Liberals reject Obama's case for Syria strikes; believe Obama and Kerry are lying

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    Sep 04, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
    Hmmmmmm..... Our President wouldn't ever lie to us, no?


    President Obama’s liberal activist base is adamantly opposed to military strikes in Syria, according to a new survey the Progressive Change Campaign Committee released Wednesday.

    PCCC says more than 57,000 of its activists weighed in, and 73 percent of them opposed the U.S. taking action in Syria. Just 18 percent supported strikes, and just 14 percent said the U.S. should go ahead unilaterally if it can’t find any allies.

    Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action.


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  • musclmed

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    Sep 04, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
    I dont think Obama is lying at all.

    Here are the issues.
    1) if Arab nations are behind ousting Assad, and willing to pay for it why dont they do it themselves?
    Should we tolerate Isalmic BS about foreign armies on Muslim soil ever again?

    2) What is the rush? Obama didnt seek approval until recently what has changed? 100k have died.

    3) What is the endgame? Who takes over after Assad? What guarantee will there be that the winner doesn't just slaughter the looser if we pick sides? Even worse there is a chance of having what happened in Egypt. We picked sides and there was no thanks in that from Morsi, he ended up trying to become the dictator he hated.

    Obama could turn this around and use this situation in Syria to expose how corrupt and worthless the U.N. is. Call them out on what to do. Put the blood of Syria on the UN security counsel and Sec General.
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    Sep 04, 2013 9:00 PM GMT


    "Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action."

    and

    "Liberals reject Obama's case for Syria strikes; believe Obama and Kerry are lying"

    OK, here's the actual report from the PCCC and what it says. Oops, nothing about lying at all. Incidentally, there were 57,000 responses out of one million members.

    "MEMO TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS:
    To: Democratic Senators and Representatives

    From: Adam Green and Stephanie Taylor, PCCC Co-Founders

    Date: September 4, 2013

    Re: Survey results: Your base opposes Syria military action

    The Progressive Change Campaign Committee was the first organization to praise President Obama’s decision to ask Congress to vote on military bombings in Syria – consistent with our Constitution.

    You now face a decision that involves life and death. This decision also involves billions of dollars. And it will send a signal to your constituents and the world about our nation’s morals and our ability to make strategic, goal-oriented decisions. This historic moment must transcend political party.

    In the last 72 hours, we surveyed PCCC members across the nation – in every state and congressional district. We've received over 57,000 responses so far, and a clear result: Your progressive base stands firmly against bombing Syria.

    Our survey was extensive, asking about our goals in Syria, military action as a means to our goals, the significance of international coalitions, and more.

    Here are some top numbers for you to be aware of:

    By 73% to 18%, progressive respondents oppose U.S. military action in Syria.

    Only 14% favor unilateral U.S. military action. Among those open to a coalition effort, 55% say the United Nations “must” approve the action to go forward.

    81% believe that an initially-limited bombing campaign would lead to deeper involvement.

    Opinions about our goal in Syria are split between a ceasefire, deposing Assad, deterring Assad, and several others. But 80% say, regardless of what our goal is, narrow bombings will not achieve it.

    Progressives believe we should do something about Syria – only 11% say do nothing. 38% say we need a diplomatic strategy involving the UN and other nations. 19% say pursue war crime charges in The Hague. 19% favor humanitarian aid. Only 11% prefer air attacks as the solution.

    Many people believe the intelligence delivered by President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry. Nonetheless, they strongly oppose military action, finding it harmful and unstrategic."
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    Sep 04, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
    Many people believe the intelligence delivered by President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry. Nonetheless, they strongly oppose military action, finding it harmful and unstrategic."

    The rest (all "Progressives") believe they are lying.

    You sorely lack analytical skills if you believe otherwise.
  • mybud

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    Sep 06, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    HereAndThere saidMany people believe the intelligence delivered by President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry. Nonetheless, they strongly oppose military action, finding it harmful and unstrategic."

    The rest (all "Progressives") believe they are lying.

    You sorely lack analytical skills if you believe otherwise.
    This coming from a conservative..
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    Sep 06, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    From media reports I see, I think most believe the reports of Assad's regime using chemical weapons. On the other hand, they agree with Putin that Kerry is lying about the rebels being mostly moderates. Some reports suggest Kerry is lying. Moderates were more influential months ago but support especially from Iran has shifted more to the Islamists/terrorists.
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    Sep 06, 2013 2:48 PM GMT
    mybud said
    HereAndThere saidMany people believe the intelligence delivered by President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry. Nonetheless, they strongly oppose military action, finding it harmful and unstrategic."

    The rest (all "Progressives") believe they are lying.

    You sorely lack analytical skills if you believe otherwise.
    This coming from a conservative..


    "Many people believe something" therefore the rest think the others are LYING. That is the kind of fallacious logic that serves only to make one less credible.

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    Sep 06, 2013 3:45 PM GMT
    Cdn media reports are in line with what socalfitness said above. A bit of skepticism with exactly what is being told but for the most part understanding Obama's move to refer the question to Congress. Media "questions military intelligence" but our media never says someone is "lying."


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    Sep 06, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    HereAndThere saidHmmmmmm..... Our President wouldn't ever lie to us, no?


    President Obama’s liberal activist base is adamantly opposed to military strikes in Syria, according to a new survey the Progressive Change Campaign Committee released Wednesday.

    PCCC says more than 57,000 of its activists weighed in, and 73 percent of them opposed the U.S. taking action in Syria. Just 18 percent supported strikes, and just 14 percent said the U.S. should go ahead unilaterally if it can’t find any allies.

    Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action.


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