Remembering 9/11

  • Hothouse

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    Sep 11, 2013 12:54 PM GMT
    12 years ago today.

    I can remember exactly where I was and what I was doing. I can also remember the nation before and after the attack.
    Hopefully we will never forget, and continue to remember those who perished in this defining moment in our history.
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    Sep 11, 2013 1:10 PM GMT
    The sad part is that it still remained a conspiracy.
    Not one particular motive was truly identified or unanimously accepted by everyone, several loopholes, several unanswered questions, several misleading incidents...

    And a lot of skepticism is still going on.
    Perhaps it'll remain to be a mystery like Kennedy's assassination, Merilyn Monroe's death, etc..

    Who is the mastermind behind it? Is it really Osama Bin Laden? Who is protecting whom? who's the real enemy?
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    Sep 11, 2013 1:42 PM GMT
    I will never forget it. Still sends chills down my spine
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    Sep 11, 2013 1:44 PM GMT
    There's no forgetting. But the sad part is that a lot of the commentary about changing as a country didn't carry weight for even a month. People in every medium from interpersonal conversations on up were vowing to be kind(er) to each other, switch off trash TV, etc. Didn't quite turn out that way, did it? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I did keep one promise I made, though. American flags were in short supply as folks rushed to "out-patriotic" each other. They were buying big cloth ones to fly outside their homes, smaller versions attached to dowel rods to carry around and wave, decals, you name it. National reaction was at such a fever pitch - all you had to do was walk down the street displaying your flag to draw friendly honks from passing vehicles. Up and down city blocks you'd see decals and even photocopied likenesses in just about every window. I got my own decal to place in one of the windows at the top of my front door, deliberately imitating the entrance to the Bunkers' house on "All In The Family." Twelve years later it's still there.

    The "why" of this is, for a long time before 9/11 I'd grown sick of how right-wingers cloaked their hatreds and jingoism in Old Glory. Although the flag symbolizes our country, those who don't speak for (indeed often speak against) me had claimed ownership. So in my own small way I took that ownership back. icon_smile.gif

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    Sep 11, 2013 1:46 PM GMT
    The world changed completely.

    I will always remember where I was and how the day went. It's impossible to forget.

    My thoughts are with all of those in New York and DC that lost loved ones.
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    Sep 11, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    Hurtling towards the East River and Manhattan on my commuter train I heard a collective gasp, looked up and saw the first tower burning. There was no question in any passenger's mind that it was a terrorist attack; the unspoken question on that solemn ride was whether, trapped on that train making better time than usual, we'd make it to Penn Station before it too was targeted. Leaving the station I walked straight to my office in a new skyscraper in Times Square that may as well have had a bullseye painted on its roof where, unfortunately, I had a spectacular unobstructed view of both the second strike and both towers disintegrating. After booking a hotel room since I knew the city's bridges and tunnels would be closed if not targeted I started making phone calls but lost it when Tower 1 crumbled; the friend I was speaking to at the time told me I sounded like the radio announcer when the Hindenburg went down. Then to commiserate in the company of others I went into the south-facing conference room known as "the fishbowl;" you couldn't quite make out the bodies plunging from the windows but you could see it played out live in closeups on the huge videoconference screen where in most shots the Towers onscreen were identical in scale to those out the windows. Surreal. I'm not a bar person but I walked a few younger colleagues out of the building to a pub to calm them down. Afterwards when it was clear that the trains were running I went back home, trying to offer my hotel room to anyone else who might be stranded, but the hotel, which booked rooms based on occupancy, by then was charging four times the price it had that morning for any names not listed on the original reservation - a comforting jolt of normalcy in an otherwise bleak day. The day after to distract ourselves we took people sailing on Long Island Sound and half the guests sat with their backs to the city the entire time to avoid seeing the smoke plumes. Friends who lived in the World Trade Center vicinity that didn't suffer loss of life still had to deal with months of asbestos cleanup and downed services, but were recompensed somewhat when rather than losing value their property values increased astronomically once their neighborhood became, in their words, "hallowed ground."
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    Sep 11, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
    What happened? Osama bin Laden proved that terrorism works. Spend a little money to train some guys to fly a plane into a building and scare our country to spend five trillion dollars losing our shit overreacting to it, depressing our economy and devolving us into a bunch of shrieking idiots.

    What have we learned? Apparently nothing. We can't possibly spend a dime on education or medical care, because guns! Should we expand Medicare or fix the VA? No, take off your shoes! We're all going to die!

    I don't think for a minute that our government had anything to do with the attacks on September 11, 2001. But plenty of connected people have wasted no time in capitalizing on it.
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    Sep 11, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidWhat happened? Osama bin Laden proved that terrorism works. Spend a little money to train some guys to fly a plane into a building and scare our country to spend five trillion dollars losing our shit overreacting to it, depressing our economy and devolving us into a bunch of shrieking idiots.

    What have we learned? Apparently nothing. We can't possibly spend a dime on education or medical care, because guns! Should we expand Medicare or fix the VA? No, take off your shoes! We're all going to die!

    I don't think for a minute that our government had anything to do with the attacks on September 11, 2001. But plenty of connected people have wasted no time in capitalizing on it.


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    Sep 11, 2013 4:55 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidWhat happened? Osama bin Laden proved that terrorism works. Spend a little money to train some guys to fly a plane into a building and scare our country to spend five trillion dollars losing our shit overreacting to it, depressing our economy and devolving us into a bunch of shrieking idiots.

    What have we learned? Apparently nothing. We can't possibly spend a dime on education or medical care, because guns! Should we expand Medicare or fix the VA? No, take off your shoes! We're all going to die!

    I don't think for a minute that our government had anything to do with the attacks on September 11, 2001. But plenty of connected people have wasted no time in capitalizing on it.


    Well said..
  • MikeW

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    Sep 11, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    gta5iscomingin7days said... i think the government did it. ... bush and them had more of a reason to do something like that. ...

    You need to sharpen your thinking about this. "The government" is too broad a term. We can name names. "W" is/was a moron and was put in the office of president for that reason and kept out of the loop during the event. They had him in a remedial reading class room on camera during the event and then kept him flying around, out of DC, until it was over. "W" wasn't directly involved. His dad, though, that is another matter but the "Bushes" are peons compared to the ones who call the shots. The real culprits are the PNAC neo-cons, VP Cheney, Sec Def Rumsfeld, DCIA Tenet, DFBI Frech, and many others, including general Eberhart, who were in positions of authority that day. Rumsfeld and Cheney, especially, had been deeply embedded in COG (continuity of government) protocols since the cold war Regan era. These men are sociopaths not "the government".

    9/11 was what is called "a palace coup," that accomplished several agendas simultaneously. Justifying the super surveillance society was one, and the resource wars in the middle east were another -- and there many others including temporarily stabilizing the US economy.




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    Sep 11, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    mickeytopogigio saidWhat happened? Osama bin Laden proved that terrorism works. Spend a little money to train some guys to fly a plane into a building and scare our country to spend five trillion dollars losing our shit overreacting to it, depressing our economy and devolving us into a bunch of shrieking idiots.

    What have we learned? Apparently nothing. We can't possibly spend a dime on education or medical care, because guns! Should we expand Medicare or fix the VA? No, take off your shoes! We're all going to die!

    I don't think for a minute that our government had anything to do with the attacks on September 11, 2001. But plenty of connected people have wasted no time in capitalizing on it.

    Well said..

    Second the motion.
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    Sep 11, 2013 5:38 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said...the flying glass sent shards into his body right into his heart.
    Dear god. Where to run, what direction.
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    Sep 11, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    Hey guys, this comes to you from Dani and Lizzy, who recently composed and perform this song. I posted it once on another topic, but today they are dedicating it to all those who lost someone they love on 9/11. It's about those that were lost to this tragedy...


    These are two local girls that created this song, endless numbers of hits on FB:

    (lyrics included)




    Here's Dani, I believe, initial recording, so you can see her..

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    Sep 11, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    For my friend Mark Bingham, remembered always:

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    "Do not stand at my grave and weep,
    I am not there; I do not sleep.
    I am a thousand winds that blow,
    I am the diamond glints on snow,
    I am the sunlight on ripened grain,
    I am the gentle autumn rain.
    When you awaken in the morning’s hush
    I am the swift uplifting rush
    Of quiet birds in circled flight.
    I am the soft stars that shine at night.
    Do not stand at my grave and cry,
    I am not there; I did not die." - Mary Elizabeth Frye
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    Sep 11, 2013 9:53 PM GMT
    I decided to work from home that day.

    My office at the time was 6 blocks away from the World Trade Center.

    I stood outside My building on First Avenue and watched the towers fall. I remember actually feeling the impact of the second plane. The sound waves were visceral.

    I remember the survivors walking up First Avenue covered in dust and debris.

    I remember their silence. Complete and utter silence. Still carrying handbags and briefcases. Under 2 inches of toxic dust and silent.
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    Sep 11, 2013 10:09 PM GMT
    I remembered that night when I was watching some tv show and then breaking news, It was this 2 towers were on fire black smoke and I saw again Breaking News! I ran up and hurried my mother down to watch the tv news. She was like panicking like what what happen? She thought something happen in the house.

    Brought her to the tv and she stood there watching. It was actually very clear in memory and when that moment it collapse. I was like icon_eek.gif

    I did ask myself these are not aliens right? cause my favorite movie was Independence Day so those things were running in my head. well it was a horror to watch it go down plain horror.

    It was a tower I've always love looking on ads, movies and all and Its one of my favorite skyscrapers which iconize NY.

    Well in regards to all and those got tied to this tragedy.icon_wink.gif

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    Sep 11, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
    I'm not sure why, but I'm feeling very hurt and sad today....more so than past anniversaries of 9/11. The first few anniversaries were tough, but in time were easier to take. But for some reason, this one has just been awful. Maybe I'm grieving because of the day itself and also grieving because of what I think we've become. I was driving home from work and on NPR they were reading the names of those who died. My bottom lip started quivering and tears ran down my face. Today has been absolutely brutal and I hope tomorrow brings better days.
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    Sep 11, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
    I've never been able to visit ground zero in spite of many visits to NYC. Its just too painful to relive what happened that day.
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    Sep 11, 2013 10:45 PM GMT
    I hate to be so blunt but Aries always are.I find the comments here that the US Government blew up the World Trade Center and killed thousands absolutely disgusting and also a sign of deep mental problems.If I thought my President or my Government intentionally killed 2 of my childhood friends,over 300 NYC Firefighters and thousands of others I would not remain in this country one more day than I had too.There is this small group of wackos who think 99% of Americans are idiots and only they know the REAL truth.It is one thing to question your government it is another to think they murder their own citizens intentionally by the thousands.As one whose family has lived in New York City since before the Civil War let me say God Bless the victims of 9/11/01 and their families today.Ryan.
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    Sep 11, 2013 11:14 PM GMT
    As much as I detest the incompetence of the Republican Bush Administration, and its criminal, wasteful & dishonest wars, based on rigged intelligence, I don't believe they were the authors of the 9/11 attack.

    Rather, they were asleep at the switch, and could have prevented it had they been more vigilant. And then covered for their Saudi oil friends, where the attackers were based, Osama bin Laden himself being a Saudi national getting money from interests in that country.

    The Saudis were carefully omitted fromn our wrath, while Saddam Hussein of Iraq became the bad guy, who wasn't even remotely involved. Along with the Taliban in Afghanistan, who were indeed hosts to bin Laden, but had nothing directly to do with 9/11.

    It was purely a Republican neo-con fantasy, to suit their Middle East imperialist goals. For which we are paying in military lives and resources to this day, 12 years later. icon_sad.gif
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    Sep 11, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    You guys are seriously nuts if you think anything other than terrorism performed that act. Please seek mental help.
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    Sep 11, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    Edward89 saidI will never forget it. Still sends chills down my spine



    I guess Obama has since we are aiding Al Qaeda in Syria.
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    Sep 11, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
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    Edward89 saidI will never forget it. Still sends chills down my spine



    I guess Obama has since we are aiding Al Qaeda in Syria.


    OMG I am just tired of America! I think I am finally sick of your nation and its people, with all the crap like this that I have to read on here.
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    Sep 11, 2013 11:54 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidConspiracy theories are not only delusional, they are insulting to the memories of those who died that day.

    I agree. And I reject 9/11 conspiracy theories. We know what really happened, our focus this day should be on the victims.

    As for my own remembrance, I had just gone through the worst day of my entire life on September 10th. The details would horrify you, but something for another time. I had stayed up until about 4 AM, a total nervous wreck.

    Sometime around 10 AM (Central Time where I was living) my ex-BF woke me up with a phone call.

    "Are you watching the TV?" he screamed. "The Twin Towers are falling! Turn on your TV!"

    WTF??? What are you telling me? I turned on my TV, and saw replays of the first tower collapsing, the second burning. And then saw the second tower collapse as it happened.

    I had seen those buildings being built, I lived within sight of them as a teenager. I had been inside them, ate at "Windows on the World" in the North Tower. This was beyond my comprehension, that such permanent landmarks could fall. And after the previous life-threatening day I had just had, with little sleep that night from agitation, I think I was in going into shock.

    News reports were speculating about other terrorist attacks around the US, including Seattle, my former home. So I got on the phone and called my best friend there, my gay mentor, waking him up at an early Pacific Coast hour.

    I think he thought I was nuts, but I kept repeating: "Turn on your TV! Turn on your TV! See for yourself!" I knew every channel would have it. He finally did, and he simply said: "Oh my God!" Then we hung up, my job done.
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    Sep 12, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
    Can I ask everyone a favor please. Please don't bring Republicans or Democrats or Bush or Obama into this thread. No matter what anyone said 911 was an attack on Americas innocent people. Everyone died in that attack, Republicans, Democrats, Atheists, Muslims, Christians, Straights, Gays, Brothers, Sisters, Fathers, Mothers, ect....ect...

    This should be a thread in remembering and honoring those who died in those attacks and those individuals who sacrificed their own lives to help others.

    This should be a day of us coming together as country...not ripping apart people and blaming it on them.

    We all know someone who died or a person whose family member died in that attack. Lets not make this day any more painful.

    Also if you don't have anything to contribute to the memories of the peoples who died and wants to express your own opinions on America, please do so another day and another thread!

    RIP Americas Innocent!