Do you think that gay community is so desperate for acceptance and leadership that we'll take anyone?

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    Sep 07, 2013 12:08 AM GMT
    This is a spin off thread for the Dan Savage thread. I really don't like Dan Savage because I think that he's a slime ball, who'll do anything for fame. The point of this thread is that I feel the gay community would do anything to become apart of mainstream America without thinking of the consequences or how it would affect other groups.
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    Sep 07, 2013 1:16 AM GMT
    I just don't see why so many gays worship the ground he walks on. He's like the gay white male version of Oprah.
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    Sep 07, 2013 1:18 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidI don't get all the hatred directed at Dan Savage. What has he done to piss anyone off? He's irreverent, funny, devastatingly sexy, and a tireless advocate for our rights.


    Dan Savage is 10000 x MORE HELPFUL TO OUR CAUSE than any of his critics.
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    Sep 07, 2013 2:09 AM GMT
    http://forgetpolitics.tumblr.com/post/22929360770/the-top-6-reasons-why-you-should-hate-dan-savage

    http://fucknodansavage.tumblr.com/

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    Sep 07, 2013 4:42 AM GMT
    Because clearly none of you have said anything offensive EVER about your fellow man icon_rolleyes.gif

    WAKE UP - there is NO perfect role model in existence on this planet. Every single human being is flawed and if you expect perfection you're never going to get anyone fighting for you.
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    Sep 07, 2013 4:56 AM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    juvenescences saidBecause clearly none of you have said anything offensive EVER about your fellow man icon_rolleyes.gif

    WAKE UP - there is NO perfect role model in existence on this planet. Every single human being is flawed and if you expect perfection you're never going to get anyone fighting for you.


    icon_rolleyes.gif what is your point? dan savage should try shutting the fuck up instead of trying to be this spokeperson about "tolerance". don't try to excuse that lame shit.

    I'll say it again: NO ONE is perfect. That's not excusing him. That's recognizing the human condition. People hold up an impossible standard to those that step up to the plate as spokespeople, role models, etc, and it's sickening. Until you do something on that grand a scale to change your world, you have no place to nitpick at their flaws. Simple as that.
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    Sep 07, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    Are you applying for the position
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    Sep 07, 2013 5:08 AM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk saidAre you applying for the position


    no, i'm busy working on myself. i'm not busy trying to save the world when my ass is on the edge as it is.

    That was intended for the OP .... good to hear you working to better yourself though
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    Sep 07, 2013 5:08 AM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    naw, man. you're NOT getting it.

    what i'm saying is quite simple. dan savage needs to sit his ass down, shut the fuck up and work on himself. you ARE giving him a pass by completely choosing to overlook what i'm saying. his activism loses his credibility because he clearly doesn't believe in the message that he's saying.

    don't do this bs where you're like "everybody's a hypocrite, nobody is perfect" and whatever. if dan wants to make the world a better place, he needs to start with himself because he seems to not realize that he himself is a bully and that his bullying has HURT other people. i don't know why you're choosing to not understand that simple point.

    What you're saying IS quite simple, and on top of that quite simply wrong. Step up to the plate. Change your world. Show us what the perfect example of a spokesperson is supposed to be. Your past is completely flawless and you've never said anything wrong, right? Go on, start making the world a better place! Oh wait...you've got flaws, that's right! And so do I. You've hurt people, that's right! I've witnessed it firsthand in these forums. I've hurt people, one I even apologized to in the last week after I made a horrible first impression on at a volleyball game this summer. Should you or I bother trying to change the world because we've hurt people, intentionally or otherwise, up until this point in time? Should you or I not bother trying to change the world because we'll hurt people, intentionally or otherwise, for the rest of our lives? You have an unrealistic standard, Pazzy. You don't understand people.
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    Sep 07, 2013 5:39 AM GMT
    What if he could be black? Would he be okay then?
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    Sep 07, 2013 6:04 AM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk saidWhat if he could be black? Would he be okay then?


    what would make you think that i wouldn't say the same thing if he were black? do you want me to show you what i said to mr. nubian, who is black, when he was talking shit about bisexuals and lesbians sometime back? icon_mad.gif are you implying that i'm racist or simple minded because i'm criticizing an ignorant ass man that happens to be white? don't ever come @ me like that again.

    Hmm ... you seem to have avoided the question and you are seriously over reacting to someone who really doesn't have that much influence on the gay community, so I feel there is something deeper going on. So yes, I think racism is on the table.
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    Sep 07, 2013 6:20 AM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk said
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk saidWhat if he could be black? Would he be okay then?


    what would make you think that i wouldn't say the same thing if he were black? do you want me to show you what i said to mr. nubian, who is black, when he was talking shit about bisexuals and lesbians sometime back? icon_mad.gif are you implying that i'm racist or simple minded because i'm criticizing an ignorant ass man that happens to be white? don't ever come @ me like that again.

    Hmm ... you seem to have avoided the question and you are seriously over reacting to someone who really doesn't have that much influence on the gay community, so I feel there is something deeper going on. So yes, I think racism is on the table.


    WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    ARE YOU SERIOUS?

    i answered your question, dude. man, you're just trying to annoy me right now.

    maybe you think like that which is why you brought it up thinking that i think like you BUT i don't. i think dan savage is ignorant. you're the guy bringing up him being white and if i would feel any differently if he were a black person as if that has anything to do with the matter. then you talk about me overreacting when i'm really just wondering why the fuck you would bring that up in the first place when it's irrelevant. icon_question.gif

    are you saying that i can't call out ignorant people on being ignorant? i do it with everyone who says some ignorant shit. why are you defending dan savage?


    You made the following comments:
    "It's a campaign aimed at good looking white boys with great bodies and upper middle class families. "
    "Savage himself would mock and demonize; kids of color..."
    "The gay kids who participate are often great looking white boys ..."

    All of the above point to racist thoughts ... in particular the use of the words "white boys"

    If a white person used the term "black boys", tell me you wouldn't consider those as racist overtones.
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    Sep 07, 2013 6:34 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidI don't get all the hatred directed at Dan Savage. What has he done to piss anyone off? He's irreverent, funny, devastatingly sexy, and a tireless advocate for our rights.


    +1
  • AMoonHawk

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    Sep 07, 2013 6:36 AM GMT
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk said
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk said
    gta5iscomingin11days said
    AMoonHawk saidWhat if he could be black? Would he be okay then?


    what would make you think that i wouldn't say the same thing if he were black? do you want me to show you what i said to mr. nubian, who is black, when he was talking shit about bisexuals and lesbians sometime back? icon_mad.gif are you implying that i'm racist or simple minded because i'm criticizing an ignorant ass man that happens to be white? don't ever come @ me like that again.

    Hmm ... you seem to have avoided the question and you are seriously over reacting to someone who really doesn't have that much influence on the gay community, so I feel there is something deeper going on. So yes, I think racism is on the table.


    WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    ARE YOU SERIOUS?

    i answered your question, dude. man, you're just trying to annoy me right now.

    maybe you think like that which is why you brought it up thinking that i think like you BUT i don't. i think dan savage is ignorant. you're the guy bringing up him being white and if i would feel any differently if he were a black person as if that has anything to do with the matter. then you talk about me overreacting when i'm really just wondering why the fuck you would bring that up in the first place when it's irrelevant. icon_question.gif

    are you saying that i can't call out ignorant people on being ignorant? i do it with everyone who says some ignorant shit. why are you defending dan savage?


    You made the following comments:
    "It's a campaign aimed at good looking white boys with great bodies and upper middle class families. "
    "Savage himself would mock and demonize; kids of color..."
    "The gay kids who participate are often great looking white boys ..."

    All of the above point to racist thoughts ... in particular the use of the words "white boys"

    If a white person used the term "black boys", tell me you wouldn't consider those as racist overtones.


    actually, i think it's YOU exposing yourself right there.

    i didn't write that. what i DID do is i agreed with what the person that wrote it on datalounge said. i think they're right.

    you clearly didn't READ AND UNDERSTAND what the writer was saying. the person wasn't saying anything racist. what the person was doing was saying that mr. dan savage is a racist using past evidence from his writings or whatever. the writer refers to "good looking white boys" because they're talking about TEENAGERS in this case white boys since they're talking about white males under the age of 18. if you read the entire thing, you would have understood that they wrote it in the context of AGE.

    so it's REALLY just you twisting around shit into something that it isn't. nice try though.


    Say What???? You didn't write that? I copied it straight out of your entry above. Were you quoting someone else? If you were, you wrote it as if they were your own words. Maybe you need to start using quotes around paragraphs you are quoting and indicate where you are taking the quote from.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Sep 07, 2013 6:39 AM GMT
    OMG ... so you are taking your opion from other forums and basing your dislike of Savage on the rants of others without really knowing anything about him .... classic icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 07, 2013 6:41 AM GMT
    Seriously how dare any person who identifies as gay bash Savage.

    Read a book.
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    Sep 07, 2013 6:51 AM GMT
    MCB_ saidSeriously how dare any person who identifies as gay bash Savage.

    Read a book.



    Savage is not a saint. He's nothing more than a slime with the mind of an adolescent boy that just discovered sex. I feel that he does more harm than good for the gay community. And he makes us look like we're all some type of sex crazed degenerates.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Sep 07, 2013 7:23 AM GMT
    seriously all that Savage did was get the ball rolling its up to everybody else to keep it rolling ... If you feel there is some thing that needs to be done with the 'it gets better' campaign ... Then go out and make your own videos with what ever role models you want ... Don't expect him to do it for you ... or if you have a better idea then implement them