WEALTH INEQUALITY: One Economist Says It'll Only Get Worse

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    Economist Tyler Cowen has some advice for what to do about America's income inequality: Get used to it. In his latest book, Average Is Over, Cowen lays out his prediction for where the U.S. economy is heading, like it or not:

    "I think we'll see a thinning out of the middle class," he tells NPR's Steve Inskeep. "We'll see a lot of individuals rising up to much greater wealth. And we'll also see more individuals clustering in a kind of lower-middle class existence."

    It's a radical change from the America of 40 or 50 years ago. Cowen believes the wealthy will become more numerous, and even more powerful. The elderly will hold on to their benefits ... the young, not so much. Millions of people who might have expected a middle class existence may have to aspire to something else.


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    He says that its easier than ever to become a millionaire. But things will get tougher for those who don't.

    What do you think?

    Is money important to you?

    Who wants to be a millionaire? Or can you can be happy with less income and wealth?
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    Sep 13, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
    I think the exact opposite, Things will get tougher(It's already tough) for those who are and who will be millionaires.

    I think rich people are often most likely to be materialistic, dominating, displaying wealth for pride and for power, etc.
    They can live a happy life only when they are surrounded by similar people. And even if they were surrounded by similar people there always will be constant suspicion on others or fear of losing their wealth. They can be happy, but that happiness needs constant reinforcement from reassuring themselves that all is well,which actually in truth, all is not well.

    Out of fear and prejudice they distant themselves from contacting normal people(By normal I mean the majority of the people in the world who are obviously poor)
    The more farther a rich man lives from a poor man or the more he distances himself from the poor, the more likely he comes to an illusion that Richness or being wealthy is a righteous living, a justifiable and necessary way to live, the only place one can enjoy and live peacefully. It's the only place where he thinks he can find love but spends most of the time in protecting his wealth and destroying his health in that process.
    He commits many crimes in trying to achieve it and lives the life of a criminal. Instead of loving others which is the very essence of human survival, he begins to love his wealth and other materials, In other worlds he'll lose his essence, he'll lose his soul.

    He earns money for the sake of having a secure life and lives most of his life worrying and feeling insecure of his wealth. He struggles and works hard at every possible moment in protecting and increasing his wealth and spends little in love.

    And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.
    If a man is rich, there's always poverty.
    It's very difficult/rare to earn wealth in a complete honest way.

    And finally on his death bed(if he's lucky) he realizes that money isn't everything...he realizes this by how his friends and family treats him or his loved ones so dearly and respects not him but his wealth.

    This cycle continues forever until each and everyone of us realizes this simple truth up to the level of our instincts.
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    http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/headlines/vftt_wolfensohn.html
    Balance of Power Shift Coming Says Wolfensohn, Former World Bank President

    In the next 40 years, a global power shift will see today's leading economic countries drop from having 80% of the world's income to 35%, says John Wolfensohn, former World Bank president. By 2030, two-thirds of people in the world's middle class will be Chinese.
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    Harry7785 said...And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.


    Yup. Any billionaire would gladly give up every dime to regain his health.

    But generally speaking, wealth does equal health. Wealth gives you choices….freedom to change things that give you stress. A nice home, car, club membership, healthy food, insurance and education make it easier to be healthy. Being able to afford an attorney, CPA, private investigator or service help will solve stress inducing problems.

    But once it crosses past a person's physical needs (even if they're decadent), I agree the wealth vs health equation often reverses itself. Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump are perfect examples. They're both morbidly obese and require body guards to go out in public. Their 3rd-4th wives are really just whores. And I'm sure restaurant visits are stressful...wondering if the chef spit phlegm into their soup.
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    Harry7785 said...And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.


    Yup. Any billionaire would gladly give up every dime to regain his health.

    But generally speaking, wealth does equal health. Wealth gives you choices….freedom to change things that give you stress. A nice home, car, club membership, healthy food, insurance and education make it easier to be healthy. Being able to afford an attorney, CPA, private investigator or service help will solve stress inducing problems.

    But once it crosses past a person's physical needs (even if they're decadent), I agree the wealth vs health equation often reverses itself. Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump are perfect examples. They're both morbidly obese and require body guards to go out in public. Their 3rd-4th wives are really just whores. And I'm sure restaurant visits are stressful...wondering if the chef spit phlegm into their soup.


    Yes...That explains a lot,
    surely, Money has its limitations.
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    Harry7785 said...And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.


    Yup. Any billionaire would gladly give up every dime to regain his health.

    But generally speaking, wealth does equal health. Wealth gives you choices….freedom to change things that give you stress. A nice home, car, club membership, healthy food, insurance and education make it easier to be healthy. Being able to afford an attorney, CPA, private investigator or service help will solve stress inducing problems.

    But once it crosses past a person's physical needs (even if they're decadent), I agree the wealth vs health equation often reverses itself. Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump are perfect examples. They're both morbidly obese and require body guards to go out in public. Their 3rd-4th wives are really just whores. And I'm sure restaurant visits are stressful...wondering if the chef spit phlegm into their soup.


    Someone's envious...
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    In the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.
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    Harry7785 saidI think the exact opposite, Things will get tougher(It's already tough) for those who are and who will be millionaires.

    I think rich people are often most likely to be materialistic, dominating, displaying wealth for pride and for power, etc.
    They can live a happy life only when they are surrounded by similar people. And even if they were surrounded by similar people there always will be constant suspicion on others or fear of losing their wealth. They can be happy, but that happiness needs constant reinforcement from reassuring themselves that all is well,which actually in truth, all is not well.

    Out of fear and prejudice they distant themselves from contacting normal people(By normal I mean the majority of the people in the world who are obviously poor)
    The more farther a rich man lives from a poor man or the more he distances himself from the poor, the more likely he comes to an illusion that Richness or being wealthy is a righteous living, a justifiable and necessary way to live, the only place one can enjoy and live peacefully. It's the only place where he thinks he can find love but spends most of the time in protecting his wealth and destroying his health in that process.
    He commits many crimes in trying to achieve it and lives the life of a criminal. Instead of loving others which is the very essence of human survival, he begins to love his wealth and other materials, In other worlds he'll lose his essence, he'll lose his soul.

    He earns money for the sake of having a secure life and lives most of his life worrying and feeling insecure of his wealth. He struggles and works hard at every possible moment in protecting and increasing his wealth and spends little in love.

    And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.
    If a man is rich, there's always poverty.
    It's very difficult/rare to earn wealth in a complete honest way.

    And finally on his death bed(if he's lucky) he realizes that money isn't everything...he realizes this by how his friends and family treats him or his loved ones so dearly and respects not him but his wealth.

    This cycle continues forever until each and everyone of us realizes this simple truth up to the level of our instincts.


    Where in the hell do you people come up with this kind of crazy bullshit from? Nothing could be further from the truth than this crazy comic book idea of what it is to be "wealthy" or a "millionaire".

    "It's difficult?rare to earn wealth in a complete honest way." That's absolutely insulting from someone who has no idea of what he's talking about! Instead of parroting this kind of shit, and crying about what someone else has, why not get the hell out there and make something out of yourself. Maybe you just aren't willing to put in the long hours and hard work to build something of your own from the ground up!

    Maybe you should try your hand at writing novels, what you've presented here is a pretty good fairytale.
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    Blakes7 saidIn the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.

    As usual: inane, hilarious, and 100% wrong.
    And Thomas Sowell is only considered "brilliant" by people who are marinated in right-wing crazy.


    Well, at least Thomas Sowell is employed.
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    Blakes7 saidIn the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.


    How does that solve the inequality issue though.


    We do the best we can to ensure equality of opportunity, with varying degrees of success. It is impossible to ensure equality of outcomes, not matter how well intentioned those in power may or may not be.
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    Blakes7 saidIn the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.

    As usual: inane, hilarious, and 100% wrong.
    And Thomas Sowell is only considered "brilliant" by people who are marinated in right-wing crazy.


    So says the aged communist with no common sense.
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    Aristoshark said
    Blakes7 saidIn the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.

    As usual: inane, hilarious, and 100% wrong.
    And Thomas Sowell is only considered "brilliant" by people who are marinated in right-wing crazy.


    So says the aged communist with no common sense.


    And probably on drugs.
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    failscarf said
    Blakes7 saidIn the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.


    How does that solve the inequality issue though.


    We do the best we can to ensure equality of opportunity, with varying degrees of success. It is impossible to ensure equality of outcomes, not matter how well intentioned those in power may or may not be.


    The above distinction is crucial, and usually ignored by the left wing media, and opportunistic politicians.
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    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp


    Above is a list of free newspaper columns by Thomas Sowell, sorted by date and subject. He's a brilliant economist, who began as a communist in his younger days, and served as a Marine during the Korean War. An author of many books, he still writes and is well into his 80s. Sowell is a black man from humble beginnings. He went to and has taught at prestigious universities. All of this is easily found with a google search.
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    failscarf said
    Blakes7 saidIn the US, people are free to do the best they can. No one can guarantee equal outcomes. Manipulating statistics is long been a trick of the left to increase government control. Someone with no dollars will still have no dollars. Apart from debt, a poor person cannot have less than zero. However, just because a person is poor doesn't mean that he remains poor all his life. Many people move up. Read Thomas Sowell, a brilliant economist professor for many years, he says and understands it far better than I ever could.


    How does that solve the inequality issue though.


    We do the best we can to ensure equality of opportunity, with varying degrees of success. It is impossible to ensure equality of outcomes, not matter how well intentioned those in power may or may not be.


    That last sentence shows you have as much credibility as a bag lady off her meds and talking gibberish.

    No serious person talks about "equality of outcome" ever. I've only heard that used by right wing media types to rile up the gullible blockheads and dummies who follow them....which obviously includes you. (FYI, George H. W. Bush originated calling you all blockheads and dummies. He was right.)




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    Name calling, another trick of the left. Sorry, it doesn't work. Inequality of outcome is exactly what the left provides examples for when screeching about the "rich".
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    Blakes7 saidhttp://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp


    Above is a list of free newspaper columns by Thomas Sowell, sorted by date and subject. He's a brilliant economist, who began as a communist in his younger days, and served as a Marine during the Korean War. An author of many books, he still writes and is well into his 80s. Sowell is a black man from humble beginnings. He went to and has taught at prestigious universities. All of this is easily found with a google search.

    Oh, right. Brilliant. Krugman has a Nobel Prize and yet you'd disagree with everything he says.

    Fail. No one in the mainstream of the country thinks of Sowell as anything but another angry crank, if they think of him at all.



    I dismiss most of the mainstream news media as cheerleaders for the democrat party (just as you dismiss me), so your statement is meaningless to me. And Sowell is not angry in the least, but a certain alter cocker in Boca certainly is.
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    Harry7785:

    I think your post is one to which I can comment. There is no doubt in my mind that globally, income inequality will increase. I think pressures are in place in America to level everyone more towards, though not exclusively, lives of fairly low income and achievement.

    Think about the so-called 1%. That 1% is not 1% of the U.S. population, but 1% of those reporting income to the Internal Revenue Service. That 1% is not a very large number. It's a very mobile group. Move to the 0.1% and you land where I am domiciled. Not in America.

    So far this year through August, my net worth has grown 37%. That net worth is not located in paper sitting in accounts tied to the New York Stock Exchange either.

    Displaying wealth most often come in tow forms: 1) because as someone said, perhaps you in your post, wealth seeks wealth; and 2) in response to public comment in whatever form as to how "bad" those poeple, referring to those who hold wealth, can be. That goes further sometimes to a mode of operation.

    On the day you go to the bank to borrow, drive the Phantom. On the day you are late on meeting a quarterly loan payment, drive the old ragged out 1967 International Scout. ;-) The better alternative is to be the owner of the bank and make no loans but use repo agreements instead to generate cash.

    Happiness for me has come in running the big game that makes all of my life possible. It is not one where one loses wealth. At times, it is honestly where one has no idea what so called wealth they possess. It is not something of pride to be listed in the Forbes 400 because some editor realized you own 20 millions shares of Microsoft.

    I'm jumping around, but as to health, the important thing is to be able to ensure your children do not carry those 21 prime DNA strands that are related to most cancers. One can pass freely from this world with the knowledge that what you are, what you have accomplished in life, has enabled you to bring them into this world less what is scattered through the population. That is success.

    I have walked in Dharavi. What I can say in the face of incredible poverty live an incredible people. Would they want me to riase the piles of rubble they themselves call shacks and build massive apartment buildings? No. Those who want that do not live in Dharavi. I am safe in Dharavi but not other streets in the commercial districts of Mumbai.

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    Certain types of people will always grow poverty. Many live here on RJ in a figurative sense. They always are the authority on conquering poverty. So be it. Allow them through your grace to be correct in their solution to poverty, but live your own life from their reach. icon_lol.gif


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    Harry7785 saidI think the exact opposite, Things will get tougher(It's already tough) for those who are and who will be millionaires.

    I think rich people are often most likely to be materialistic, dominating, displaying wealth for pride and for power, etc.
    They can live a happy life only when they are surrounded by similar people. And even if they were surrounded by similar people there always will be constant suspicion on others or fear of losing their wealth. They can be happy, but that happiness needs constant reinforcement from reassuring themselves that all is well,which actually in truth, all is not well.

    Out of fear and prejudice they distant themselves from contacting normal people(By normal I mean the majority of the people in the world who are obviously poor)
    The more farther a rich man lives from a poor man or the more he distances himself from the poor, the more likely he comes to an illusion that Richness or being wealthy is a righteous living, a justifiable and necessary way to live, the only place one can enjoy and live peacefully. It's the only place where he thinks he can find love but spends most of the time in protecting his wealth and destroying his health in that process.
    He commits many crimes in trying to achieve it and lives the life of a criminal. Instead of loving others which is the very essence of human survival, he begins to love his wealth and other materials, In other worlds he'll lose his essence, he'll lose his soul.

    He earns money for the sake of having a secure life and lives most of his life worrying and feeling insecure of his wealth. He struggles and works hard at every possible moment in protecting and increasing his wealth and spends little in love.

    And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.
    If a man is rich, there's always poverty.
    It's very difficult/rare to earn wealth in a complete honest way.

    And finally on his death bed(if he's lucky) he realizes that money isn't everything...he realizes this by how his friends and family treats him or his loved ones so dearly and respects not him but his wealth.

    This cycle continues forever until each and everyone of us realizes this simple truth up to the level of our instincts.
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    Tangiers said
    Harry7785 said...And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.


    Yup. Any billionaire would gladly give up every dime to regain his health.

    But generally speaking, wealth does equal health. Wealth gives you choices….freedom to change things that give you stress. A nice home, car, club membership, healthy food, insurance and education make it easier to be healthy. Being able to afford an attorney, CPA, private investigator or service help will solve stress inducing problems.

    But once it crosses past a person's physical needs (even if they're decadent), I agree the wealth vs health equation often reverses itself. Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump are perfect examples. They're both morbidly obese and require body guards to go out in public. Their 3rd-4th wives are really just whores. And I'm sure restaurant visits are stressful...wondering if the chef spit phlegm into their soup.


    Yes...That explains a lot,
    surely, Money has its limitations.


    I think the biggest danger is that great wealth can be used to redirect the political system toward the self interests of a very few. For example, here in the US, we had billionaires like Sheldon Aldelson pouring $70 million into Republican presidential candidates.




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    With that kind of money, one person can get a law or policy changed that would benefit them personally, but cost millions of people their health, freedom or even life.

    Conservatives have a different view. They think what one rich man has eventually trickles down. But history has shown this to be false. Instead, when a few extremely wealthy people are given this type of political power, life for most people gets much worse.
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    Tangiers said
    Harry7785 said
    Tangiers said
    Harry7785 said...And the depressing part is that most of the men both rich and poor still believes that wealth is health.


    Yup. Any billionaire would gladly give up every dime to regain his health.

    But generally speaking, wealth does equal health. Wealth gives you choices….freedom to change things that give you stress. A nice home, car, club membership, healthy food, insurance and education make it easier to be healthy. Being able to afford an attorney, CPA, private investigator or service help will solve stress inducing problems.

    But once it crosses past a person's physical needs (even if they're decadent), I agree the wealth vs health equation often reverses itself. Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump are perfect examples. They're both morbidly obese and require body guards to go out in public. Their 3rd-4th wives are really just whores. And I'm sure restaurant visits are stressful...wondering if the chef spit phlegm into their soup.


    Yes...That explains a lot,
    surely, Money has its limitations.


    I think the biggest danger is that great wealth can be used to redirect the political system toward the self interests of a very few. For example, here in the US, we had billionaires like Sheldon Aldelson pouring $70 million into Republican presidential candidates.

    With that kind of money, one person can get a law or policy changed that would benefit them personally, but cost millions of people their health, freedom or even life.

    Conservatives have a different view. They think what one rich man has eventually trickles down. But history has shown this to be false. Instead, when a few extremely wealthy people are given this type of political power, life for most people gets much worse.

    Are you concerned about George Soros's wealth and how he uses it as you are about Sheldon Aldelson and his wealth?


    I favor laws that limit this type of dominant influence, regardless of who is behind it.

    The premise of the book is the future America will see more middle class fall into poverty, but with a few scaling the heights of great wealth. Soros has given a lot of money for educational and health programs for poor people, as has Buffet and Gates. Adelson seems like he's most concerned with a militarized Israel.
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    Isn't George Soros known as "The man who broke the bank of England"? I wonder how that has helped the poor in England.
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    Harry7785 said

    Where in the hell do you people come up with this kind of crazy bullshit from? Nothing could be further from the truth than this crazy comic book idea of what it is to be "wealthy" or a "millionaire".

    "It's difficult?rare to earn wealth in a complete honest way." That's absolutely insulting from someone who has no idea of what he's talking about! Instead of parroting this kind of shit, and crying about what someone else has, why not get the hell out there and make something out of yourself. Maybe you just aren't willing to put in the long hours and hard work to build something of your own from the ground up!

    Maybe you should try your hand at writing novels, what you've presented here is a pretty good fairytale.


    I didn't generalized it, may be I did...
    Can you tell me that anyone who is rich earned in a complete honest way, never lied to his/her customers, never exploited or taken advantage of others weakness especially the workforce, never misled his labor and customers, never caused any ecological damage to earth, cheated others for the benefit of his company or for himself, never participated in any illegal activities?
    Don't say that it's inevitable for a man to lie or to cheat even at the minutest level when he begins to earn some money. If you say that, you're indirectly admitting my view that money makes man to do evil.

    1. Thanks for the advice
    2. It's not bullshit
    3. I never cried, I just pointed it out.
    4. You really don't know about me.
    5. I don't care if someone has a billion dollars as long as those billion dollars(every penny of it) didn't come unethically....by unethically I mean, exploitation of the weak by money, for money, to gain money.
    6. Slavery didn't eradicated from earth, "money is the new form of slavery and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal - that there is no human relation between master and slave." -Tolstoy
    7. That's not a random quote
    8. The work I do may not be for money, but I believe it's something beyond that
    Apologies if If my ideas doesn't agree with yours and it makes you angry.
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    woodsmen saidThe evidence is in from the 2012 election and I think money is a necessary but insufficient condition to win an election. In fact, in another opinion piece in the NYT, April 18, 2013, there is now a growing chasm between the RNC and the business community.


    You hit that one dead on my friend. Game one. And the reason I am an ex-pat. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Harry7785 said

    There are different measures of success, financial wealth being only one. While being wealthy does not mean you're successful, all things considered it's not so bad. If your simplistic view is wealthy people in general commit crimes to get wealthy, then enjoy staying poor. You deserve it.

    I said they commit crimes...it can be intentional or unintentional.(Most often intentional due to greed while ignoring the possible bad outcomes)
    Sure, But being poor or rich will not make a man happy, being content with what he has makes him happy.
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    Blakes7 saidI dismiss most of the mainstream news media as cheerleaders for the democrat party (just as you dismiss me), so your statement is meaningless to me. And Sowell is not angry in the least, but a certain alter cocker in Boca certainly is.

    Stop with the Yiddish already. You're not Jewish and we wouldn't want you. Just because some great-grandparent somewhere was Jewish doesn't make you one. I am not an alte kokker but you are a fat, not very bright reactionary.


    I'm just as much of a Yid as you are. What's the matter, You didn't have an easy fast?? Zinger's ran out of tongue?? Rye seeds got caught under your dentures??