn't call him gay. Pedophiles are not gay, they are pedophiles. There is a huge difference.
  • vindog

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    Nov 19, 2008 12:13 AM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidWell, as a step-parent myself who has had quite a hand in raising my two, I think the whole thing sounds fishy to me. As an adult, why would you want to work ANY job where you know underage kids are getting high, and then come here and try to get us to side with you in your judgement of some other guy who was doing stuff he shouldn't have been doing?

    Bottom line is, the way I was raised and the way I helped in raising my two, there's NO WAY I'd ever permit them to attend such parties until they were adults. Kids don't belong at such parties, and kids, drugs, and paid adults don't mix.

    I"m not saying you're a pedophile. But as an adult, I think your judgement is questionable since you attend such parties where underage kids are doing drugs, most likely outside of parental supervision, and in the presence of adults who should be setting a better example. And please don't tell me it's just part of your job. You should know better.



    so you are saying musicians shouldn't play concerts, djs shouldn't play raves, athletes shouldn't play in sports since there are kids getting drunk, high, etc at their events? So an end to "all ages" events in total, all out of FEAR that someone is getting high? Where do you draw the line? As kids going to see Metallica are going to be around drugs, so is Metallica being irresponsible by allowing an all ages show?

    I don't agree with that. At all.


    I agree, I don't think I'd let my kids do that either, it would depend on the kid. But not all the kids are doing drugs, so instead of being reactionary, I believe in trying to make a positive example. I don't do E, I don't dress like a hooker, I am not a pedo. Me removing myself from that situation doesn't help, it just allows people like this guy an easier entrance.

    I wasn't looking for anyone on my side, as if anyone wasn't on my side in regards to the pedophilia (the topic at hand) I'd question them!
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    Nov 19, 2008 12:20 AM GMT
    The fact is, as someone who has myself known a number of people who attend such parties, the general point of rave parties is to get high and/or drunk. MOST concerts and parties that cater to the crowd that enjoys that genre of music do a lot of drugs, as compared to those who would attend a Natalie Cole concert, or anyone elso more mainstream. You yourself said these kids were doing them. Now it sounds like you're backpedalling. I have no problem with adults doing those types of things. But you are the one who made the whole thread about kids, drugs at rave parties, and pedophilia, in an effort to fish for complements about how you're so much more "moral" than the sex offender you mentioned.

    And, lest you think I'm singling out rave paries, I wouldn't let any underage kid in my care attend ANY concerts or parties that cater to that particular crowd. They'd have to be satisfied with listening to the CD's until they're adults.
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    Nov 19, 2008 1:13 AM GMT
    Thank you for putting me on the same level as a pedophile simply for djing an all ages event, your ignorance is amazing.

    At least you could premise with "I have never been, but this is just what i hear." Or, "my kid could go, but I have to be with them." Instead you pull the "I know how it is." Reminds of the people who hate sushi yet have never eaten it.

    So I guess you'd never allow your kids to go anywhere unattended? As almost every concert a kid goes to these days has drugs, booze. I don't condone them doing them, but if they do them I would like them to be free of pedophiles, who could show up at even "mainstream" concerts (yes, I am sure there are pedophiles and drugs at Natalie Cole concerts). Such a big part of my childhood was music, it made me who I am today. I'd hate to deny a teenager the ability to attend music events just because there will be drugs/drinking there. Learning how to behave yourself in those situations makes you grow up.


    Not backpedaling, just making sure you know not everyone is like that.

    I wasn't fishing for anything, in fact more of a "anyone from NY know of this person?" What statement did I make fishing for complements?

    Whether or not kids are doing drugs, doing drugs is in no way even close to as dangerous as allowing kids to be around pedophiles. But apparently you think that djing an event that is all ages is just as bad as pedophilia.


    Please don't run for office....of anything.

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    Nov 19, 2008 3:41 AM GMT
    I wouldn't put you on the same level as a pedophile and I don't think anyone has the right to judge. HOWEVER, if I was an adult and knew of or had a very strong feeling that anybody, much less kids, were getting high at a rave or circuit party that I was working at or attending, I would leave and probably call the cops. Nobody is saying that kids should stay locked up, but it is kind of an adult and employee obligation to prevent and stop any illegal activities going on at work or around children. Of course, I also think that parents should stop being lazy and actually get involved in their kids lives, as well as stop being pussies and actually discipline the little brats. icon_exclaim.gif
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    atlnvmasc saidThank you for putting me on the same level as a pedophile simply for djing an all ages event, your ignorance is amazing.


    I didn't put you on the same level as a pedophile. I do, however, think you're a fool and an overgrown teenager. My ignorance is nothing compared to yours.

    atlnvmasc saidAt least you could premise with "I have never been, but this is just what i hear." Or, "my kid could go, but I have to be with them." Instead you pull the "I know how it is." Reminds of the people who hate sushi yet have never eaten it.


    And you remind me of someone who wouldn't know the first thing about being a responsible parent. I may be wrong, but I'm thinking you don't have any kids. If that's so, then you have no business telling me how to raise mine, or judging how I did so when they were underage.

    atlnvmasc saidSo I guess you'd never allow your kids to go anywhere unattended?


    Sure as shit not to one of your rave parties. I believe in keeping firm tabs on where my kids were/are, and whom they associate with. It's called responsible parenting.

    atlnvmasc saidAs almost every concert a kid goes to these days has drugs, booze.


    That's EXACTLY why I wouldn't let them attend.

    atlnvmasc said I don't condone them doing them, but if they do them I would like them to be free of pedophiles, who could show up at even "mainstream" concerts (yes, I am sure there are pedophiles and drugs at Natalie Cole concerts).


    Yes, and the primary demographic for such mainstream entertainment is ADULTS. In some places, underage people are not even allowed.

    atlnvmasc said Such a big part of my childhood was music, it made me who I am today.


    Yes, an overgrown teenager who doesn't seem to be able to accept adult responsibilities.

    atlnvmasc said I'd hate to deny a teenager the ability to attend music events just because there will be drugs/drinking there.


    Well, good for you. I hope you enjoy bailing them out of jail, or worse, having to explain to the family of some innocent person who was killed in a drunk driving accident caused by your kid or his buddies coming home from one of your rave parties exactly why you let your kid do the driving while intoxicated, or associate with those who did.

    atlnvmasc saidLearning how to behave yourself in those situations makes you grow up.


    No, those situations only put kids in grave danger of hurting or killing themselves or others. Being surrounded by stupidity is rarely a "learning experience." No parent should have to see their kid "grow up" from the bed of an emergency room because of an overdose of drugs or alcohol, or a traffic accident caused by same. Being around mob stupidity is no guarantee that the kid will "grow up," especially where peer pressure is involved.

    atlnvmasc saidNot backpedaling, just making sure you know not everyone is like that.

    I wasn't fishing for anything, in fact more of a "anyone from NY know of this person?" What statement did I make fishing for complements?


    Okay, that's another subject: who are you to say anything about this other person? "Look at how great I am pointing out what a scumbag this other guy is who supports the same parties I support!" And why do you come here looking for support for your statements? If he's truly dangerous, go to the damn cops! Oh, wait! I forgot. You CAN'T go to the cops because, as an adult, YOU'D have to take responsibility for a position of authority at a rave party where drugs and alcohol are being used be minors under your care. Yes, as an adult, ALL minors who are attending a function where you work are YOUR responsibility.

    atlnvmasc saidWhether or not kids are doing drugs, doing drugs is in no way even close to as dangerous as allowing kids to be around pedophiles.


    BULLSHIT! Tell that to the innocent victim, and their family, of an intoxicated kid behind the wheel!

    atlnvmasc saidBut apparently you think that djing an event that is all ages is just as bad as pedophilia.


    No, I don't. I think that events for minors should be separate from events for adults when drugs or alcohol are being used.

    atlnvmasc saidPlease don't run for office....of anything.


    I'll run for whatever I want. A vote from someone like you would be worse than an opposing vote in any election. You, on the other hand, wouldn't be qualified to run for dog catcher.

    GROW THE FUCK UP!


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    Nov 19, 2008 8:12 AM GMT
    Sounds pretty ordinary to me. The deal is very soon he will be able to marry his boys.
  • vindog

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    Nov 19, 2008 4:11 PM GMT


    It's great that you put me on the same level as Madonna, Backstreet Boys, Metallica, Tiesto, and school dance DJs and every other artist that performs for an all ages crowd (meaning adults and kids) where there are drugs and alcohol. They get paid from it....you just basically put everyone and anyone who works promoting any kind of musical events on the same level as a pedophile. And while I do not promote events that cater to the all ages crowd, I do dj them, and to me it is no different than being hired to play a high school dance (since kids are wasted at those too....but we shouldn't have those either, according to you).


    And on top of that, you obviously are going to put your kids on a leash until they are 18. You are a fool to think that keeping them on a short leash is going to keep them from doing things you deem as BAD. You basically believe that they should be kept in a cage until they are 18.

    I am different and was raised different. My parents allowed me to make my own decisions and did not keep me on a short leash. If anything such as grades, police, behavior, etc, changed, then I was reeled in. I will give my kids that same privilege, if they earn it. I've seen what happens to children who are kept on short leashes and then unleashed at 18. It's not pretty. Being around adults in different settings helps kids BECOME adults. No matter what, they will get drunk sometimes, whether it be at a concert or a friend's house whose parent's are out of town (which in my opinion is potentially more life-threatening).

    I wouldn't call myself and overgrown teenager (you can, but I care not). I am one of the nicest, hardworking and good-hearted person you will ever meet. My music spreads positivity and furthers to better my community. My events often benefit charitable organizations to fund art projects for kids, feed the homeless and combat AIDS. I own a house, and a business.



    You, friend, have little concept of the challenges even facing kids these days. Believe me, if your kid sneaks out of the house or lies to you to ends up at an all ages event/party/concert (which will happen), would you rather have a sober, responsible adult (or overgrown teenager) there or a slimy pedophile?



    However, due to your really whack world view, I give the coveted seal of mental failure, which you have completely earned.


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