Mexico vs Argentina

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    Sep 08, 2013 3:35 AM GMT
    Hi y'all

    This past May, I went to Mexico and stayed there for a month. I started in Guadalajara and spent 2 weeks there, then went to Puerto Vallarta and spent 2 weeks there, then on to Mexico City and spent a week there, then spent a night in Oaxaca but decided I wanted to come home. It was my first time traveling, I was alone, and wasn't doing anything structured like a language school or volunteering.

    This summer, I want to go either back to Mexico, or to Argentina. Whichever one I choose, I want to do a language school there. I want to see Tulum, Cancun, Playa del Carmen, and the general Caribbean side of Mexico, but also want to see Argentina. I've heard culture is much different in Argentina, that it's a more developed country and that Buenos Aires is the 'Europe' of Latin America.

    I've been independently learning Spanish for about two years now, and of course my travel to Mexico helped it immensely. There are good language schools in both countries but I know for sure there is one in Buenos Aires. I feel like I could spend a month in Buenos Aires and not get bored, especially since I'd be making friends in school and such. I dunno if I could do the same in somewhere like Cancun, which is very touristy.

    What would y'all recommend me do? Both destinations are within my budget.
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:19 AM GMT
    I love Buenos Aires, one of my favorite cities in the world so had like you considered it to study Spanish. I would not recommend it however since they speak a very distinct dialect that is closer to Italian than what you would encounter in most other Spanish speaking countries.

    There are good Spanish immersion schools in Cuernavaca, San Miguel de Allende and several other cities in Mexico. Probably better choices.
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:26 AM GMT
    Both have rich cultures, but yes Buenos Aires is basically the most European city in South America. That's due to its unique and fascinating history. That aside, if you actually want to travel in other Spanish-speaking countries and use the Spanish that you will learn then I'd say México every day of the week. Argentine Spanish is cagada...
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:26 AM GMT
    psblond saidI love Buenos Aires, one of my favorite cities in the world so had like you considered it to study Spanish. I would not recommend it however since they speak a very distinct dialect that is closer to Italian than what you would encounter in most other Spanish speaking countries.

    There are good Spanish immersion schools in Cuernavaca, San Miguel de Allende and several other cities in Mexico. Probably better choices.



    Hey there. I don't think Argentinian Spanish is that different from the Spanish I would learn in Mexico. I realize their pronunciation can be different with some phonemes such as 'll' and 'z', and they have their own slang, but all countries have their unique slang words. I also know another major difference is their use of "sos" and "vos", which isn't used in Mexican Spanish, or most dialects. But these are minor.

    I met a German girl in Mexico City who had learned Spanish in Córdoba, Argentina and I understood everything she said when she spoke in Spanish after I got over the initial differences between our pronunciations.

    In short, I don't think the dialect would be so different that my current Spanish level would help me less there than in Mexico. I thank you for your post, but I guess I should have specified I was looking for more suggestions regarding if my time should be spent further exploring Mexico, or seeing Argentina? I want to know if people think Buenos Aires might leave me amazed like Mexico did, if it'd be a good cultural experience, what the gay scene is like, etc.
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:35 AM GMT
    If you can accept the language/dialect differences then definitely go to Argentina. The men are gorgeous!

    Culturally I would prefer Argentina too. Both countries, surprisingly are pretty open and accepting of gays, at least in major cities. Buenos Aires IS nicer than Mexico City and the whole country is nice. Can also hop across Rio de la Plata to Uruguay which is even more progressive. Punta del Este is neat community and relatively inexpensive too!
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    psblond saidIf you can accept the language/dialect differences then definitely go to Argentina. The men are gorgeous!

    Culturally I would prefer Argentina too. Both countries, surprisingly are pretty open and accepting of gays, at least in major cities. Buenos Aires IS nicer than Mexico City and the whole country is nice. Can also hop across Rio de la Plata to Uruguay which is even more progressive. Punta del Este is neat community and relatively inexpensive too!


    I didn't face any discrimination issues in Mexico, but I am not very outwardly gay and was in major cities obviously. I did go to Ixtlan del Río with a friend I met for a day when I was staying in Guadalajara, but we didn't socialize much because we were hanging out with his cousin who lived there. I was shocked by the sheer amount of gay people in all the cities I visited. I am from a small town in Oklahoma and the closest guys are about 50 miles away. When I landed in GDL and saw guys less than 300 ft away all over my grid, it was such a cultural shock.

    juvenescences saidBoth have rich cultures, but yes Buenos Aires is basically the most European city in South America. That's due to its unique and fascinating history. That aside, if you actually want to travel in other Spanish-speaking countries and use the Spanish that you will learn then I'd say México every day of the week. Argentine Spanish is cagada...


    I'm confused.. your profile says you speak Spanish fluently but you're implying Argentinians couldn't go to other countries and use their Spanish? I think that is a bit exaggerated.
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:43 AM GMT
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    psblond saidI love Buenos Aires, one of my favorite cities in the world so had like you considered it to study Spanish. I would not recommend it however since they speak a very distinct dialect that is closer to Italian than what you would encounter in most other Spanish speaking countries.

    There are good Spanish immersion schools in Cuernavaca, San Miguel de Allende and several other cities in Mexico. Probably better choices.



    Hey there. I don't think Argentinian Spanish is that different from the Spanish I would learn in Mexico. I realize their pronunciation can be different with some phonemes such as 'll' and 'z', and they have their own slang, but all countries have their unique slang words. I also know another major difference is their use of "sos" and "vos", which isn't used in Mexican Spanish, or most dialects. But these are minor.

    I met a German girl in Mexico City who had learned Spanish in Córdoba, Argentina and I understood everything she said when she spoke in Spanish after I got over the initial differences between our pronunciations.

    In short, I don't think the dialect would be so different that my current Spanish level would help me less there than in Mexico. I thank you for your post, but I guess I should have specified I was looking for more suggestions regarding if my time should be spent further exploring Mexico, or seeing Argentina? I want to know if people think Buenos Aires might leave me amazed like Mexico did, if it'd be a good cultural experience, what the gay scene is like, etc.

    It's possible that the German girl was taught a more 'standard' version of Spanish in Córdoba, much like we are taught European French in Canada due to the fact that Québecois French is not well understood outside of our country. Argentine Spanish takes a bit of getting used to for sure. The yeísmo and voseo have already been mentioned, but some Argentines also drop the final r in infinitive verbs and the final s in most words when speaking (in a similar manner to español caribeño). Of all those features, the most difficult to unlearn when traveling elsewhere is by far the use of vos. Not only is it not standard in Spanish, the conjugation for vos changes in each country...better just to stick to ustedes and accept that the people in the Southern Cone will know you didn't learn Spanish there.
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:45 AM GMT
    elektrisk564 said
    I'm confused.. your profile says you speak Spanish fluently but you're implying Argentinians couldn't go to other countries and use their Spanish? I think that is a bit exaggerated.

    Of course Argentines can travel abroad and use their Spanish...they just won't be understood as well unless they modify their language to what's considered more standard (according to the RAE)
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    Sep 08, 2013 5:46 AM GMT
    Oh, I hadn't planned on starting to use 'vos' / 'sos'. I currently use 'ustedes' for the 2nd person plural and wouldn't switch even if I were going to Spain. Just like a person doesn't have to say 'y'all' when they come to Oklahoma, I wouldn't expect Argentinians expect foreigners to speak THEIR dialect of Spanish. I would think the school I'd attend to be a bit overzealous if they told me I was wrong for not using 'vos'.
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    Sep 08, 2013 6:11 AM GMT
    look at you gadding all about. Judge judy said get a job.icon_lol.gif

    I say stand back Buenos Aires hit Argentinaicon_idea.gif. Many were Italian and far better looking for than the majority of people in Mexico.
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    Sep 08, 2013 6:59 AM GMT
    Buenos Aires looks amazing but Mexican Spanish sounds more like the Spanish spoken in other Spanish-speaking countries,
    @mikemikemike we (Mexicans) are hot as well
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    Sep 08, 2013 7:02 AM GMT
    Wink saidBuenos Aires looks amazing but Mexican Spanish sounds more like the Spanish spoken in other Spanish-speaking countries,
    @mikemikemike we (Mexicans) are hot as well


    I met a LOT of attractive Mexicans, had the best sex of my life with one in Guadalajara, but there were a lot of real ugly ones too. Let's be real, there's beautiful and unattractive guys in every city/country.
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    Sep 08, 2013 9:11 AM GMT
    Argentina all the way, but this opinion migh be impartial because im uruguayan (kind of the same than argentinians but better).
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    Sep 08, 2013 9:43 AM GMT
    Come to Spain :p
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:25 AM GMT
    I lived in Argentina for 4 years in Buenos Aires! I find it the sexiest Spanish dialect followed by Colombian
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    Sep 08, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
    juvenescences saidBoth have rich cultures, but yes Buenos Aires is basically the most European city in South America. That's due to its unique and fascinating history. That aside, if you actually want to travel in other Spanish-speaking countries and use the Spanish that you will learn then I'd say México every day of the week. Argentine Spanish is cagada...



    "Cagad"? You must have a VERY poor taste for the Spanish language.

    Elektrisk, ignore what he said. Argentina is full of culture. Completely different from the Mexican culture. From their spanish (castellano is what they call it there, it is closer to the proper Spanish), food(asados), weather, culture, people, views, acceptance, etc.. You are right about the European style architecture - it is everywhere! The countryside is beautiful! The famous "gauchos". Bariloches, is a must, if you go to Argentina! Also, Argentineans don't have a "filter", when it comes to social issues.
    You'll probably will get to try "el mate" from some Argentinean at some cafe or "boliche".
    I would also recommend you to go over the bridge to the other side, to Uruguay, stop by Montevideo and or Puta del Este. Montevideo is full of old spanish architecture, it's called the "little Havana of latin America". Punta del Este is just beautiful! Forget Cancun! Puta del Este is gorgeous! South Americans call it "the losten jewel". Plus you can get married in Uruguay lol

    Uruguay and Argentina share the same culture. They are sister nations. But are very much divided when it comes to soccer!


    P.s. I just came back from a trip from Brazil. I was in Argentina and Uruguay 8 months ago, when the weather was warmer. You'll love it there!
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:24 PM GMT
    i have some many friends from argentina... Rosario, Santa fe also Tucuman, La boca in BS, cordoba, la plata, misiones, bariloche, che boludo lol

    They are a nice ppl!

    i prefer Argentina always!
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:28 PM GMT
    my neighbor is from argentina icon_biggrin.gif from Rosario icon_biggrin.gif so he's rosarino icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 08, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    David3000 saidArgentina all the way, but this opinion migh be impartial because im uruguayan (kind of the same than argentinians but better).


    I have a friend from Urugay his name is Sebastian alias Shisho and another friend and his name's Facundo alias Facu icon_razz.gif

    I really love these countries, i visited La Boca, BS !

    I'm from Venezuela but i'm living in USA icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 09, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    Rioplatense es un acento muy precioso. Buenos Aires es una ciudad increible! Estaba en Buenos Aires para cinco semanas en abril, mayo, y junio. Voy a volver en enero.
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    Sep 09, 2013 3:06 AM GMT
    Yeah my accent is rioplatense (only Uruguay and Argentina have it) but ussually its hard to understand for english speakers who learnt "catellano" spanish. Specially because we use other words like 'vos' instead of 'tu', or pronounce SH instead of Y and use different verb terminations.
    PS: your spanish is very good (unless you usd Google translate haha)
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    Sep 09, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    Argentina is beautiful. Its also much safer if youre traveling alone. Just because youre traveling there doesnt mean your Spanish needs to change, just like your English doesnt need to change either when you travel to the UK. If they dont get it, either slow it down or spell it out for them.


    note: rarely anyone learns Spanish as a second language using the whole "vos" or "vosotros". It is just a type of grammar that isnt used anywhere in the spanish speaking world besides a couple of countries.
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    Sep 09, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
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    juvenescences saidBoth have rich cultures, but yes Buenos Aires is basically the most European city in South America. That's due to its unique and fascinating history. That aside, if you actually want to travel in other Spanish-speaking countries and use the Spanish that you will learn then I'd say México every day of the week. Argentine Spanish is cagada...



    "Cagad"? You must have a VERY poor taste for the Spanish language.

    Elektrisk, ignore what he said. Argentina is full of culture. Completely different from the Mexican culture. From their spanish (castellano is what they call it there, it is closer to the proper Spanish), food(asados), weather, culture, people, views, acceptance, etc.. You are right about the European style architecture - it is everywhere! The countryside is beautiful! The famous "gauchos". Bariloches, is a must, if you go to Argentina! Also, Argentineans don't have a "filter", when it comes to social issues.
    You'll probably will get to try "el mate" from some Argentinean at some cafe or "boliche".
    I would also recommend you to go over the bridge to the other side, to Uruguay, stop by Montevideo and or Puta del Este. Montevideo is full of old spanish architecture, it's called the "little Havana of latin America". Punta del Este is just beautiful! Forget Cancun! Puta del Este is gorgeous! South Americans call it "the losten jewel". Plus you can get married in Uruguay lol

    Uruguay and Argentina share the same culture. They are sister nations. But are very much divided when it comes to soccer!


    P.s. I just came back from a trip from Brazil. I was in Argentina and Uruguay 8 months ago, when the weather was warmer. You'll love it there!

    Someone's butt hurt...I never said I didn't like the sound of it, I said it was fucked and in another post explained why with respect to linguistic phenomena. I quite frequently commit yeísmo because one of my first profs was from Buenos Aires. Read again where I said Argentina has a unique and fascinating history, and you'll see that I agree with you in less words re: culture. I apologize if you are offended by the fact that Mexican Spanish is easier to understand than Argentine Spanish (even though Mexican Spanish has its own odd features too)...
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    juvenescences saidBoth have rich cultures, but yes Buenos Aires is basically the most European city in South America. That's due to its unique and fascinating history. That aside, if you actually want to travel in other Spanish-speaking countries and use the Spanish that you will learn then I'd say México every day of the week. Argentine Spanish is cagada...



    "Cagad"? You must have a VERY poor taste for the Spanish language.

    Elektrisk, ignore what he said. Argentina is full of culture. Completely different from the Mexican culture. From their spanish (castellano is what they call it there, it is closer to the proper Spanish), food(asados), weather, culture, people, views, acceptance, etc.. You are right about the European style architecture - it is everywhere! The countryside is beautiful! The famous "gauchos". Bariloches, is a must, if you go to Argentina! Also, Argentineans don't have a "filter", when it comes to social issues.
    You'll probably will get to try "el mate" from some Argentinean at some cafe or "boliche".
    I would also recommend you to go over the bridge to the other side, to Uruguay, stop by Montevideo and or Puta del Este. Montevideo is full of old spanish architecture, it's called the "little Havana of latin America". Punta del Este is just beautiful! Forget Cancun! Puta del Este is gorgeous! South Americans call it "the losten jewel". Plus you can get married in Uruguay lol

    Uruguay and Argentina share the same culture. They are sister nations. But are very much divided when it comes to soccer!


    P.s. I just came back from a trip from Brazil. I was in Argentina and Uruguay 8 months ago, when the weather was warmer. You'll love it there!

    Someone's butt hurt...I never said I didn't like the sound of it, I said it was fucked and in another post explained why with respect to linguistic phenomena. I quite frequently commit yeísmo because one of my first profs was from Buenos Aires. Read again where I said Argentina has a unique and fascinating history, and you'll see that I agree with you in less words re: culture. I apologize if you are offended by the fact that Mexican Spanish is easier to understand than Argentine Spanish (even though Mexican Spanish has its own odd features too)...



    Mexico is quite a big place, actually I believe it is the biggest Spanish speaking country in the world. The way people speak Spanish in Mexico varies greatly delending on the region, some are much harder to understand than others and in many cases they dont even understand each other. That being said Im a native Spanish speaker from Cuba and I never thought that Spanish from Argentina was hard to understand in any possible way. It sounds funny to me because it is foreign to what Im used to but it is definitely just as easy to understand than the spanish they speak in some parts of Mexico. Now for someone who learns Spanish as a second language it will always be harder to understand that other Spanish version they are just not used to, you already struggle understanding the version you learned first so any other variations will become challenging weather you learn Mexican spanish first or Argentinian Spanish first.
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    Sep 09, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    The only thing that I could say it's that I've spoken Spanish through all my life, and read a lot, I could fairly say that I speak "good" Spanish because I recognize many many bad habits that Hispanics have when speaking.. I also spent around 2 years in a Web Page with mainly people from Argentina, it was a forum so language usage was really implied. In my own opinion, I do not like the dialect they developed, perhaps being a proper school the language would be well taught, but in matters of common speaking I would not go for it, of course the one in Mexico its not perfect either, you would have to go to Spain to get a really good one, just as you would have to go tto England to get a good English. In terms of culture, I don't know Argentina, but I do want to tell you- listen to those who say by experience, not by a magazine or an Internet article.