What a straight!

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    Sep 01, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    I would love it if people used the term "straight" in the same pejorative sense that the term "gay" or "fag" is, like "that is the straightest thing I have ever scene... lol" or "don't be a straight"

    Would you be open to trying to use the term straight negatively?
  • AMoonHawk

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    Sep 01, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    um ... I think people use the term breeder ... but what does it say about me if someone use an ignorant term and I use one in return
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    Sep 01, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
    Uh, no.

    If one doesn't like their sexuality being used as a negative term by others, why would they want to do the same?
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    Sep 01, 2013 4:22 PM GMT
    I really hate the term breeder. Nothing says lack of respect more than using terms negatively like that. Most of my closest friends are straight and none of them use gay/fag negatively
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    Sep 01, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
    southern89 saidI really hate the term breeder. Nothing says lack of respect more than using terms negatively like that. Most of my closest friends are straight and none of them use gay/fag negatively


    Amen!!! I think people who use that term should realize they were CREATED due to that lol
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    Sep 01, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
    It depends the context and the tone in which words are being used, also the level and trust within the person you're interacting with. We say all of these "words" are horrible but then sometimes someone will use these words in a certain situation, in comedy, with trusted friends etc and people find it funny and/or acceptable. We as a whole contradict ourselves quite often

    There's an incredibly fine line between being sinister and ironic. Although it should be acceptable for you to say something controversial to someone Only if they KNOW for a fact that the other will find it humorous and they have consented an agreement permitting that kind of vocabulary/behaviour. People who use this vocabulary without consent are ignorant not necessarily because they used the word, but because they used it without consent with whom they are speaking with and denied and neglected their feelings/values/beliefs etc. Although if you genuinely use a controversial words or phrase and mean it whole heartedly then yeah there's something wrong with you. I just think that there's several kinds of ingorance, one involves deliberately being small minded and saying hurtful things in conviction, another involves copying another person's ironic joke in hopes of trying to recreate the appeal at a completely inappropriate time.

    Also, is it okay for anyone to inflict intentional pain on someone? 90% of the time no, but if someone's into kink and they both consent on exactly what they want done, what rules to follow and when the lines are crossed, then it's okay and you can't do much about it.

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    Sep 01, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
    Times may have changed (depending on your location, of course), but after living 20 years in the closet due to fear, I understand the negativity of using the term "breeder," after being thought of as less-than-human and less-as-worthy for being gay. It's not that I would use the negative terms, but I still encounter homophobia and it SUCKS. I have an issue with the term "gay friendly." It's so 1980's and is an attempt for a straight person to seem cool. I work with someone who touts this and it totally pisses me off. It's not like I go around saying I'm "straight friendly." WTF.
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    Sep 01, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
    I agree 100% with the comments made about using the word "breeder". If you seem to think that heterosexual intercourse is worthy of such an ugly term, you're just insecure.

    In regards to the OP's comments, I had a few friends in high school who were straight (supposedly) where one of them would jokingly use the phrase "What are you, gay?" and the other would respond with "What are you, straight?". Then it would just snowball from there, using a lot of phrases that are used commonly to accuse someone of being gay, but substituting gay with straight.

    It was all in good fun and they would only say it between each other, so I see no harm in that.
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    Sep 01, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    southern89 saidI really hate the term breeder. Nothing says lack of respect more than using terms negatively like that. Most of my closest friends are straight and none of them use gay/fag negatively


    This. FTW.
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    Sep 01, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
    Get out :/
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    Sep 01, 2013 5:19 PM GMT
    I think there's a better approach:
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  • MikeW

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    Sep 01, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    Actually back in the 1960s, those of us who identified as 'hippies' used 'straight' as a pejorative. It didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation, though. It was like saying "square," "not hip," "not cool," etc. It referred to anyone who was part of the 'establishment' or against the youth counter-culture.
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    Sep 01, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    ReluctantPromises saidI use the term breeder in a negative sense everyday.

    It makes me feel better than them.


    It really just puts you at the same level..

    If you want to feel better than them, be the better man.. don't use such terms negatively
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    Sep 01, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    AstroGeek saidI think there's a better approach:
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    I agree.

    Why not embrace the word GAY and make it something positive? icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 01, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
    Two wrongs don't make a right.
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    Sep 01, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
    smudgetool saidTimes may have changed (depending on your location, of course), but after living 20 years in the closet due to fear, I understand the negativity of using the term "breeder," after being thought of as less-than-human and less-as-worthy for being gay. It's not that I would use the negative terms, but I still encounter homophobia and it SUCKS. I have an issue with the term "gay friendly." It's so 1980's and is an attempt for a straight person to seem cool. I work with someone who touts this and it totally pisses me off. It's not like I go around saying I'm "straight friendly." WTF.

    LOL ..."straight friendly" ...that would make a great T-shirt
  • starboard5

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    Sep 01, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
    All the nomenclature sucks, really. Where did "straight" come from? Is it a reactionary term created because we're seen as "crooked"? I don't know. And I don't like gay, either, though I feel like I have to use it because it's the accepted term. Gay originally meant carefree, happy, etc. Applied to us it sounds pejorative or sarcastic, like we're all a bunch of frivolous airheads. Homosexual and heterosexual make sense, but they sound too clinical for everyday speech.

    Personally, I like the word queer, but only used among or by ourselves. In it's early, British usage it just meant odd, as in unexpected or different, not conforming to a norm.

    We're stuck with gay and straight.
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    Sep 01, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
    MikeW saidActually back in the 1960s, those of us who identified as 'hippies' used 'straight' as a pejorative. It didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation, though. It was like saying "square," "not hip," "not cool," etc. It referred to anyone who was part of the 'establishment' or against the youth counter-culture.



    I forgot about that usage. Yes, it was a counter culture put down.
  • madsexy

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    Sep 01, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    Two wrongs don't make a right. I think most of us learned that in primary school.
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    Sep 01, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    madsexy saidTwo wrongs don't make a right. I think most of us learned that in primary school.

    But three rights make a left. Ever think about that? Huh?

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    Sep 01, 2013 8:25 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    madsexy saidTwo wrongs don't make a right. I think most of us learned that in primary school.

    But three rights make a left. Ever think about that? Huh?


    That is the reason I stopped letting You take Me to the mall - it took forEVER to get there the way YOU drive...

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    Sep 01, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
    Heterosexuals constitute most of the population, so I don't think using 'straight' as some kind of offensive word would ever catch on...
    People who use 'gay' and 'queer' etc in a derogatory way do so as a reflection of their own bigotry, ignorance and small-mindedness (unless it is a young person copying the way their friends use the words, in which case I still say 'get your own brain sheep'). Any gay person using 'straight' or (shudder) 'breeder' is admitting their own bigotry or psychological hang-up about their sexuality and role within society.
    Also, why would anyone want to discriminate against heterosexuals? Many gay men (myself included) largely function as mainstream, pretty much hetero-normative members of society. It would be hypocritical of them to abuse straight people in any way.
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    Sep 01, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    MikeW saidActually back in the 1960s, those of us who identified as 'hippies' used 'straight' as a pejorative. It didn't have anything to do with sexual orientation, though. It was like saying "square," "not hip," "not cool," etc. It referred to anyone who was part of the 'establishment' or against the youth counter-culture.


    I am a TOTAL hippy!

    I wish I grew up during the 60s, my favourite era.
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    Sep 01, 2013 8:47 PM GMT
    The point of this thread is that I hate that words like nigger and chink are not allowed in everyday speech yet fag and gay are still accepted.
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    Sep 01, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
    Using the term 'breeder' is stupid. If it weren't for 'breeders', you wouldn't be alive.