Seaside Heights boardwalk on fire

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    Sep 12, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
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    this is awful. I was just there two weeks ago. They had rebuilt most of it admirably after Hurricane Sandy. The area where the fire started was near the Funtown Pier which was not rebuilt starting in a Kohrs Ice Cream shop but now spreading to more buildings and now working its way further north. A strong south wind is really hurting right now in trying to contain it. It looks real bad. Hopefully they can stop it before the whole thing goes up.

    These people went through hell last fall and now after rebuilding and trying to make it a go with a so so season this year its just unreal what they are facing now.

    This place is more than just the place where Jersey Shore was filmed. If you ever lived in NJ, this place is part of your childhood, so many memories of days and nights on the beach and boardwalk. Hopefully the firefighters can do their job...JERSEY STRONG.
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    Sep 12, 2013 8:47 PM GMT
    Ouch. What happened? Accidental fire? Arson?
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    Sep 12, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    no idea yet, it could be anything and yeah you always have to think it could be suspicious given the mega losses people went through. Even thought the boardwalk was rebuilt I think business was not all that hot this year and you never know if someone just wanted to grab the money
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    Sep 12, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    I don't think anything should be built with 100m of high tide anyway, except marinas, parks, maybe a boardwalk without buildings
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    Sep 12, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    "Jersey Strong" icon_rolleyes.gif

    such a cliched saying.....stolen of course from Boston.

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    Sep 12, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
    somersault saidI don't think anything should be built with 100m of high tide anyway, except marinas, parks, maybe a boardwalk without buildings


    I would support this. Beaches are at their most beautiful when left unmolested by development.

    The east and west coast of the US is so over-developed along the coastlines, it's a rarity to go to a beach without some massive ugly hotel or condo to look at while trying to enjoy the beach.

    Australia has really nailed it. Very little development along their coasts.

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    gta5iscomingin5days said
    Import said"Jersey Strong" icon_rolleyes.gif

    such a cliched saying.....stolen of course from Boston.



    icon_lol.gif anybody that lives or been in jersey can tell you that it ain't that. north jersey is an extension of new york city and south jersey is an extension of philly. it's also an environmental dump and laboratory playground too where it would be no surprise if the residents were being used as guinea pigs unknowingly. our cities consist of more ghetto than business areas, most people here are assholes (no surprise) and everything one area. the industrial plants, cities, burbs and wildlife reservations are all within a 15 minute drive on the highway at least around where i'm at.

    fuck new jersey.


    lol, you're from new jersey.
    Last Spring I was in Secaucus, NJ for a work event at the meadowlands convention center I think???....anyway the joke was "you can smell Caucus before you can SEcaucus"....
    Place was a dump. It was literally industrial waste plants and these random car-repair shops everywhere. I was hard-pressed to find a starbucks or a good glass of wine. Needless to say I couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there.


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    Sep 12, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    gta5iscomingin5days said
    Import said
    gta5iscomingin5days said
    Import said"Jersey Strong" icon_rolleyes.gif

    such a cliched saying.....stolen of course from Boston.



    icon_lol.gif anybody that lives or been in jersey can tell you that it ain't that. north jersey is an extension of new york city and south jersey is an extension of philly. it's also an environmental dump and laboratory playground too where it would be no surprise if the residents were being used as guinea pigs unknowingly. our cities consist of more ghetto than business areas, most people here are assholes (no surprise) and everything one area. the industrial plants, cities, burbs and wildlife reservations are all within a 15 minute drive on the highway at least around where i'm at.

    fuck new jersey.


    lol, you're from new jersey.
    Last Spring I was in Secaucus, NJ for a work event at the meadowlands convention center I think???....anyway the joke was "you can smell Caucus before you can SEcaucus"....
    Place was a dump. It was literally industrial waste plants and these random car-repair shops everywhere. I was hard-pressed to find a starbucks a good glass of Wine. Needless to say I couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there.





    yes, unfortunately. my parents made the huge mistake of moving over to jersey to get away from nyc which at the time was out of control with the crime and etc. they didn't do their homework and them and their two sons ended up paying for it. icon_mad.gif sheit, delaware or connecticut would have been better.

    yeah, jersey is one of those places that you just stay on the highway and keep driving until you're in new york or pennsylvania where normal civilization is. the quicker, the better. secaucus is a dump literally. shockingly enough, there's people that actually chose to live there despite living right next to factories that have dumped a lot of toxic things in the soil and a polluted river filled with who knows what. that place is creepy as fuck anyways. sad enough, there's way worse than that. edison, rahway, salem, bridgewater, somerset and etc. jersey has the most superfund sites in the country. icon_neutral.gif


    I've been to Cape May, NJ as well at the southern end and that place was actually quite beautiful and nice. A little slow-paced and kinda "mom and pop" ish.....but quaint and cute too. Lots of Victorian homes, etc. It was iight.
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    Sep 12, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    Secaucus is not really representative. Most of the Garden State is beautiful.

    Regarding shoreline construction. I thought more in those lines before global warming. Now I wonder if all bets are off.

    http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/

    Until then the government will rightfully continue to get out of subsidizing shoreline construction.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/banking/premiums-rising-for-national-flood-program-though-florida-pales-in-payouts/2126888

    Florida didn't trigger the financial crisis within the National Flood Insurance Program.

    In fact, over the past 35 years, the state's property owners have helped prop up the program, paying four times more than what they have gotten back in claims.

    The payback for all that financial help: About 270,000 Florida properties could face huge flood insurance rate hikes. That's three times more than the next most-affected state, New Jersey....

    ...In the history of the flood program, Florida property owners have paid $16.1 billion in premiums while collecting just $3.7 billion in claims, according to a 2011 analysis by the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton Center for Risk Management and Decision Processes.

    Contrast that with Louisiana, which paid $4.4 billion in premiums but collected almost four times that in claims, the vast majority tied to Hurricane Katrina.

    Since 1978, Texas ($5.5 billion), New Jersey ($4.8 billion) and New York ($4.4 billion) have also received more payouts than Florida, while paying far less in premiums. And those numbers predate last year's Superstorm Sandy, which caused billions more in flood damage in the Northeast.

    And year after year, Florida ponies up a third of all premiums into the program....
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    Sep 12, 2013 9:51 PM GMT
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    somersault saidI don't think anything should be built with 100m of high tide anyway, except marinas, parks, maybe a boardwalk without buildings


    I would support this. Beaches are at their most beautiful when left unmolested by development.

    The east and west coast of the US is so over-developed along the coastlines, it's a rarity to go to a beach without some massive ugly hotel or condo to look at while trying to enjoy the beach.

    Australia has really nailed it. Very little development along their coasts.



    *snort* Haven't ever been to the west coast, outside of Los Angeles, have you? For one thing, there is no development on the beach, anywhere in Oregon. It's officially all public highway. Half of Washington's coastline is a National Park or Reservation land. And there isn't much on the rest. Northern California is mostly forest and cliffs.

    Somersault - if you mean 100m vertically, that's too much. If you mean horizontally - probably not enough.

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    Sep 12, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
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    Import said
    somersault saidI don't think anything should be built with 100m of high tide anyway, except marinas, parks, maybe a boardwalk without buildings


    I would support this. Beaches are at their most beautiful when left unmolested by development.

    The east and west coast of the US is so over-developed along the coastlines, it's a rarity to go to a beach without some massive ugly hotel or condo to look at while trying to enjoy the beach.

    Australia has really nailed it. Very little development along their coasts.



    *snort* Haven't ever been to the west coast, outside of Los Angeles, have you? For one thing, there is no development on the beach, anywhere in Oregon. It's officially all public highway. Half of Washington's coastline is a National Park or Reservation land. And there isn't much on the rest. Northern California is mostly forest and cliffs.

    Somersault - if you mean 100m vertically, that's too much. If you mean horizontally - probably not enough.



    *snort* i live in San diego....
    obviously, I've been elsewhere other than LA....if I live in san diego, right? *snort*


    And I was more referring to usable beaches. . . Oregon coastlines are no doubt beautiful, but I was referring to beaches used in the traditional sense for swimming and sunning.
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    Sep 12, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
    Don't worry, New Jersey. Chris Christie is on his way to save the day.
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    Sep 12, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
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    Import said
    somersault saidI don't think anything should be built with 100m of high tide anyway, except marinas, parks, maybe a boardwalk without buildings


    I would support this. Beaches are at their most beautiful when left unmolested by development.

    The east and west coast of the US is so over-developed along the coastlines, it's a rarity to go to a beach without some massive ugly hotel or condo to look at while trying to enjoy the beach.

    Australia has really nailed it. Very little development along their coasts.



    *snort* Haven't ever been to the west coast, outside of Los Angeles, have you? For one thing, there is no development on the beach, anywhere in Oregon. It's officially all public highway. Half of Washington's coastline is a National Park or Reservation land. And there isn't much on the rest. Northern California is mostly forest and cliffs.

    Somersault - if you mean 100m vertically, that's too much. If you mean horizontally - probably not enough.



    yeah 100m VERTICALLY lol

    therefore, on the East Coast, no buldings east of Pittsbugh

    West Coast, no buildings west of Vegas (unless you build condos in the Sierra or the Cascades)

    ah hahahahhaahahhaaha
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    Sep 12, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
    That sucks cause they just fixed it.

    Well just rebuild it prettier.
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:00 AM GMT
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    Import said"Jersey Strong" icon_rolleyes.gif

    such a cliched saying.....stolen of course from Boston.



    icon_lol.gif anybody that lives or been in jersey can tell you that it ain't that. north jersey is an extension of new york city and south jersey is an extension of philly. it's also an environmental dump and laboratory playground too where it would be no surprise if the residents were being used as guinea pigs unknowingly. our cities consist of more ghetto than business areas, most people here are assholes (no surprise) and everything one area. the industrial plants, cities, burbs and wildlife reservations are all within a 15 minute drive on the highway at least around where i'm at.

    fuck new jersey.


    lol, you're from new jersey.
    Last Spring I was in Secaucus, NJ for a work event at the meadowlands convention center I think???....anyway the joke was "you can smell Caucus before you can SEcaucus"....
    Place was a dump. It was literally industrial waste plants and these random car-repair shops everywhere. I was hard-pressed to find a starbucks or a good glass of wine. Needless to say I couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there.



    sorry to call you an ahole but you know nothing about NJ and what it is...those who live here laugh at those who think its just a dump, go on thinking that because we don't want you here anyway

    and sorry NJ didn't steal "strong" from Boston..how freakin ignorant are you.
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
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    Import said
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    Import said"Jersey Strong" icon_rolleyes.gif

    such a cliched saying.....stolen of course from Boston.



    icon_lol.gif anybody that lives or been in jersey can tell you that it ain't that. north jersey is an extension of new york city and south jersey is an extension of philly. it's also an environmental dump and laboratory playground too where it would be no surprise if the residents were being used as guinea pigs unknowingly. our cities consist of more ghetto than business areas, most people here are assholes (no surprise) and everything one area. the industrial plants, cities, burbs and wildlife reservations are all within a 15 minute drive on the highway at least around where i'm at.

    fuck new jersey.


    lol, you're from new jersey.
    Last Spring I was in Secaucus, NJ for a work event at the meadowlands convention center I think???....anyway the joke was "you can smell Caucus before you can SEcaucus"....
    Place was a dump. It was literally industrial waste plants and these random car-repair shops everywhere. I was hard-pressed to find a starbucks a good glass of Wine. Needless to say I couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there.





    yes, unfortunately. my parents made the huge mistake of moving over to jersey to get away from nyc which at the time was out of control with the crime and etc. they didn't do their homework and them and their two sons ended up paying for it. icon_mad.gif sheit, delaware or connecticut would have been better.

    yeah, jersey is one of those places that you just stay on the highway and keep driving until you're in new york or pennsylvania where normal civilization is. the quicker, the better. secaucus is a dump literally. shockingly enough, there's people that actually chose to live there despite living right next to factories that have dumped a lot of toxic things in the soil and a polluted river filled with who knows what. that place is creepy as fuck anyways. sad enough, there's way worse than that. edison, rahway, salem, bridgewater, somerset and etc. jersey has the most superfund sites in the country. icon_neutral.gif



    you really are a troll aren't you?
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
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    mindgarden saidvertically, that's too much. If you mean horizontally - probably not enough.



    yeah 100m VERTICALLY lol

    therefore, on the East Coast, no buldings east of Pittsbugh

    West Coast, no buildings west of Vegas (unless you build condos in the Sierra or the Cascades)

    ah hahahahhaahahhaaha


    He's not denying buildings. I thought his little synopsis simply suggested that 30-stories is too tall to be so near the shore whether for reasons of weather or aesthetics and that 300 ft of beachfront could be destroyed in a good storm. And that therefore going up that high being that close is the worst of both worlds. Unless I misread that. I thought it clever.
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:13 AM GMT
    in your dreams
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:20 AM GMT
    Import said"Jersey Strong" icon_rolleyes.gif

    such a cliched saying.....stolen of course from Boston.



    Y'all can have it, it's been done to death here and attached to every town and school name in the entire state almost. icon_rolleyes.gif It sounded like an ad slogan for paper towels to begin with anyways. The only cool iteration is "Strong" beneath the Boston Red Sox "B," 'cause you can either pronounce the "B" to make it "be" or just know what the letter stands for.

    Anybody who wants to surf the Website for The New Yorker can turn up a huge article about hurricanes, beach erosion, etc on the Jersey Shore which was in that mag earlier this summer. It outlines in mad detail all the dizzying $$$ put forth just to put sand back on some beaches. In some locations big artificial dunes had to be constructed so the next major storm wouldn't end up washing half a town away. Crazy waste of money - OUR money.
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    Well, this thread escalated rather quickly.
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:40 AM GMT
    jerseywoof saidno idea yet, it could be anything and yeah you always have to think it could be suspicious given the mega losses people went through. Even thought the boardwalk was rebuilt I think business was not all that hot this year and you never know if someone just wanted to grab the money


    Down about 20%
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:45 AM GMT
    somersault saidI don't think anything should be built with 100m of high tide anyway, except marinas, parks, maybe a boardwalk without buildings


    Problem is it already exists and most of it (like AC Boardwalk) was started in the 1800s before the environmental movement. Now you have a ton of investment "stranded" on the barrier islands. There is not enough public funds to buy the investments. Case closed.
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    Sep 13, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
    From Asbury Park Press (largest daily closest to fire) coverage: Three Kohr's, Maruca's Pizza, Jack & Bills, Carousel Arcade among the buildings badly damaged or destroyed in the fire. The Beachcomber and Sawmill damaged. Twelve firefighters have suffered smoke inhlataion; 400 have battled the blaze. 'It's horrible. Why is God doing this to us again?' asked Connie Hawkins of Ortley Beach.

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    Sep 13, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
    Maruca's has the best pizza...it was so good when I had it a few weeks ago...hopefully they can hold the fire off from Lincoln and save the majority of the boardwalk from harm...6 blocks on fire in Seaside Park and 2 in Seaside Heights. I regret not eating at Kuppers my last visit, the candy shop there was awesome..they had grapefruit gummy bears
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    Sep 13, 2013 3:07 AM GMT
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    lol, you're from new jersey.
    Last Spring I was in Secaucus, NJ for a work event at the meadowlands convention center I think???....anyway the joke was "you can smell Caucus before you can SEcaucus"....
    Place was a dump. It was literally industrial waste plants and these random car-repair shops everywhere. I was hard-pressed to find a starbucks or a good glass of wine. Needless to say I couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there.




    I work in one of the office buildings that surround the convention center. I assume you found the Starbucks that is less than 5 minutes away by foot from the center?