Masculinity and the Arts

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    Sep 08, 2013 1:46 PM GMT
    Do you think that people sometimes prefer not to disclose their appreciation for the arts on RJ forums for fear of being labelled not masculine enough?
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    Sep 08, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
    I just don't think it's a widely talked about topic to begin with.
    I don't know why, but you never see much discussion about artistry stuff. for some reason, though, i'm willing to bet that being afraid of not being masculine enough is not the reason.
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    Sep 08, 2013 1:51 PM GMT
    A masculine guy is secure enough in himself that he will have no problem saying he enjoys the arts.

  • Amelorn

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    Sep 08, 2013 1:58 PM GMT
    I just bought some 200 opera pieces of iTunes today, so I'll weigh in.

    I don't discuss my patronage (music purchases, theatre attendance) of the fine arts often, unless someone else mentions their own interest first. To most, it comes off as hopelessly pretentious. Most people seem to use "art" exclusively in "artsy fartsy." Once I hear someone utter that, my respect for their opinions & intellect plummets.

    I don't correlate masculinity with patronage of the arts. That said, Anglo culture doesn't generally associate the two.
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    Sep 08, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    willular saidI just don't think it's a widely talked about topic to begin with. I don't know why, but you never see much discussion about artistry stuff.

    True. That's what makes me curious. I think people here are either not into it (fair enough) or they just don't want to talk about it for some reason. I've been called "gay" for being into classical music so many times I can't begin to tell you lol.
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    Sep 08, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
    Amelorn saidTo most, it comes off as hopelessly pretentious.

    Pretentious? That's the biggest irony lol. Classical music can sometimes hit me to the core like rarely anything else. I find it more truthful to human emotions than most aspects of popular culture I can think of lol.

    I used to think it has to do something with age and personal maturity. E.g. my Dad - one of the most "masculine" people I know, very old school, protective, traditional values, head of family type of man - was never really into classical music but was close to tears when I took him to the opera a few months ago. In return he takes me to ice hockey and football and I love it! ;)
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    Sep 08, 2013 2:38 PM GMT
    WTF art rules, im into music and id never get embarrassed of it
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    Sep 08, 2013 4:23 PM GMT
    I am far from embarrassed. Just wonder if there are more guys here who are into the arts but don't speak out because they think it would discredit their masculine image lol ;)
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    Sep 08, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidWe've had numerous threads about classical music.
    We've had some threads about art photography.
    We've had threads about graphic arts and design.
    We've had threads about fine arts---painting, sculpture, etc.

    I'm not sure what you mean. I think you just haven't been here long enough.

    Lol that's true. I've been here on and off for only about 1.5 years now. Will do proper due diligence now... ;)
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    Sep 08, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
    I like the arts. I don't understand the arts, but I can appreciate them.

    I don't think it has any bearing on masculinity.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Sep 09, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    Toscar saidDo you think that people sometimes prefer not to disclose their appreciation for the arts on RJ forums for fear of being labelled not masculine enough?
    LOL what does art has to do with being masculine? i do not think they go together?
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    Sep 09, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    I don't really care what a bunch of guys on the internet think of my masculinity. Yes, I like to lift like a beast in the gym, but I also play the piano, melt listening to Mahler symphonies, can name my favorite mezzo-sorpanos and my favorite Bel Canto operas. I'd much rather see good theater than the latest summer blockbuster most of the time. I've watched modern dance pieces that have made me cry. If that makes me less of a man in someone else's eyes, I'm fine with that. My life is much richer being able to connect with the emotions that art and music brings to it. I wouldn't trade that for anything.
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    Sep 09, 2013 1:34 AM GMT
    I used to be that way but as I get older I realize that you can translate art and power through either gender. I see art and expression as more feminine characteristics, but a true Man can easily express them through a masculine persona and merge the duality together.
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    Sep 09, 2013 1:39 AM GMT
    SF79 saidI don't really care what a bunch of guys on the internet think of my masculinity. Yes, I like to lift like a beast in the gym, but I also play the piano, melt listening to Mahler symphonies, can name my favorite mezzo-sorpanos and my favorite Bel Canto operas. I'd much rather see good theater than the latest summer blockbuster most of the time. I've watched modern dance pieces that have made me cry. If that makes me less of a man in someone else's eyes, I'm fine with that. My life is much richer being able to connect with the emotions that art and music brings to it. I wouldn't trade that for anything.


    You, me, Mahler 9 at Davies Symphony Hall on 9/18 or 9/19? :-P
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    Sep 09, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    It's my bread and butter-- live, eat, breath, dream ART. I am secure about my love for the arts.
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    Sep 09, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    CFL_Oakland said
    SF79 saidI don't really care what a bunch of guys on the internet think of my masculinity. Yes, I like to lift like a beast in the gym, but I also play the piano, melt listening to Mahler symphonies, can name my favorite mezzo-sorpanos and my favorite Bel Canto operas. I'd much rather see good theater than the latest summer blockbuster most of the time. I've watched modern dance pieces that have made me cry. If that makes me less of a man in someone else's eyes, I'm fine with that. My life is much richer being able to connect with the emotions that art and music brings to it. I wouldn't trade that for anything.


    You, me, Mahler 9 at Davies Symphony Hall on 9/18 or 9/19? :-P


    I wish, bud! I train clients on weeknights, so I can't get away. I love the 9th, but 5 and 6 are my favorites.
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    Sep 09, 2013 2:45 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidWe've had numerous threads about classical music.
    We've had some threads about art photography.
    We've had threads about graphic arts and design.
    We've had threads about fine arts---painting, sculpture, etc.

    I'm not sure what you mean. I think you just haven't been here long enough.


    Could it be "appreciation of porn"? Is it "art"? If "balls touch" is it masculine?
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    Sep 09, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
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    Aristoshark saidWe've had numerous threads about classical music.
    We've had some threads about art photography.
    We've had threads about graphic arts and design.
    We've had threads about fine arts---painting, sculpture, etc.

    I'm not sure what you mean. I think you just haven't been here long enough.


    Could it be "appreciation of porn"? Is it "art"? If "balls touch" is it masculine?


    I've seen some "art porn." It was disturbing. There's nothing artful about most porn.
  • starboard5

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    Sep 09, 2013 3:31 AM GMT
    Most any educated man, gay or straight, will have some appreciation for the arts.
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    Sep 09, 2013 5:17 AM GMT
    I have a great appreciation for art and artistic execution. I find it in concert halls, museums, parks, automobiles, architecture, and a whole lot of other places. I think it comes with an appreciation of one's surroundings. Nothing like a guy who looks good and can appreciate things aside from his own form.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Sep 09, 2013 5:40 AM GMT
    Isn't the arts a straight aristocrat thing
  • thatirishbast...

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    Sep 09, 2013 5:49 AM GMT
    Yes, I never show my appreciation for the arts here, which is why no one is aware that I'm a dancer.

    No one.
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    Sep 09, 2013 6:30 AM GMT
    Toscar said
    willular saidI just don't think it's a widely talked about topic to begin with. I don't know why, but you never see much discussion about artistry stuff.

    True. That's what makes me curious. I think people here are either not into it (fair enough) or they just don't want to talk about it for some reason. I've been called "gay" for being into classical music so many times I can't begin to tell you lol.


    Yep, must be a connection. Came out at 16 and also had my first summer season tickets to the Cleveland Orchestra at Blossom with George Szell the first season and Lorin Maazel the second or third season I was going up there.
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    Sep 09, 2013 6:32 AM GMT
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    CFL_Oakland said
    SF79 saidI don't really care what a bunch of guys on the internet think of my masculinity. Yes, I like to lift like a beast in the gym, but I also play the piano, melt listening to Mahler symphonies, can name my favorite mezzo-sorpanos and my favorite Bel Canto operas. I'd much rather see good theater than the latest summer blockbuster most of the time. I've watched modern dance pieces that have made me cry. If that makes me less of a man in someone else's eyes, I'm fine with that. My life is much richer being able to connect with the emotions that art and music brings to it. I wouldn't trade that for anything.


    You, me, Mahler 9 at Davies Symphony Hall on 9/18 or 9/19? :-P

    I know the 9th is the most famous one but it's the 6th that gets me every time, especially that haunting 2nd movement.


    Agree. The 6th.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Sep 09, 2013 6:46 AM GMT
    thatirishbastard saidYes, I never show my appreciation for the arts here, which is why no one is aware that I'm a dancer.

    No one.

    I'm thinking krumping has yet to make it into, what would be consider 'the arts'