Dan Savage Kicks Off The New NALT Christian Campaign

  • metta

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    Sep 05, 2013 9:03 PM GMT
    Dan Savage Kicks Off The New NALT Christian Campaign

    Not All Like That


    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/dan-savage-kicks-off-the-new-nalt-christian-campaign2/news/2013/09/05/74463


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    https://www.facebook.com/NALTChristiansProject


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    Sep 05, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    I guess his "It Gets Better" spotlight has faded.
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    Sep 05, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI guess his "It Gets Better" spotlight has faded.


    I actually thought it was another genius idea from Savage to improve LGBT support worldwide.

    Also Savage has done more for the LGBT community than any of us has so before you go all pessimistic on this new idea, take two steps back and ask yourself-What have I done?
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    Sep 06, 2013 12:39 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    wrestlervic saidI guess his "It Gets Better" spotlight has faded.


    I actually thought it was another genius idea from Savage to improve LGBT support worldwide.

    Also Savage has done more for the LGBT community than any of us has so before you go all pessimistic on this new idea, take two steps back and ask yourself-What have I done?

    +1...I also think this is a genius idea
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    Sep 06, 2013 1:50 AM GMT
    I think it's a good idea, but I wouldn't say genius.

    Why specifically NALT Christians? Why not open it up to other religions? I get that in much of the English speaking world it's Christian leaders who are speaking loudest against LGBT rights. But given that many English speaking countries are home to people of many cultures, it doesn't say much for those who are feeling oppressed by other religions.
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    Sep 06, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    go_dreaming saidI think it's a good idea, but I wouldn't say genius.

    Why specifically NALT Christians? Why not open it up to other religions? I get that in much of the English speaking world it's Christian leaders who are speaking loudest against LGBT rights. But given that many English speaking countries are home to people of many cultures, it doesn't say much for those who are feeling oppressed by other religions.

    I agree other religions should get in on this. That said, because Christianity is "the big kid on the block" (with respect to religion as seen on a global level, and with respect to antigay religious rhetoric), it makes sense that Christians do the most apologizing here.
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    Sep 06, 2013 2:00 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    wrestlervic saidI guess his "It Gets Better" spotlight has faded.


    I actually thought it was another genius idea from Savage to improve LGBT support worldwide.

    Also Savage has done more for the LGBT community than any of us has so before you go all pessimistic on this new idea, take two steps back and ask yourself-What have I done?




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    Sep 06, 2013 2:07 AM GMT
    juvenescences said
    go_dreaming saidI think it's a good idea, but I wouldn't say genius.

    Why specifically NALT Christians? Why not open it up to other religions? I get that in much of the English speaking world it's Christian leaders who are speaking loudest against LGBT rights. But given that many English speaking countries are home to people of many cultures, it doesn't say much for those who are feeling oppressed by other religions.

    I agree other religions should get in on this. That said, because Christianity is "the big kid on the block" (with respect to religion as seen on a global level, and with respect to antigay religious rhetoric), it makes sense that Christians do the most apologizing here.


    Of course, so by opening it up to other religions you would naturally see more dialogue from the Christian community. But others would be able to weigh in. I think it could be a really beautiful thing to see people from all different beliefs joining together to say that they agree on something.
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    Sep 06, 2013 2:08 AM GMT
    charlitos saidAlso Savage has done more for the LGBT community than any of us has so before you go all pessimistic on this new idea, take two steps back and ask yourself-What have I done?


    Yeah, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. George Bush has done more for America than I have. He also happens to have been a lousy President.

    Dan Savage has spoken out for gays, but Dan Savage is not above criticism -- nobody is. Incidentally, I think this NALT thing is a very good idea.
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    Sep 06, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    What a douche.
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    Sep 06, 2013 10:34 AM GMT
    I don't think I have heard the words "LGBT people" said so many times in my life.
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    Sep 06, 2013 10:48 AM GMT
    I agree that the "It gets better project" has helped a lot of people and thats great but Dan Savage isn't infallible. He should be held to the same standards that we hold anyone else that speaks on behalf of LGBT people. Its like he said in his NALT video, if you dont say something you are in essence agreeing with him. Transphobia, racism, all forms of bigotry are wrong and we shouldnt make excuses for people. We don't need to like Dan Savage to appreciate that "It gets better" and "NALT" has merit. And most of us have helped the LGBT community in some small part as well.
    If you ever marched in a pride parade,
    if you ever gave a newly out friend advice,
    if you ever called someone on their homophobia,
    if you ever came out and shown who you are,
    if you ever got tested,
    if you ever voiced you're LGBT opinion in a forum, on youtube, at home, outside, in a bar, anywhere then you haved helped the LGBT community.
    Maybe you didnt get the same spotlight attention or have the same platform as Dan Savage but each of these is important. We are a community because when something is wrong we seek out others who are LGBT for help. And that is just as important because THAT is how we make things better!
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    Sep 06, 2013 10:48 AM GMT
    I would have really liked to have seen Dan Savage partner with any of the existing lgbt-christian organization that have been trying to do this work for years, but don't have the clout he has. Organizations such as The Marin Foundation or Gaychristian.net. While his idea of NALT Christians seems to be a step in the opposite direction from the time he universally condemned all Christians, lgbtq+ or otherwise, as "pussys," one would hope that he would try to deliver this platform wrapped in the same packaging as his "It Get's Better" format. I'm not saying it won't work, I just would've like to have seen the idea circulate around in other circles than singly gay media. A lot of lgbtq+ people of faith are weary to listen to what Savage has to say, because they've already felt overlooked by him because they have a faith, and not a philosophy, per se.

    Regardless--I want this project to succeed, and I will probably be submitting my own video on his website. I hope some of my friends will also contribute videos to the projects, and I will share it with them.
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    Sep 06, 2013 1:02 PM GMT
    Irishguy22 saidI agree that the "It gets better project" has helped a lot of people and thats great but Dan Savage isn't infallible. He should be held to the same standards that we hold anyone else that speaks on behalf of LGBT people. Its like he said in his NALT video, if you dont say something you are in essence agreeing with him. Transphobia, racism, all forms of bigotry are wrong and we shouldnt make excuses for people. We don't need to like Dan Savage to appreciate that "It gets better" and "NALT" has merit. And most of us have helped the LGBT community in some small part as well.
    If you ever marched in a pride parade,
    if you ever gave a newly out friend advice,
    if you ever called someone on their homophobia,
    if you ever came out and shown who you are,
    if you ever got tested,
    if you ever voiced you're LGBT opinion in a forum, on youtube, at home, outside, in a bar, anywhere then you haved helped the LGBT community.
    Maybe you didnt get the same spotlight attention or have the same platform as Dan Savage but each of these is important. We are a community because when something is wrong we seek out others who are LGBT for help. And that is just as important because THAT is how we make things better!


    I think the most important thing you can do is come out to people who look up to you, or admire you, hang out with you, etc. Then, whether it's religion or civil rights, those people start to become supporters.
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    Sep 06, 2013 1:08 PM GMT
    DAN SAVAGE IS A BITTER GADFLY WITH NO TALENT.
    AND UGLY .icon_twisted.gif
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    Sep 06, 2013 1:08 PM GMT
    This really improves my opinion of Dan Savage. I guess I had pegged him as a guy who hated any religious person no matter the stance each person holds on LGBT issues.

    The fact he is working with this group has proven me wrong. Keep up the good work Dan icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 06, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    This type of outreach between the LGBT and various religious communities has been going on for some time. However, I believe Dan has the name recognition and resources to help make greater progress in this area. Perhaps his twist in the strategy will breath new life into an old effort.

    I think the timing is also right as the mood of the country over the last six years has shifted in our favor. I have no doubt that if successful this effort will probably grow to include other faiths as well.

    Whether we are practitioners of a particular faith or not we need to recognize that there are many people of faith that support us. I think it is a great idea to work with these people to counter the lies being told by those who use religion to preach intolerance and hate.

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    Sep 06, 2013 5:33 PM GMT
    but, NALT?

    Lame
    Acronyms
    Must
    End

    Respect the gay, Savage, have a sense of aesthetics.
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    Sep 06, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    theantijock saidbut, NALT?

    Lame
    Acronyms
    Must
    End

    Respect the gay, Savage, have a sense of aesthetics.


    I think they aimed for a bit of humor. It makes sense to me to go for an acronym poking fun at that term. The acronym itself is a statement and perfectly describes the group.
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    Sep 06, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    you're giving dan savage way too much credit.

    apparently, you haven't heard about the things he's said about bisexuals and transgendered people. that's just the tip of the iceberg

    http://fucknodansavage.tumblr.com/

    i don't dislike him but quite aware of how much of a hypocrite he is. i would say that he's close to an accurate representation to what's wrong in the gay community.


    This was on the page you linked. Am I supposed to be seeing something offensive here?

    The only thing offensive is some twat whining about how they hate Dan Savage.


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    Sep 06, 2013 6:22 PM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    keep reading the tumblr if you want to see WHY they don't like dan savage and i can't blame them.

    and besides, he's notoriously known to bash bisexuals and transgendered people anyways. he's really NOT an activist for lgbt people on a whole especially when he leaves out the BT.


    Please post something that doesn't look like the 4chan forums.

    And I'd say at least half the people on this forum have some strong opinions on drag queens, bisexuals, lesbians, feminine gay men, etc. Dan Savage is not unique in having opinions of his own.
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    Sep 06, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
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    theantijock saidbut, NALT?

    Lame
    Acronyms
    Must
    End

    Respect the gay, Savage, have a sense of aesthetics.


    I think they aimed for a bit of humor. It makes sense to me to go for an acronym poking fun at that term. The acronym itself is a statement and perfectly describes the group.


    So you're saying when I want to win the respect of friends and influence people to support me, I should poke fun at them by calling them nasally sounding names that contort the face to pronounce?

    Interesting tactic. I look forward to your presentation of the data backing up that assertion.
  • MadeinMich

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    Sep 06, 2013 8:47 PM GMT
    I dislike any one of any minority group who trys to speak for that group and tells them how every person of that group should live. A number of years ago I remember him stating that no matter your situation ALL gay men should come out the closet at 18 years old. He's made other statements regarding how all gays should live their life and I don't feel anyone has the right to declare how a group of people should live their lives.
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    Sep 06, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    Good for him. Hope it does well. He will probably go on TV but he comes off a little "in your face". I just think that he will get a lot of backlash since making noise to conservative christians is exactly what they don't like. What I would hope for instead are churches that are somewhat progressive to reach out to the gay community. I emailed back and forth a minister that said I was welcome but many in his church would probably not accept me. I am not stereotypical but I told him our situation and he wanted me to come to the church and continue and meet with him after church. But he said the issue on homosexuality and bisex. is just so "hard" still with some of his church members and christians in general.
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    Sep 06, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
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    charlitos saidAlso Savage has done more for the LGBT community than any of us has so before you go all pessimistic on this new idea, take two steps back and ask yourself-What have I done?


    Yeah, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. George Bush has done more for America than I have. He also happens to have been a lousy President.

    Dan Savage has spoken out for gays, but Dan Savage is not above criticism -- nobody is. Incidentally, I think this NALT thing is a very good idea.


    Nobody said or implied that Dan Savage was some sort of God. You missed the point of the comment which in essence is directed to pessimism without reason. The NALT project is meant to further improve LGBT support, yet, we have a gay member who comes to this thread to simply post negatively for the sake of being negative. No analysis, no disagreement, not a better proposal, instead he posts something no different from a "that is just stupid". If that is the type of attitude you as a gay guy are going to portray when faced with people and ideas designed to help the GLBT community; you better have equally or better LGBT support credentials to that of the person or group's proposal. If you do not, then think twice at least before expressing yourself negatively.